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What do you believe in?

Evolution
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Creationism
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Greater Vulpinsula
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Postby Greater Vulpinsula » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:51 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Greater Vulpinsula wrote:Yes, I've already been acquainted with this hive of scum and villainy, thank you very much.

I have once again failed to resist looking at, and then failed to resist posting in, a flamebait thread.

Critical statements by others on my beliefs need be more then insults to warrant an actual discussion.

You are obviously acquainted with this place, being an obvious puppet here to dance on the borders of the rules without your main nation being threatened.

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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:52 pm

Greater Vulpinsula wrote:As I have said before, I hate NSG.


No one's forcing you to stay here. If you wish to leave, you may do so.
Removing the text from people's sigs doesn't make it any less true. I stand with Yalta.

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Maudlnya
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Postby Maudlnya » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:52 pm

Greater Vulpinsula wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You are obviously acquainted with this place, being an obvious puppet here to dance on the borders of the rules without your main nation being threatened.

coughwhatwereyouguyssayingaboutpersonalinsultscough

This is actually (hopefully, anyways) for a new IC main.
As I have said before, I hate NSG.

NSG=Cancer

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The Ehrlich
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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:53 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:I just don't understand some of the more technical terms. I've never heard of a peer-review.


It's where lots of scientists look at a paper someone wrote and agree it's not bullshit.



I think this is what you mean! This was an example my professour showed me at university. It was a previous student (PhD, I think) who did this as his degree was some sort of Evolution science and English dual, I believe.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolutio ... selection/

Please bare in mind, I used ctrl+f from word to find this article, so it appears to have been published several places.
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Postby Greater Vulpinsula » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:54 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
Greater Vulpinsula wrote:As I have said before, I hate NSG.


No one's forcing you to stay here. If you wish to leave, you may do so.


Something I will gladly do when people stop replying to my posts.

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:54 pm

Greater Vulpinsula wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You are obviously acquainted with this place, being an obvious puppet here to dance on the borders of the rules without your main nation being threatened.

coughwhatwereyouguyssayingaboutpersonalinsultscough

This is actually (hopefully, anyways) for a new IC main.
As I have said before, I hate NSG.

I never said anything about personal insults and I never personally insulted you.

And if you don't like it here, go away.
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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:54 pm

Greater Vulpinsula wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
No one's forcing you to stay here. If you wish to leave, you may do so.


Something I will gladly do when people stop replying to my posts.


There's no rule that says you have to reply, you know.

The fact that you're staying her suggests you're either masochist, a liar, or both.
Removing the text from people's sigs doesn't make it any less true. I stand with Yalta.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:55 pm

Greater Vulpinsula wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:No one's forcing you to stay here. If you wish to leave, you may do so.

Something I will gladly do when people stop replying to my posts.

Don't post. Then people won't reply to them. And don't look back.

Now was that so hard?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:56 pm

The Ehrlich wrote:
Tsuntion wrote:
An unbiased source providing objective and valid evidence for your claims, published in a reputable journal or site.

I am unsure if ICR is a valid object of this. I have used it, but I am still having a bit of a hard time understanding. My English is good, but more complicated things confuse me.

http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resou ... evolution/


I'll try and crack the language barrier with what we're asking for.

Wir brauchen ein oder mehr wissenschaftliche Veroeffentlichungen, die begutachtet worden sind.

I hope that goes some way to clearing it up. :p I'm not sure how well "peer-reviewed" translates across into German, which may be where the problem lies.
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Postby Crolacia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:56 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Greater Vulpinsula wrote:Something I will gladly do when people stop replying to my posts.

Don't post. Then people won't reply to them. And don't look back.

Now was that so hard?

:palm: Look, he wants to leave the debate just because for one thing he says, 10 people attack him! Thats how I feel

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Postby Manahakatouki » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:56 pm

I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...
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Postby The Ehrlich » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:57 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Ehrlich wrote:I just don't understand some of the more technical terms. I've never heard of a peer-review.

