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What do you believe in?

Evolution
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Creationism
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Merriwhether
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Postby Merriwhether » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:32 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:Thermodynamics of the second law is broken by evolution.


This ought to be good.


I've never heard a less educated statement in my life, frankly.
And if I did, it would be incomprehensible.
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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:33 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Explain how, or don't bring it up.

Evolution organises the matter itself which is impossible, as the second law of thermodynamics means that matter would be unable to organise itself unless there was an external force applied.

Yes, I have begun using BING translator.

There is an external force applied: the sun.
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The Ehrlich
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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:34 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:Evolution organises the matter itself which is impossible, as the second law of thermodynamics means that matter would be unable to organise itself unless there was an external force applied.

Yes, I have begun using BING translator.

There is an external force applied: the sun.

The Sun is not enough to sustain intelligent life.

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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:34 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Explain how, or don't bring it up.

Evolution organises the matter itself which is impossible, as the second law of thermodynamics means that matter would be unable to organise itself unless there was an external force applied.

Yes, I have begun using BING translator.

No, it does no such thing.
Evolution is caused genetic mutations. Genetic mutations causes changes in indivudal. These changes are both beneficial and not so beneficial. Those with beneficial trait survive and continue to reproduce rest die off. Over time, this creates new species.

Come on man, Nobel prize committee is coming here soon. You will need to do better than that.
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:35 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There is an external force applied: the sun.

The Sun is not enough to sustain intelligent life.

Source.
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The Ehrlich
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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:35 pm

Merriwhether wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
This ought to be good.


I've never heard a less educated statement in my life, frankly.
And if I did, it would be incomprehensible.
This really oughta be good! :lol2:

Call me uneducated when you speak three languages fluently and then English and Icelandic to a decent standard.

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Priory Academy USSR
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:35 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There is an external force applied: the sun.

The Sun is not enough to sustain intelligent life.


There is an example of that, but it would constitute flaming.
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Enadail
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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:36 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Enadail wrote:
He said he'd love to debate the proof of a god, which is likely, which indicates there is proof. Unless you are The Ehrlich posting on a different account, I wasn't asking you for proof, so there's nothing to understand. If you claim to have proof of God, I'd ask you as well. As far as I know, you haven't.

Before I get, I will do a second post, I found the translation for this. Thermodynamics of the second law is broken by evolution. I will do the second part in post 2.


Yaaaaaah, no. That's a gross misunderstanding of both evolution and thermodynamics.

The Ehrlich wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Explain how, or don't bring it up.

Evolution organises the matter itself which is impossible, as the second law of thermodynamics means that matter would be unable to organise itself unless there was an external force applied. Sunlight is not enough for this.

Yes, I have begun using BING translator.


No, evolution does not organize matter in any way, and the second law of thermodynamics does not say that.


This is no longer an translation issue, its just a complete lack of understanding of evolution and thermodynamics.

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Ceannairceach
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:36 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:Evolution organises the matter itself which is impossible, as the second law of thermodynamics means that matter would be unable to organise itself unless there was an external force applied.

Yes, I have begun using BING translator.

No, it does no such thing.
Evolution is caused genetic mutations. Genetic mutations causes changes in indivudal. These changes are both beneficial and not so beneficial. Those with beneficial trait survive and continue to reproduce rest die off. Over time, this creates new species.

Come on man, Nobel prize committee is coming here soon. You will need to do better than that.

Despite the fact that you are Nepali, I still read your posts in a Russian accent doe to the grammar. It seriously offers up some strange images of a swarthy South Asian fellow yelling about how bad Yeltsin was and how vodka should never be on the rocks.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:36 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There is an external force applied: the sun.

The Sun is not enough to sustain intelligent life.

Who said anything about intelligent life, first of all?

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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:38 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Merriwhether wrote:
I've never heard a less educated statement in my life, frankly.
And if I did, it would be incomprehensible.
This really oughta be good! :lol2:

Call me uneducated when you speak three languages fluently and then English and Icelandic to a decent standard.


Being able to speak multiple languages does not make you educated in science. But if it matters, I do speak 3 languages, and a few others sporadically.

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Postby Caninope » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:39 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
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How can you not believe in observable facts?

To paraphrase a theist earlier in the thread "Faith is willfull ignorance".

If you're paraphrasing me, I actually said faith is an argument from ignorance.

Not the same thing, mind you.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:39 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There is an external force applied: the sun.

The Sun is not enough to sustain intelligent life.

So the Earth doesn't have any intelligent life?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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The Ehrlich
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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:40 pm

Enadail wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:Call me uneducated when you speak three languages fluently and then English and Icelandic to a decent standard.


