What is your sexuality? For people who are not closed minded

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yeah, don't worry.

We're all aware Alaje is the only gender-obsessed one-trick pony in this particular part of Equestria.

（￣ー￣）

Maybe you could participate in this discussion DI. You're trans as well, correct? How about you describe to me what it is like?

I have an IRL friend that is either trans or questioning. She's bi, but she talks alot about wanting to be male. And she still refers to herself as a she still so IDK?

Describe to you what it's like?

Shucks, pal, that ain't a good idea. I'm embarrassingly hipster in terms of gender identification and expression. My 'official' self-label when I used to get involved in trans stuff was "butch demiguy", which made even most of them go "huh?". Then I got kicked out of pretty much all the trans spaces I've ever joined for the sin of having a sense of humour. Like I say, not typical.

Imagine there's two tribes. You're told you're definitely 100% part of tribe A, and people tell you the tribes are completely separate and distinct. You don't really feel like you're completely one of other of the tribes, but somehow you identify a lot more with tribe B. On the other hand, many of the behaviours and ways of expression you tend towards are more like those tribe A get up to.

What's it like? Tiring. Annoying when people keep wrongly assigning you and then, if you're willing to risk correcting them, not being understood and having people confuse the sense of identity with the behaviours associated with it and make new unmeetable demands of how you're meant to behave. You have to try and hold your tongue a lot to get by as relatively 'normal', and I'm not exactly an expert at subtle or tactful. This has much to do with why I'm quite an introverted and cynical person. I hold a lot of myself back from people and engage in minimal social interaction unless I can observe and study a person for an extended period of time and confirm them as safe to get to know properly. People can't try to take my inner world away from me unless I let them in.

[Zweite Alaje]

If Hollywood movie stars can get new tits, I should be able to, as well.

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like.You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

OK, that has to be one of the most degenerate things I've ever read. That's even worse than transexuality, at least they want to do it for a reason (however illogical), but to be allowed to just cripple yourself for kicks. That's sick.

[Zottistan]

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like.You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

OK, that has to be one of the most degenerate things I've ever read. That's even worse than transexuality, at least they want to do it for a reason (however illogical), but to be allowed to just cripple yourself for kicks. That's sick.

And what's wrong with it? If I want to cripple myself, why not?

[The Emerald Dawn]

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like.You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

OK, that has to be one of the most degenerate things I've ever read. That's even worse than transexuality, at least they want to do it for a reason (however illogical), but to be allowed to just cripple yourself for kicks. That's sick.

Define?

[Olthar]

Maybe you could participate in this discussion DI. You're trans as well, correct? How about you describe to me what it is like?

I have an IRL friend that is either trans or questioning. She's bi, but she talks alot about wanting to be male. And she still refers to herself as a she still so IDK?

Describe to you what it's like?

Shucks, pal, that ain't a good idea. I'm embarrassingly hipster in terms of gender identification and expression. My 'official' self-label when I used to get involved in trans stuff was "butch demiguy", which made even most of them go "huh?". Then I got kicked out of pretty much all the trans spaces I've ever joined for the sin of having a sense of humour. Like I say, not typical.

Imagine there's two tribes. You're told you're definitely 100% part of tribe A, and people tell you the tribes are completely separate and distinct. You don't really feel like you're completely one of other of the tribes, but somehow you identify a lot more with tribe B. On the other hand, many of the behaviours and ways of expression you tend towards are more like those tribe A get up to.

What's it like? Tiring. Annoying when people keep wrongly assigning you and then, if you're willing to risk correcting them, not being understood and having people confuse the sense of identity with the behaviours associated with it and make new unmeetable demands of how you're meant to behave. You have to try and hold your tongue a lot to get by as relatively 'normal', and I'm not exactly an expert at subtle or tactful. This has much to do with why I'm quite an introverted and cynical person. I hold a lot of myself back from people and engage in minimal social interaction unless I can observe and study a person for an extended period of time and confirm them as safe to get to know properly. People can't try to take my inner world away from me unless I let them in.

Don't worry. I'll like you regardless of who you are, if that helps you feel better.

[Neutraligon]

If Hollywood movie stars can get new tits, I should be able to, as well.

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like.You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

There is one exception that I can think of, and that is that it needs to be done "safely."

[Olthar]

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like.You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

There is one exception that I can think of, and that is that it needs to be done "safely."

I don't see how one could possibly remove one's own bones and maintain any measure of "safety" as removing one's bones would be almost instantly lethal.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Describe to you what it's like?

Shucks, pal, that ain't a good idea. I'm embarrassingly hipster in terms of gender identification and expression. My 'official' self-label when I used to get involved in trans stuff was "butch demiguy", which made even most of them go "huh?". Then I got kicked out of pretty much all the trans spaces I've ever joined for the sin of having a sense of humour. Like I say, not typical.

