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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:36 am

Neo Art wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:But with all the shit that I don't know I'm not going to get smug about the shit other people don't know that I happen to.


Get off the internet.

Sorry, wait...I know this one...

"Why is everyone stupid but me, an unappreciated genius who hasn't shared my brilliance with the world because those unwashed masses wouldn't know a good thing if I was slapping it against their faces..."

Better?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:37 am

I wouldn't say there is anything that we should expect everyone to know. I suppose knowing how to eat and behave in public are some of the few exceptions.
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Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Neo Art » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:37 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
Get off the internet.

Sorry, wait...I know this one...

"Why is everyone stupid but me, an unappreciated genius who hasn't shared my brilliance with the world because those unwashed masses wouldn't know a good thing if I was slapping it against their faces..."

Better?


It'd be more convincing if you put some fucking pants on.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:38 am

Neo Art wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Sorry, wait...I know this one...

"Why is everyone stupid but me, an unappreciated genius who hasn't shared my brilliance with the world because those unwashed masses wouldn't know a good thing if I was slapping it against their faces..."

Better?


It'd be more convincing if you put some fucking pants on.

You ask too much.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:38 am

Neo Art wrote:It'd be more convincing if you put some fucking pants on.

Pants are for the sheeple who need to conform to feel good about themselves.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:38 am

A friend of mine had one date with a girl in a coffee shop. He told her how he had spent several years as a child in Brazil. "Where's Brazil?" she asked.

The coffee shop had a large map of the world on the wall. He gestured toward it, saying "It's the largest country in South America."

"Which one is South America?"

At this point he was becoming a bit concerned. "It's below North America."

You guessed it. "Which one is North America?"

He gave her one last chance. "The one with the United States in it." No, that didn't help. This is why there was no second date.
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Postby The God-Realm » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:39 am

Neo Art wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:Sadly knowledge isn't common.


Neo Art wrote:Is this another one of those threads where we get to gather around with smug satisfaction and talk about how much smarter and more sophisticated we are than those dirty hoi polloi?



Yup, that it is.

Never said I was smart.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:44 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
Get off the internet.

Sorry, wait...I know this one...

"Why is everyone stupid but me, an unappreciated genius who hasn't shared my brilliance with the world because those unwashed masses wouldn't know a good thing if I was slapping it against their faces..."

Better?

Why can't we just pretend every argument has two equally valid sides and then take the middle path? Why does no one see this?

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Postby Terra Libertas » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:47 am

The idea that capitalism doesn't actually exploit workers seems to be common knowledge. Of course common knowledge isn't reliable... but that's the point I'm making.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:49 am

Laerod wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Sorry, wait...I know this one...

"Why is everyone stupid but me, an unappreciated genius who hasn't shared my brilliance with the world because those unwashed masses wouldn't know a good thing if I was slapping it against their faces..."

Better?

Why can't we just pretend every argument has two equally valid sides and then take the middle path? Why does no one see this?

Only if we can, in the process, insinuate that the advocates of both of the 'sides' are either crazy, stupid, or both.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Laerod » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:51 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why can't we just pretend every argument has two equally valid sides and then take the middle path? Why does no one see this?

Only if we can, in the process, insinuate that the advocates of both of the 'sides' are either crazy, stupid, or both.

Especially for not having seen the simple solution to all of life's problems before I, the internet supergenius, enlightened them.

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Postby Bottle » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:53 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why can't we just pretend every argument has two equally valid sides and then take the middle path? Why does no one see this?

Only if we can, in the process, insinuate that the advocates of both of the 'sides' are either crazy, stupid, or both.

Don't forget "emotional"! Arguments must be conducted like two Vulcans playing chicken, and whoever shows a feeling first loses!
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Postby Falcania » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:54 am

Bottle wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Only if we can, in the process, insinuate that the advocates of both of the 'sides' are either crazy, stupid, or both.

Don't forget "emotional"! Arguments must be conducted like two Vulcans playing chicken, and whoever shows a feeling first loses!


Vulcan chicken is a hell of a sport.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:55 am

Bottle wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Only if we can, in the process, insinuate that the advocates of both of the 'sides' are either crazy, stupid, or both.

Don't forget "emotional"! Arguments must be conducted like two Vulcans playing chicken, and whoever shows a feeling first loses!

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Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Pennswald » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:56 am

Laerod wrote:Why can't we just pretend every argument has two equally valid sides and then take the middle path? Why does no one see this?


Because if you can take the middle path, then there were at least 3 equally valid sides to the argument...

It's like that old joke about Scottish sheep where the mathematician laboriously explains that "there exists in Scotland at least one field which contains at least one sheep which is black on at least one side". Precision is difficult. People tend to generalize--we evolved to see patterns and react to them. As long as erroneous generalizations do not directly affect survival, there is no evolutionary pressure to modify that behavior.

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Postby Nailed to the Perch » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:58 am

Bottle wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Only if we can, in the process, insinuate that the advocates of both of the 'sides' are either crazy, stupid, or both.

Don't forget "emotional"! Arguments must be conducted like two Vulcans playing chicken, and whoever shows a feeling first loses!


