Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:14 pmThe Truth and Light wrote:Would you have sex with someone of your gender? Yes or no?
That depends. Do I know she identifies as a he?
That depends. Do I know she identifies as a he?
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:14 pmThat depends. Do I know she identifies as a he?
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:15 pmPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:18 pmNo, I'm quite male. Though I'm half the man I used to be. (Half the man I used to be.) I'm saying that if I meet a self-identifying he who has she-parts, it would be different than a self-identifying he who had he parts. As stated earlier in this thread, I'm anti-sea cucumber.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:19 pmGod dammit guys, does this clusterfuck ever stop?
PS: I will be responding to the horde of replies you all have swarmed me with within the next few hours.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:20 pmNo brakes on the thread-train.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:22 pmI await with anticipation.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:43 pmZweite Alaje wrote:The Truth and Light wrote:I am confused. You admit to have total, ridiculously complete ignorance to how transgender psychology works. You don't know where it comes from, you don't know how they think, you don't know what causes it, common traits, chemical affects, or anything else that is possible used in clinical psychology to classify, understand, and analyze personality types, trauma, disorders, or anything like that.
And despite your ignorance, despite your lack of knowledge on the subject and apparent lack of experience interacting with transgender people, you go ahead and say, "FUCK ALL YALL" to the scientific, psychiatric, neuroscientific, genetic, and transgender communities. And what do you go with? "Oh it's just not common, so it's can't be considered good."
You have committed the worst, most disgusting genetic fallacy I have ever seen.
My reasoning isn't so much about it being "uncommon" as it is about it being illogical and not grounded in reality, no person in their right mind thinks or wants to be what they are not.
brb going to mental hospital because I want to be wealthy
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:44 pmI'm an out Gay.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:01 pmNO, that is taking my statements out of context. We're talking about transexuality.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:04 pmYou are completely missing the point. If a male has his penis chopped off and replaced with a vagina, hormones put into his body, etc., he is now female. If a man wants to be a woman, and decides to act as such, he is a woman. Gender and sex are two separate things that are only tangentially related. Try to stop making an ass of yourself, if you can.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:04 pmPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:09 pmExplain to me the difference between having an asset you like (money) and an asset you like (a body that matches your mind).
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:10 pmPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:11 pmNah, pretty sure that's full context there.
My reasoning ... is ... not grounded in reality
That is being taken out of context.
I provided the full section in question. :l That's very much in context.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:14 pmPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:15 pmNo, not really.
No, that makes him a man that had his penis lopped off.If a male has his penis chopped off and replaced with a vagina, hormones put into his body, etc., he is now female.
No, he's just a man that acts like a woman. A man can't be a woman, and a woman can't be a man.If a man wants to be a woman, and decides to act as such, he is a woman. Gender and sex are two separate things that are only tangentially related. Try to stop making an ass of yourself, if you can.
Actually yes, I do. I they think they're "trapped" in the "wrong body".
Money is an obtainable asset, it is impossible to change ones gender-sex.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:18 pmNope, gender keeps on happening whether you are capable of understanding it or.......otherwise. Not sure what reaction you're trying to raise by rehashing your thoroughly debunked, outdated pseudo-medical bigotry at this point.
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Zweite Alaje wrote:
NO, that is taking my statements out of context. We're talking about transexuality.
You are completely missing the point. If a male has his penis chopped off and replaced with a vagina, hormones put into his body, etc., he is now female. If a man wants to be a woman, and decides to act as such, he is a woman. Gender and sex are two separate things that are only tangentially related. Try to stop making an ass of yourself, if you can.
We can dream.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:20 pmExcept that people can and do change their sex.
EDIT: And if they can't, why can't they try?
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:20 pmFree South Califas wrote:Nope, gender keeps on happening whether you are capable of understanding it or.......otherwise. Not sure what reaction you're trying to raise by rehashing your thoroughly debunked, outdated pseudo-medical bigotry at this point.Zweite Alaje wrote:God dammit guys, does this clusterfuck ever stop?New England and The Maritimes wrote:You are completely missing the point. If a male has his penis chopped off and replaced with a vagina, hormones put into his body, etc., he is now female. If a man wants to be a woman, and decides to act as such, he is a woman. Gender and sex are two separate things that are only tangentially related. Try to stop making an ass of yourself, if you can.
We can dream.
To my knowledge, the penis is not "chopped off". Parts-interior are removed, and it is "tucked in" to create part of the new primary characteristic.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:25 pmThe Emerald Dawn wrote:Free South Califas wrote:Nope, gender keeps on happening whether you are capable of understanding it or.......otherwise. Not sure what reaction you're trying to raise by rehashing your thoroughly debunked, outdated pseudo-medical bigotry at this point.
