Only 15% of Americans accept evolution.

[Farnhamia]

Whining to combat whining.

I'm used to receiving 100 smacks to my buttocks.

And did ASB get up on the wrong side of the bed? No cause to spoil our fun.

I thought we were done with the, "this thread is stupid and pointless, and everyone is whining, and rehgreoignreioger!" posts.

You wish you were used to that, and if you were, you'd just go, "May I have another dozen, sir?"

And those posts never go away.

[Esternial]

Not if you read the thread.

I read a couple pages, and threads this length tend to repeat.

It's mostly just people bitching.

Then stop bitching about people bitching and let the people discuss.

Now, something to add to the conversation?

[Jedi8246]

There is a difference between a hair dryer and God. Even if you don't believe in the deity.

Yes, hair dryers exist.

And so does God. It's your prerogative to believe otherwise. Frankly it doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the OP's premise.

[Parhe]

How is it an insult to science?

It means you've understood that science is pretty much the only viable means for obtaining truth, yet decided not to apply it all the same.
Creationists don't know any better.
YOU do.

Perhaps we know better...

Science has never debunked the possibility of any higher being, or multiple. As I said before elsewhere, science csn debunk certain aspects of certain religions but thry cannot entirely debunk a higher being. Perhaps it can and will in the future but it cannot as of such yet. Whether one belives evolution happened with any level of influence from a higher being or not should not matter. There is little real objective evidence either way.

[Mavorpen]

You wish you were used to that, and if you were, you'd just go, "May I have another dozen, sir?"

In a British accent of course.

And those posts never go away.

I know. Just silly, wishful dreaming.

[Mavorpen]

And so does God. It's your prerogative to believe otherwise. Frankly it doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the OP's premise.

Actually, it is. You have no evidence for God. Injecting an unfalsifiable and untestable conjecture into the theory changes the theory into something other than the actual Theory of Evolution.

[Jedi8246]

It means you've understood that science is pretty much the only viable means for obtaining truth, yet decided not to apply it all the same.
Creationists don't know any better.
YOU do.

Perhaps we know better...

Science has never debunked the possibility of any higher being, or multiple. As I said before elsewhere, science csn debunk certain aspects of certain religions but thry cannot entirely debunk a higher being. Perhaps it can and will in the future but it cannot as of such yet. Whether one belives evolution happened with any level of influence from a higher being or not should not matter. There is little real objective evidence either way.

Exactly.

[Esternial]

It means you've understood that science is pretty much the only viable means for obtaining truth, yet decided not to apply it all the same.
Creationists don't know any better.
YOU do.

Perhaps we know better...

Science has never debunked the possibility of any higher being, or multiple. As I said before elsewhere, science csn debunk certain aspects of certain religions but thry cannot entirely debunk a higher being. Perhaps it can and will in the future but it cannot as of such yet. Whether one belives evolution happened with any level of influence from a higher being or not should not matter. There is little real objective evidence either way.

I'm already quite satisfied if they accept evolution.

[Farnhamia]

Yes, hair dryers exist.

And so does God. It's your prerogative to believe otherwise. Frankly it doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the OP's premise.

Ah, but I can show that hair dryers exist but you can't show that your god does. While it's true that I can't show that he doesn't, the burden of proof is on you, as your claim is more extraordinary than mine.

[Charellia]

Because evolution is undisputable fact and it is shameful that such a large number of people are either that ignorant or that stubborn that they can't understand that.

It is the "indisputable" part that puts me off. Dispute in scientific matters is what brings scientific progress.

I didn't mean that it is wrong to dispute evolution I just wish that once all criticisms of the theory have been thoroughly and repeatedly disproven people would accept it. I invite anybody with something new to add to the debate to go right ahead and dispute but under our present knowledge evolution is indeed indisputable.

[Jedi8246]

And so does God. It's your prerogative to believe otherwise. Frankly it doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the OP's premise.

Actually, it is. You have no evidence for God. Injecting an unfalsifiable and untestable conjecture into the theory changes the theory into something other than the actual Theory of Evolution.

No it doesn't. Nothing in the Theory of Evolution states that a higher being can't be involved. Putting something into a theory that can't be tested doesn't invalidate. Unless you'd like to say that all the physicists out there testing string theory are not conducting real science.

[Mavorpen]

I'm already quite satisfied if they accept evolution.

As am I. But seeing as this is a discussion forum, I've felt that it's worth it to actually discuss evolution and God.

[Jedi8246]

And so does God. It's your prerogative to believe otherwise. Frankly it doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the OP's premise.

Ah, but I can show that hair dryers exist but you can't show that your god does. While it's true that I can't show that he doesn't, the burden of proof is on you, as your claim is more extraordinary than mine.

That's your opinion. The definition of "fantastic" is opinion based.

[Dyakovo]

Perhaps we know better...