I cannot sufficiently express how much I love (and am going to steal) "Vulcan chicken" as a description of that particular internet-argument tactic.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:02 am

Bottle wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Only if we can, in the process, insinuate that the advocates of both of the 'sides' are either crazy, stupid, or both.

Don't forget "emotional"! Arguments must be conducted like two Vulcans playing chicken, and whoever shows a feeling first loses!


Honestly though, why get worked up over an internet debate? I've been on here too long, there's nothing people can say that will make me care anymore.

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Postby Bottle » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:04 am

Khadgar wrote:
Bottle wrote:Don't forget "emotional"! Arguments must be conducted like two Vulcans playing chicken, and whoever shows a feeling first loses!


Honestly though, why get worked up over an internet debate? I've been on here too long, there's nothing people can say that will make me care anymore.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I don't see why "internet debate" would be any different from any other discussion.

People can say things that get a reaction from me, because how my fellow humans think and act will directly impact my life. And I certainly have emotional reactions to a lot of news and current events, so why would I be "less emotional" discussing them via internet than I would be, say, on the phone? I just don't differentiate that much between modes of communication, I guess.
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Postby Multiflow » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:05 am

I realized long ago that I do not need to know a lot of things, but knowing of them was very useful. An example would be gardening, I know what it is, but I do not know how to garden. Knowing that I can always look things up, whether in a book, asking someone, or now the internet, I went more with the, 'can I figure it out?'

I make sure I have the basic tools, to be able to make more tools, to find more information about other things. More of a general purpose approach.

I was trained in electronics, after training my father asked me about Ohm's law, I could not give him the equation. Knowing the definition though, given five minutes and a piece of paper I could reproduce it. In the operational repair, it was not required to 'know' the equation, just follow the flow, and swap the parts. I have since memorized the equation, but that is an example of how some people may know the stuff, but not able to sum it up. I knew the definition of Ohm's law, not the equation.

Recently, I have noticed that few people under the age of 25 have ever heard of the 'Golden Rule'. The one that says, do for others, what you want them to do for you. I would consider that common knowledge, and talking with people who do not know it as this, when explained to them go, "Oh yeah, we do that anyways." So they have the knowledge, but at the same time do not. By packaging a piece of knowledge, by giving it a title, makes it is easier to reference, and teach. Most people want to teach their children this behavior, though which is easier to remember, the name or a vague method? If you have the name you have the definition, easier to remember. If you have just the method, harder to remember, harder to break down what you are actually doing.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:07 am

Bottle wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Honestly though, why get worked up over an internet debate? I've been on here too long, there's nothing people can say that will make me care anymore.

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I don't see why "internet debate" would be any different from any other discussion.

People can say things that get a reaction from me, because how my fellow humans think and act will directly impact my life. And I certainly have emotional reactions to a lot of news and current events, so why would I be "less emotional" discussing them via internet than I would be, say, on the phone? I just don't differentiate that much between modes of communication, I guess.


I might just be jaded. If someone shows up in person talking bullshit I might argue with them, but there's no point to that either. People tend not to change their views evidence be damned. It doesn't matter if I point out the truth, they won't believe it. I prefer to argue online, it's much easier to verify things.

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Postby Neo Art » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:07 am

Laerod wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Sorry, wait...I know this one...

"Why is everyone stupid but me, an unappreciated genius who hasn't shared my brilliance with the world because those unwashed masses wouldn't know a good thing if I was slapping it against their faces..."

Better?

Why can't we just pretend every argument has two equally valid sides and then take the middle path? Why does no one see this?


OK, fine, we'll kill half the jews.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:08 am

Nailed to the Perch wrote:
Bottle wrote:Don't forget "emotional"! Arguments must be conducted like two Vulcans playing chicken, and whoever shows a feeling first loses!


I cannot sufficiently express how much I love...

You had a feeling, 10 yard penalty.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:09 am

Neo Art wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why can't we just pretend every argument has two equally valid sides and then take the middle path? Why does no one see this?


OK, fine, we'll kill half the jews.

That won't do, how do we decide which jews to kill? We'll half kill all of them.
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Postby Neo Art » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Nailed to the Perch wrote:
I cannot sufficiently express how much I love...

You had a feeling, 10 yard penalty.


You made a sports reference? How completely uncultured.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:10 am

Multiflow wrote:I realized long ago that I do not need to know a lot of things, but knowing of them was very useful.

I think this is a great point.

That's what I think schooling should be about, really: giving people a very basic overview of what's out there, and showing them how to access more information when/if they want to learn more. For instance, I think everyone should get a course on how to read a scientific journal article. You don't have to be a scientist, you don't have to specialize in any given field, but you should have a sense for what to look for, how to tell when something is bullshit, and how to filter through all the dense jargon to find the crucial points. That way, if you ever want to read up on any particular field, you know how to get started.

My American History class in high school was useful to me in that kind of way. I don't remember most of the specific facts that we learned, but I absolutely remember all the things I was taught about how to read history, how to examine sources, how to write a document-based essay, and stuff like that. I've applied those skills a ton in my professional life, despite my career having nothing whatsoever to do with history.
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