We can dream.
To my knowledge, the penis is not "chopped off". Parts-interior are removed, and it is "tucked in" to create part of the new primary characteristic.
I was simplifying, I know the process.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:26 pmThe simplification may cause confusion and or incorrect subsequent expectations in the uninitiated.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:28 pmFrom Wiki...
There are three established definitions that need to be made clear here.
Sex is a biological distinction between male and female. The basis for this distinction is establish through microbiology; different organism have different mechanism to reproduce. Some organisms are asexual and reproduce by making an exact copy of them selves. Most other organisms reproduce sexually, which typically implies that they utilize organic structure attach to themselves to induce the reproduction process. The structures produce something called gametes, or "sex cells", both arbitrarily defined as male or female. In humans, the male gamete is the sperm, and the female gamete is the egg.
Gender is a construct that exist in human society, independent of biological sex. It is based around one's identity and self-created role in society, in relation to others around them. Although a gender stereotype is often applied to you based on your biological sex, this is arbitrary and doesn't have to be the case. Every individual society has their own gender stereotypes, and sometimes they overlap. Some people, transgenders, feel that their society's construct of gender based around their does not fit them, so they perform the role of the opposite gender. This is not considered a mental illness, although many transgender people do suffer trauma from discrimination and bullying.
Information that everyone should read before they try to contest the sanity of transgender people.
EDIT: I said "three", but I only wrote two. Sue me...
Transgender is the state of one's gender identity (self-identification as woman, man, neither or both) not matching one's assigned sex (identification by others as male, female or intersex based on physical/genetic sex).[1] Transgender does not imply any specific form of sexual orientation; transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, or asexual; some may consider conventional sexual orientation labels inadequate or inapplicable to them. The precise definition for transgender remains in flux.
There are three established definitions that need to be made clear here.
Sex is a biological distinction between male and female. The basis for this distinction is establish through microbiology; different organism have different mechanism to reproduce. Some organisms are asexual and reproduce by making an exact copy of them selves. Most other organisms reproduce sexually, which typically implies that they utilize organic structure attach to themselves to induce the reproduction process. The structures produce something called gametes, or "sex cells", both arbitrarily defined as male or female. In humans, the male gamete is the sperm, and the female gamete is the egg.
Gender is a construct that exist in human society, independent of biological sex. It is based around one's identity and self-created role in society, in relation to others around them. Although a gender stereotype is often applied to you based on your biological sex, this is arbitrary and doesn't have to be the case. Every individual society has their own gender stereotypes, and sometimes they overlap. Some people, transgenders, feel that their society's construct of gender based around their does not fit them, so they perform the role of the opposite gender. This is not considered a mental illness, although many transgender people do suffer trauma from discrimination and bullying.
Information that everyone should read before they try to contest the sanity of transgender people.
EDIT: I said "three", but I only wrote two. Sue me...
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:40 pmBottle wrote:Zweite Alaje wrote:
I challenge you to make your stand against me if you feel I am incorrect, Hypersomnia. You are Trans, correct? As I said defend yourself.
Why should anybody "defend themselves" to you?
You seem to be confusing anger with contempt, Zweite. People aren't angry at you, they are looking at you the same way they'd look at someone who thought that dropping his pants and pooping on the floor was a convincing reply during a debate.
Your posts are giving us an opportunity to expose and discuss some of the more common points of ignorance when it comes to trans issues, but honestly any old bigot could fill your role. You've given no reason why anybody should care what you think.
Puffing our your feathers and strutting around cawing "Come at me, bro!!!" is just pitiful.
I'm attacking their belief system.
Contempt and anger are the same to me.
I'm not "just any bigot", you will never find anyone like me, my ideological thought processes are unique as well as my manner of evaluating issues. If I feel I'm without question defeated in an arguement, I will concede. But I do care what you think, because you are incorrect.
I'm confrontational, that should be evident by now. I view debates as battles.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:41 pmAnd the ultimate graph of proper information.
Genderbread Person!
I'd like it if from now on, when someone is terribly misinformed, we refer them to my posts to save time.
Genderbread Person!
I'd like it if from now on, when someone is terribly misinformed, we refer them to my posts to save time.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:43 pmZweite Alaje wrote: I view debates as battles.
But silly Alaje. You are not Dovah.
The Truth and Light wrote:And the ultimate graph of proper information.
Genderbread Person!
I'd like it if from now on, when someone is terribly misinformed, we refer them to my posts to save time.
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