Well clearly. And I don't suppose you've heard of it in German either. And that is the problem, not the language barrier. It's the scientific illiteracy in either language that is holding you up. If we were all having this conversation in German you'd be just as lost.


No, it's fine. http://translate.google.com/#en/de/peer%20review

I know what a "Begutachtung" is.

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:57 pm

Greater Vulpinsula wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:1: There is nothing logical about faith. 1
2: Not relevant, and actually also not true.
3: The lack of facts supporting your opinions undermines them. 2
4: Not relevant.
3

1. There is nothing logical, by your arguement, about belief in political ideologies either (which also happen to kill more people).
2. Why? Support your statements.
3. Why? Support your statements.

1: Not relevant.
2: Opinions based on faith have, by definition, no facts supporting them.
3: The topic has nothing to do with LGBT rights.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:57 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Don't post. Then people won't reply to them. And don't look back.

Now was that so hard?

:palm: Look, he wants to leave the debate just because for one thing he says, 10 people attack him! Thats how I feel

We're just stating the truth.
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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:57 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Don't post. Then people won't reply to them. And don't look back.

Now was that so hard?

:palm: Look, he wants to leave the debate just because for one thing he says, 10 people attack him! Thats how I feel


He says he wants to leave the debate, but stays here. I don't like being told lies.
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Postby Maudlnya » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:58 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Crolacia wrote: :palm: Look, he wants to leave the debate just because for one thing he says, 10 people attack him! Thats how I feel

We're just stating the truth.

Guys... relax, attack one by one :p

But seriously I am surprised a flame war hasn't started.
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Postby Crolacia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:59 pm

Manahakatouki wrote:I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...

No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.

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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:00 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Manahakatouki wrote:I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...

No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.


If they believe in something that contradicts with evolution, then it does mean they're wrong.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:00 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Manahakatouki wrote:I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...

No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.


In this instance, yes it does, because denying observable fact makes you wrong.
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Postby Ovisterra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:01 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Crolacia wrote:No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.


In this instance, yes it does, because denying observable fact makes you wrong.


Funny that.
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Postby Crolacia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:01 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Greater Vulpinsula wrote: 3

1. There is nothing logical, by your arguement, about belief in political ideologies either (which also happen to kill more people).
2. Why? Support your statements.
3. Why? Support your statements.

1: Not relevant.
2: Opinions based on faith have, by definition, no facts supporting them.
3: The topic has nothing to do with LGBT rights.

1. /
2. That is why it is called FAITH.
3. The topic has also nothing to do with you or me accepting evolution. The topic's name is ''Only 15% of Americans accept evolution''.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:01 pm

Maudlnya wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:We're just stating the truth.

Guys... relax, attack one by one :p

But seriously I am surprised a flame war hasn't started.

Most of us are civil enough not to go for a cheap ad homimen in a debate. :P
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Postby Maudlnya » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:01 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Manahakatouki wrote:I felt rather sad, when talking to a couple of friends, and finding out that only three (out of probably 8 or 9) of us accept evolution, but one of my friends denies that we can have true evidence for it, and that humans don't evolve, just other animals...

This happened yesterday, and I was thinking about what the statistic is...

Either way, I was deeply upset, mainly because they used the same arguments you here constantly (why do we still have monkeys, why haven't we evolved, where is the intermediate fossil evidence etc...) and I know that some of them are pretty smart fellows, but they were just ignorant because they were told to, and they wanted to...

No. Just because they believe in something else, doesnt mean they are wrong.

Uh no.
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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Maudlnya wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:We're just stating the truth.

Guys... relax, attack one by one :p

But seriously I am surprised a flame war hasn't started.

The thing about the liberal crowd on NSG is that we don't often get into flame wars. Certainly we get into fallacious grudge matches once in a while, but we're a rather peaceful people, due to the all-encompassing liberal hivemind.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
In this instance, yes it does, because denying observable fact makes you wrong.


Funny that.


Crazy shit, ain't it?
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