Imagine there's two tribes. You're told you're definitely 100% part of tribe A, and people tell you the tribes are completely separate and distinct. You don't really feel like you're completely one of other of the tribes, but somehow you identify a lot more with tribe B. On the other hand, many of the behaviours and ways of expression you tend towards are more like those tribe A get up to.

What's it like? Tiring. Annoying when people keep wrongly assigning you and then, if you're willing to risk correcting them, not being understood and having people confuse the sense of identity with the behaviours associated with it and make new unmeetable demands of how you're meant to behave. You have to try and hold your tongue a lot to get by as relatively 'normal', and I'm not exactly an expert at subtle or tactful. This has much to do with why I'm quite an introverted and cynical person. I hold a lot of myself back from people and engage in minimal social interaction unless I can observe and study a person for an extended period of time and confirm them as safe to get to know properly. People can't try to take my inner world away from me unless I let them in.

Don't worry. I'll like you regardless of who you are, if that helps you feel better.

Internets is much easier to find decent people than real life. Then again, it could just be that I lay the info straight out on here. Those who don't like ignore me, those who are fine are cool with it. It's a lot riskier in meatspace. I just feel a bit lonely in terms of a lack of real-life friends sometimes. Aside from my partner, I've got maybe one or two friends, three at a stretch. I've learnt to put up a hard front for my own self-protection and lack of practice means I'm more than a little rusty at meeting new people.

[Zottistan]

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like.You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

There is one exception that I can think of, and that is that it needs to be done "safely."

If you consent to it being done unsafely, no harm is done. It's ok for a doctor to use a rusty machete to circumcise me if I consent to it beforehand.

[Neutraligon]

There is one exception that I can think of, and that is that it needs to be done "safely."

I don't see how one could possibly remove one's own bones and maintain any measure of "safety" as removing one's bones would be almost instantly lethal.

I know, I was more responding to the idea that people should be able to do with their bodies what they want. If someone wants to cut off a hand I have no problem with it, but it should be done at a hospital and not be paid for by the public.

[Zweite Alaje]

OK, that has to be one of the most degenerate things I've ever read. That's even worse than transexuality, at least they want to do it for a reason (however illogical), but to be allowed to just cripple yourself for kicks. That's sick.

And what's wrong with it? If I want to cripple myself, why not?

It'd only be remotely acceptable if they were refused disabilty for being idiots. It is stupid and degenerate, what good could possibly come from people being allowed to mutilate themselves?

Maybe you could participate in this discussion DI. You're trans as well, correct? How about you describe to me what it is like?

I have an IRL friend that is either trans or questioning. She's bi, but she talks alot about wanting to be male. And she still refers to herself as a she still so IDK?

Describe to you what it's like?

Shucks, pal, that ain't a good idea. I'm embarrassingly hipster in terms of gender identification and expression. My 'official' self-label when I used to get involved in trans stuff was "butch demiguy", which made even most of them go "huh?". Then I got kicked out of pretty much all the trans spaces I've ever joined for the sin of having a sense of humour. Like I say, not typical.

Imagine there's two tribes. You're told you're definitely 100% part of tribe A, and people tell you the tribes are completely separate and distinct. You don't really feel like you're completely one of other of the tribes, but somehow you identify a lot more with tribe B. On the other hand, many of the behaviours and ways of expression you tend towards are more like those tribe A get up to.

What's it like? Tiring. Annoying when people keep wrongly assigning you and then, if you're willing to risk correcting them, not being understood and having people confuse the sense of identity with the behaviours associated with it and make new unmeetable demands of how you're meant to behave. You have to try and hold your tongue a lot to get by as relatively 'normal', and I'm not exactly an expert at subtle or tactful. This has much to do with why I'm quite an introverted and cynical person. I hold a lot of myself back from people and engage in minimal social interaction unless I can observe and study a person for an extended period of time and confirm them as safe to get to know properly. People can't try to take my inner world away from me unless I let them in.

Ok, I must honestly admit. My anti-transism is wavering after reading this. Believe it or not we have alot of similarities (but your sense of humor bests mine by far). I think I will need to talk with (gulp) Steel Magnolia and Threlizdun as well on their experiences.

[Olthar]

Don't worry. I'll like you regardless of who you are, if that helps you feel better.

Internets is much easier to find decent people than real life. Then again, it could just be that I lay the info straight out on here. Those who don't like ignore me, those who are fine are cool with it. It's a lot riskier in meatspace. I just feel a bit lonely in terms of a lack of real-life friends sometimes. Aside from my partner, I've got maybe one or two friends, three at a stretch. I've learnt to put up a hard front for my own self-protection and lack of practice means I'm more than a little rusty at meeting new people.