Being able to speak multiple languages does not make you educated in science. But if it matters, I do speak 3 languages, and a few others sporadically.

I was asking Mr. Intelligence over here. I can respect your intelligence. Overall, I am not stupid. I really wish I can speak my mother tongue here, but it's really difficult to debate science you know in unfamiliar terms. My English is also getting worst because I'm tired lol, it's late here.

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:40 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There is an external force applied: the sun.

The Sun is not enough to sustain intelligent life.

Really? Because it hits the Earth with more than enough energy to feed Humanity's electricity demands for a year every minute.
A Human brain only needs 20 Watts of power. A decent single light bulb uses about about 60 Watts.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:42 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Enadail wrote:
Being able to speak multiple languages does not make you educated in science. But if it matters, I do speak 3 languages, and a few others sporadically.

I was asking Mr. Intelligence over here. I can respect your intelligence. Overall, I am not stupid. I really wish I can speak my mother tongue here, but it's really difficult to debate science you know in unfamiliar terms. My English is also getting worst because I'm tired lol, it's late here.

Judging from what you've said so far, you don't know science.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:43 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:The Sun is not enough to sustain intelligent life.

Really? Because it hits the Earth with more than enough energy to feed Humanity's electricity demands for a year every minute.

Electricity is a whole other debate I'll have with you when you've studied Nikolai Tesla and direct and free energy for a year.

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Enadail
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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:43 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Enadail wrote:
Being able to speak multiple languages does not make you educated in science. But if it matters, I do speak 3 languages, and a few others sporadically.

I was asking Mr. Intelligence over here. I can respect your intelligence. Overall, I am not stupid. I really wish I can speak my mother tongue here, but it's really difficult to debate science you know in unfamiliar terms. My English is also getting worst because I'm tired lol, it's late here.


Language has nothing to do with it. I know plenty of Germans, and this is the first time concepts seems to be the issue. I can understand not understanding "peer review", but misapplying evolution and thermodynamics means you don't understand the concepts, regardless of what language they're in.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:43 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Really? Because it hits the Earth with more than enough energy to feed Humanity's electricity demands for a year every minute.

Electricity is a whole other debate I'll have with you when you've studied Nikolai Tesla and direct and free energy for a year.

Tesla, you say?

The "balls" are in my court, now.

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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:44 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Really? Because it hits the Earth with more than enough energy to feed Humanity's electricity demands for a year every minute.

Electricity is a whole other debate I'll have with you when you've studied Nikolai Tesla and direct and free energy for a year.


What? What does that have to do with anything?

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Postby Agymnum » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:44 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Really? Because it hits the Earth with more than enough energy to feed Humanity's electricity demands for a year every minute.

Electricity is a whole other debate I'll have with you when you've studied Nikolai Tesla and direct and free energy for a year.


You're not addressing the fact that the sun has enough radiation, light, and heat energy emanating from it to act as the catalyst for evolution.
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Postby Merriwhether » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:46 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Merriwhether wrote:
I've never heard a less educated statement in my life, frankly.
And if I did, it would be incomprehensible.
This really oughta be good! :lol2:

Call me uneducated when you speak three languages fluently and then English and Icelandic to a decent standard.


I didn't say you were uneducated.
I said your statement was uneducated, because if Evolution violated the Second Law of Thermodynamics, then so would chemical interactions because you'd have to force the individual particles into the structures that would otherwise do so themselves.
There's a difference between insulting your person and your statement. I would never insult a person whom I do not know personally. My apologies if you took it personally. :blush:
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Enadail
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Postby Enadail » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:46 pm

Agymnum wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:Electricity is a whole other debate I'll have with you when you've studied Nikolai Tesla and direct and free energy for a year.


You're not addressing the fact that the sun has enough radiation, light, and heat energy emanating from it to act as the catalyst for evolution.


And its irrelevant anyway. The sun is not the catalyst for evolution. The point is that The Ehrlich claimed evolution is false because of the second law of thermodynamics, which only applies to a closed system, which the earth is not, evidential because of the sun.

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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:46 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:Electricity is a whole other debate I'll have with you when you've studied Nikolai Tesla and direct and free energy for a year.

Tesla, you say?

The "balls" are in my court, now.

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Is this even safe to talk about? I have heard of people being killed by the US government with direct energy weapons, just for studying this science lol. Just saying. But go ahead then.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:47 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:Is this even safe to talk about? I have heard of people being killed by the US government with direct energy weapons, just for studying this science lol. Just saying. But go ahead then.

And now you're being spammish.
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