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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Crolacia wrote:2. That is why it is called FAITH.

In other words, you're wrong.
Crolacia wrote:3. The topic has also nothing to do with you or me accepting evolution. The topic's name is ''Only 15% of Americans accept evolution''.

That title is accurate.
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Postby Maudlnya » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:Guys... relax, attack one by one :p

But seriously I am surprised a flame war hasn't started.

Most of us are civil enough not to go for a cheap ad homimen in a debate. :P

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Funny that.


Crazy shit, ain't it?

Indubitably.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:Guys... relax, attack one by one :p

But seriously I am surprised a flame war hasn't started.

The thing about the liberal crowd on NSG is that we don't often get into flame wars. Certainly we get into fallacious grudge matches once in a while, but we're a rather peaceful people, due to the all-encompassing liberal hivemind.


It's because they put morphine in the download cables.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Manahakatouki wrote:I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...

No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.

:eyebrow: So if someone said "I believe the Earth is flat!", does that mean they're right, because they believe it with all their heart?
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Postby Maudlnya » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:03 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:Guys... relax, attack one by one :p

But seriously I am surprised a flame war hasn't started.

The thing about the liberal crowd on NSG is that we don't often get into flame wars. Certainly we get into fallacious grudge matches once in a while, but we're a rather peaceful people, due to the all-encompassing liberal hivemind.

... Hivemind... I hate that word *blows up*
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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:03 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:The thing about the liberal crowd on NSG is that we don't often get into flame wars. Certainly we get into fallacious grudge matches once in a while, but we're a rather peaceful people, due to the all-encompassing liberal hivemind.


It's because they put morphine in the download cables.

That's how they make us sad about the 2000 election.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:03 pm

Maudlnya wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Most of us are civil enough not to go for a cheap ad homimen in a debate. :P

NSG is literally like cancer... or was it the flu? Oh wait it's alcoholism :p

Addiction, Maud, addiction. It's the biolink I tell you! :P
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Postby National Socialists of America » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:04 pm

Total Military Manpower: 14,033,657

Wehrmacht:
Total: 9,284,396
Active Duty: 780,752
Reserves: 8,503,644

Kriegsmarine:
Total: 3,182,934
Active Duty: 71,679
Reserves: 3,111,255
Total Ships: 473

Luftwaffe:
Total: 1,566,327
Active Duty: 189,062
Reserves: 1,377,265

Oh really? Which "oil" nation has America invaded and conquered lately? You must mean America, which will overtake the Middle East as the world's largest energy producer in 5 years. That America will invade countries?

Pathetic how people actually start to believe their own mindless BS.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:04 pm

National Socialists of America wrote:Relevant


Thanks for the insightful contribution.
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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:04 pm

National Socialists of America wrote:Relevant


Me. I care. Ignorance bothers me.
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Postby Manahakatouki » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:04 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Manahakatouki wrote:I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...

No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.


Of course in many instances this is true. But in this case, they're just being ignorant, and they're not looking it up...
And so it was, that I had never changed.

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Postby Crolacia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:05 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Crolacia wrote:2. That is why it is called FAITH.

In other words, you're wrong.
Crolacia wrote:3. The topic has also nothing to do with you or me accepting evolution. The topic's name is ''Only 15% of Americans accept evolution''.

That title is accurate.

2. In other words, I'm not.
3. Um, no. The title should be ''Do you believe in evoluton?'' or something liek that.


And guys I am also very liberal. It doesn't mean just because I'm a believer that I am not liberal.

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National Socialists of America
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Postby National Socialists of America » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:05 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
National Socialists of America wrote:Relevant


Thanks for the insightful contribution.

You're very welcome.
Total Military Manpower: 14,033,657

Wehrmacht:
Total: 9,284,396
Active Duty: 780,752
Reserves: 8,503,644

Kriegsmarine:
Total: 3,182,934
Active Duty: 71,679
Reserves: 3,111,255
Total Ships: 473

Luftwaffe:
Total: 1,566,327
Active Duty: 189,062
Reserves: 1,377,265

Oh really? Which "oil" nation has America invaded and conquered lately? You must mean America, which will overtake the Middle East as the world's largest energy producer in 5 years. That America will invade countries?

Pathetic how people actually start to believe their own mindless BS.

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:05 pm

National Socialists of America wrote:Relevant

You... You'll go far kid.

Except no. You won't.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:06 pm

Crolacia wrote:2. In other words, I'm not.

So leprechauns cause rainbows?
Crolacia wrote:3. Um, no. The title should be ''Do you believe in evoluton?'' or something liek that. .

Why?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Maudlnya » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:06 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Maudlnya wrote:NSG is literally like cancer... or was it the flu? Oh wait it's alcoholism :p

Addiction, Maud, addiction. It's the biolink I tell you! :P

Argh. I poopy :p
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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:06 pm

Aside from the one article I posted, I really do not know any others in English. There are issues with Evolution, that is for a fact. In fact, in priest's terms these may even be understandable, it's not too complex.

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Postby Maudlnya » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:07 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:Aside from the one article I posted, I really do not know any others in English. There are issues with Evolution, that is for a fact. In fact, in priest's terms these may even be understandable, it's not too complex.

... No.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:08 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:Aside from the one article I posted, I really do not know any others in English. There are issues with Evolution, that is for a fact. In fact, in priest's terms these may even be understandable, it's not too complex.


Could you link to any of the German articles?
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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:08 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:Aside from the one article I posted, I really do not know any others in English. There are issues with Evolution, that is for a fact. In fact, in priest's terms these may even be understandable, it's not too complex.


You could post German ones if you wanted. I can debunk stuff after running it through a translator. It'll be shit English grammar, but I'll happily do it.
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Postby Crolacia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:08 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Crolacia wrote:2. In other words, I'm not.

So leprechauns cause rainbows?
Crolacia wrote:3. Um, no. The title should be ''Do you believe in evoluton?'' or something liek that. .

Why?

2. /
3. Because no one here is debating about how Americans don't accept evolution.

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:10 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Manahakatouki wrote:I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...

No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.

If what they believe is wrong, that's exactly what it means.
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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:10 pm

Manahakatouki wrote:
Crolacia wrote:No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.


Of course in many instances this is true. But in this case, they're just being ignorant, and they're not looking it up...

I will "admit" to being a Catholic person. Is this really bad? Why do I not have the rights to say this without atheists and so on saying that 'you are ignorant' or that 'you are stupid'. It is really not fair, I do not attack your beliefs. Even if I am wrong, there is no need for you to put people down due to what they have belief in.

Sure we can debate, and I'd love to debate the proof of a higher god of some sort, which is quite likely, although it is true that which god cannot be said for. I don't know how to really put this in words, but if there is only one life, surely it's better to respect others' beliefs of a second life and you be right, rather than call them out, and vice-versa?

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:12 pm

Crolacia wrote:3. Because no one here is debating about how Americans don't accept evolution.

Yes we have.
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