I can understand that. I don't think I'd say I even have friends off of the internet. It's just so much easier to find people online who actually like me for me.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ok, I must honestly admit. My anti-transism is wavering after reading this. Believe it or not we have alot of similarities (but your sense of humor bests mine by far). I think it will need to talk with (gulp) Steel Magnolia and Threlizdun as well on their experiences.

I THOUGHT YOU ONLY CARED FOR ME.

;_;

Nah, go for it. They're almost certainly not approaching my calibre though, so defs keep me in mind when you're having those wavers

[Zottistan]

@Alaje (my phone is retarded and I can't quote big posts): Well, of course you couldn't claim disability benifits for it. I'm against those, anyway, but that's a different topic. As for what good could come from it, people are more free from pointless restriction. Always good.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Ok, I must honestly admit. My anti-transism is wavering after reading this. Believe it or not we have alot of similarities (but your sense of humor bests mine by far). I think I will need to talk with (gulp) Steel Magnolia and Threlizdun as well on their experiences.

Ah, I'm not nearly as asinine when someone actually asks, worry not.

Ok, I must honestly admit. My anti-transism is wavering after reading this. Believe it or not we have alot of similarities (but your sense of humor bests mine by far). I think it will need to talk with (gulp) Steel Magnolia and Threlizdun as well on their experiences.

I THOUGHT YOU ONLY CARED FOR ME.

;_;

Nah, go for it. They're almost certainly not approaching my calibre though, so defs keep me in mind when you're having those wavers

Hisses.

[Neutraligon]

Maybe you could participate in this discussion DI. You're trans as well, correct? How about you describe to me what it is like?

I have an IRL friend that is either trans or questioning. She's bi, but she talks alot about wanting to be male. And she still refers to herself as a she still so IDK?

Describe to you what it's like?

Shucks, pal, that ain't a good idea. I'm embarrassingly hipster in terms of gender identification and expression. My 'official' self-label when I used to get involved in trans stuff was "butch demiguy", which made even most of them go "huh?". Then I got kicked out of pretty much all the trans spaces I've ever joined for the sin of having a sense of humour. Like I say, not typical.

Imagine there's two tribes. You're told you're definitely 100% part of tribe A, and people tell you the tribes are completely separate and distinct. You don't really feel like you're completely one of other of the tribes, but somehow you identify a lot more with tribe B. On the other hand, many of the behaviours and ways of expression you tend towards are more like those tribe A get up to.

What's it like? Tiring. Annoying when people keep wrongly assigning you and then, if you're willing to risk correcting them, not being understood and having people confuse the sense of identity with the behaviours associated with it and make new unmeetable demands of how you're meant to behave. You have to try and hold your tongue a lot to get by as relatively 'normal', and I'm not exactly an expert at subtle or tactful. This has much to do with why I'm quite an introverted and cynical person. I hold a lot of myself back from people and engage in minimal social interaction unless I can observe and study a person for an extended period of time and confirm them as safe to get to know properly. People can't try to take my inner world away from me unless I let them in.

I'm adding this to the list of stuff I keep to tell people. It really is a good explanation.

[Seshephe]

Internets is much easier to find decent people than real life. Then again, it could just be that I lay the info straight out on here. Those who don't like ignore me, those who are fine are cool with it. It's a lot riskier in meatspace. I just feel a bit lonely in terms of a lack of real-life friends sometimes. Aside from my partner, I've got maybe one or two friends, three at a stretch. I've learnt to put up a hard front for my own self-protection and lack of practice means I'm more than a little rusty at meeting new people.

I can understand that. I don't think I'd say I even have friends off of the internet. It's just so much easier to find people online who actually like me for me.

Hard to believe, you're such a sweetheart :3

Personally, I believe that deep down most people are quite nice and decent. There are just so many things that can come between people in the real world... People feel so much more secure on the internet, and you have a chance to think through what you are going to say before you say it. It's kind of like the difference between a live tv show and a recored one. It's so easy that someone says something awkward on live tv that wasn't really meant to be offensive but comes out completely wrong...

[Zweite Alaje]

Ok, I must honestly admit. My anti-transism is wavering after reading this. Believe it or not we have alot of similarities (but your sense of humor bests mine by far). I think it will need to talk with (gulp) Steel Magnolia and Threlizdun as well on their experiences.

I THOUGHT YOU ONLY CARED FOR ME.

;_;

Nah, go for it. They're almost certainly not approaching my calibre though, so defs keep me in mind when you're having those wavers

You're still my fav trans DI. You're the only one I have some kind of repoire with here, your sense of humor is charming.

Ok, I must honestly admit. My anti-transism is wavering after reading this. Believe it or not we have alot of similarities (but your sense of humor bests mine by far). I think I will need to talk with (gulp) Steel Magnolia and Threlizdun as well on their experiences.

Ah, I'm not nearly as asinine when someone actually asks, worry not.