Science has never debunked the possibility of any higher being, or multiple. As I said before elsewhere, science csn debunk certain aspects of certain religions but thry cannot entirely debunk a higher being. Perhaps it can and will in the future but it cannot as of such yet. Whether one belives evolution happened with any level of influence from a higher being or not should not matter. There is little real objective evidence either way.

Exactly.

Wrong. There is zero evidence that any supernatural forces have ever had any effect on evolution.

[Esternial]

Actually, it is. You have no evidence for God. Injecting an unfalsifiable and untestable conjecture into the theory changes the theory into something other than the actual Theory of Evolution.

No it doesn't. Nothing in the Theory of Evolution states that a higher being can't be involved. Putting something into a theory that can't be tested doesn't invalidate. Unless you'd like to say that all the physicists out there testing string theory are not conducting real science.

Sure, but until it's proven to be correct I won't believe in it.

With 'the higher being' it's the other way around.

[Farnhamia]

Ah, but I can show that hair dryers exist but you can't show that your god does. While it's true that I can't show that he doesn't, the burden of proof is on you, as your claim is more extraordinary than mine.

That's your opinion. The definition of "fantastic" is opinion based.

Perhaps, but you have no evidence on your side, so ...

[Allinlia]

your thread title is incredibly misleading, according to the results of the poll, 47% of Americans accept evolution, not 15%

[Enadail]

Actually, it is. You have no evidence for God. Injecting an unfalsifiable and untestable conjecture into the theory changes the theory into something other than the actual Theory of Evolution.

No it doesn't. Nothing in the Theory of Evolution states that a higher being can't be involved. Putting something into a theory that can't be tested doesn't invalidate. Unless you'd like to say that all the physicists out there testing string theory are not conducting real science.

Science requires validation and empiricism. If you interject something that is not empirical, you are undermining the science.

And by the way, string theory is being tested with reality, mainly math. Math is real.

[Mavorpen]

No it doesn't. Nothing in the Theory of Evolution states that a higher being can't be involved.

Which doesn't matter concerning science. You don't change models on a whim because it makes you feel better.

Putting something into a theory that can't be tested doesn't invalidate. Unless you'd like to say that all the physicists out there testing string theory are not conducting real science.

False equivalence, since you CAN conduct tests for string theory.

[Esternial]

I'm already quite satisfied if they accept evolution.

As am I. But seeing as this is a discussion forum, I've felt that it's worth it to actually discuss evolution and God.

*nods* Which is why I still participate, although mainly to understand some people's argumentation.

Which I tend not to.

[Farnhamia]

your thread title is incredibly misleading, according to the results of the poll, 47% of Americans accept evolution, not 15%

What's the point of making a thread if you can't give it a misleading title?

[Laerod]

your thread title is incredibly misleading, according to the results of the poll, 47% of Americans accept evolution, not 15%

That's not accurate. "Accept evolution" could mean anything from accepting that evolution works to some bullshit distinction between "macro" and "micro" evolution. The middle section is so ambiguous the entire poll is meaningless.

[Parhe]

Yes, hair dryers exist.

And so does God. It's your prerogative to believe otherwise. Frankly it doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the OP's premise.

I believe the op made the link originally when he added the tibbit about a theocracy in several decades. Others jumped on it to bring in religion and the belief of a god.

[Jedi8246]

Exactly.

Wrong. There is zero evidence that any supernatural forces have ever had any effect on evolution.

And there is no zero evidence that there hasn't been a God or any other deity involved. We can't know until after death.

No it doesn't. Nothing in the Theory of Evolution states that a higher being can't be involved. Putting something into a theory that can't be tested doesn't invalidate. Unless you'd like to say that all the physicists out there testing string theory are not conducting real science.

Well that's your choice.
Sure, but until it's proven to be correct I won't believe in it.

With 'the higher being' it's the other way around.

[NeuDeutschland]

Evolution has even less evidence. Yes creationalism is based on faith which in my view contributes more to society when the actual teachings are followed through the moral demands it imposes of its followers. It falls apart with corrupt organized religion. However that is another topic. There really is no proof of evolution, there is more proof of events in the bible than evolution. Nothing has ever evolved but de-evolved, in other words it loses dna not gains DNA. Dogs are a good example. They say dogs evolved from a wolf but it did not gain DNA when it changed from a wolf to a dog it lost DNA therefor it de-evolved. There are so many holes in the evolution theory it really has no stronger stance than creationalism. I believe in creationalism because it is my faith but I admit it can not be proven scientifically as most will also admit. Evolutionist try to say science backs up its belief when science has not proven that anything evolves into something else, we only know of things that de-evolved. Slight adaptions may happen but to say something jumped to a different species is really far fetched and their isn't any more evidence to support that than their is that some superior conscious being created us, weather it be God or some other conscious life form.
I personally believe in God but that is my own belief for personal reasons that are not set in science.