I THOUGHT YOU ONLY CARED FOR ME.

;_;

Nah, go for it. They're almost certainly not approaching my calibre though, so defs keep me in mind when you're having those wavers

Hisses.

Ok, I'll probably be asking ALOT of questions. I swear, this is one of the times I hardly recognize myself.

[Olthar]

I can understand that. I don't think I'd say I even have friends off of the internet. It's just so much easier to find people online who actually like me for me.

Hard to believe, you're such a sweetheart :3

Aww, thanks.

Personally, I believe that deep down most people are quite nice and decent. There are just so many things that can come between people in the real world... People feel so much more secure on the internet, and you have a chance to think through what you are going to say before you say it. It's kind of like the difference between a live tv show and a recored one. It's so easy that someone says something awkward on live tv that wasn't really meant to be offensive but comes out completely wrong...

Yeah.

[Mavorpen]

Hard to believe, you're such a sweetheart :3

Aww, thanks.

"And then they fucked. The End."

[The Emerald Dawn]

I can understand that. I don't think I'd say I even have friends off of the internet. It's just so much easier to find people online who actually like me for me.

Hard to believe, you're such a sweetheart :3

Personally, I believe that deep down most people are quite nice and decent. There are just so many things that can come between people in the real world... People feel so much more secure on the internet, and you have a chance to think through what you are going to say before you say it. It's kind of like the difference between a live tv show and a recored one. It's so easy that someone says something awkward on live tv that wasn't really meant to be offensive but comes out completely wrong...

Difference of opinion there. I honestly believe that deep down most people are thinly veiled egotists with mild to large sociopathic tendencies. The only thing keeping them from becoming total monsters is the fact that they fear what others think of them.

[Zweite Alaje]

Aww, thanks.

"And then they fucked. The End."

God damn you and your timing Mav.

[Mavorpen]

"And then they fucked. The End."

God damn you and your timing Mav.

"Many have hypothesized how Mavorpen seems to enter threads at the right time. Some have proposed that he has a detection system that notifies him with an alarm in his room. Some have proposed that it's pure instinct due to years of knowing when to pull out. All we know for sure, is that it remains a mystery."

[The Steel Magnolia]

Ok, I'll probably be asking ALOT of questions. I swear, this is one of the times I hardly recognize myself.

Don't worry about it. Feel free to ask here or TG me, whatever's easiest, and I'll endeavor to answer as best I can :3.

[Free South Califas]

Yes, you are.

Whatever.

That's such a fascist thing to say. No really, you sound exactly like someone from a certain wannabe fascist cesspool I know.

No, it's an honest thing to say. There are seven billion people on this planet, and in all likelyhood, several billion of them are more interesting than you are in any given area of discourse.

I seriously doubt that.

You have an inflated opinion of yourself, and could stand to be knocked down a peg, in that case. There are millions with more or less the exact same ideological views that you have in this world.

If you believe yourself to be so, yes. Gender is an entirely social/psychological construct.

That is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. Ok, maybe I'm not explaining my views as very well. I do recognize there is a masculine/feminine spectrum and that a person can fall anywhere on it. I for example "identify" as male, but appearently I'm sort of androgynous, because in online chatrooms and on the phone people assume I'm female a disturbingly high percentage of the time. However, I don't understand why people think that "acting" masculine or feminine makes you a male or female.

Sorry, I had a long reply to several of your posts typed up, but i accidentally hit "Q" instead of "W" in the key combination and closed my browser. Fat fingers. Here's a very helpful wiki page for now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_performativity
I struck out three words and found that your paranoiac 1950s-era conception of mental health (ETA: at the time of posting) was easily removed from what was otherwise a useful question, if one with a less than entirely satisfying answer. Basically, gender is a combination of identity and performance. This is also why "drag queen" is only an appropriate thing to call someone who is doing it in a professional or hobby capacity: that is a term that refers to people who identify as male while performing femininity in certain contexts. Drag queens study and mimic stereotypical female gender performances with a unique precision, because during the act, their identity is clearly male and they need to preserve that visually while overwhelming that effect with over-the-top female gender performance. At least, that's how I understand it.

I learned a lot from a multidisciplinary linguistics class called "Language, Gender and Society". You might want to look for a similar course to audit if you are not in college; the professor will probably be interested in spreading the information to those who are ready to hear it.

As for your new change of heart, Alaje, it is good to see that you are amenable to evidence after all. Sorry to say this, but when you understand, you will appear left-wing to yourself. That's because the activist left wing was saying these things for decades before mainstream science and medicine started listening, and now medicine has caught up a great deal. Even moderate liberal conservatives sound like left-wingers when they talk about gender, because we know a lot about gender and it turns out the people who wrote all those zines and staged all those protests were right about their own lived experience. Gee, who'd have thought?