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What is your sexuality?

Straight
476
57%
Gay or Lesbian
100
12%
Bisexual
133
16%
Asexual
62
7%
I'm not sure
69
8%
 
Total votes : 840

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Postby Immoren » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Seshephe wrote:
Immoren wrote:'Tis why I'd drink copious amounts of whiskey while creating it. :P

Pfeh, four dimensions is easy to represent desu

Easy for you to say! D:
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:11 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Bottle wrote:Why should anybody "defend themselves" to you?

You seem to be confusing anger with contempt, Zweite. People aren't angry at you, they are looking at you the same way they'd look at someone who thought that dropping his pants and pooping on the floor was a convincing reply during a debate.

Your posts are giving us an opportunity to expose and discuss some of the more common points of ignorance when it comes to trans issues, but honestly any old bigot could fill your role. You've given no reason why anybody should care what you think.

Puffing our your feathers and strutting around cawing "Come at me, bro!!!" is just pitiful.


I'm attacking their belief system.

Contempt and anger are the same to me.

I'm not "just any bigot", you will never find anyone like me, my ideological thought processes are unique as well as my manner of evaluating issues. If I feel I'm without question defeated in an arguement, I will concede. But I do care what you think, because you are incorrect.

I'm confrontational, that should be evident by now. I view debates as battles.


No, you are exactly "just any bigot". You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake. You are just somebody who doesn't know what they hell they're talking about and insists on trying to force their petty bigotry on everybody else.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:12 pm

Immoren wrote:
Olthar wrote:Humans can't even adequately comprehend four dimensions.

'Tis why I'd drink copious amounts of whiskey while creating it. :P

LSD might be more effective. :p
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:12 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I don't like sea-cucumbers. I don't even like my own.

Took me a while to get that.

I thought you might have some really exotic pet that, for some reason, you hated.

Then:

"Oh. Oh!"

"Today's secret word is 'penis'."

For some reason I can't mention penis in a thread without imagining the entire audience tittering in childish mirth at the word. So I interpose "sea-cucumber" after reading it here.

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Postby Seshephe » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:14 pm

Olthar wrote:
Immoren wrote:'Tis why I'd drink copious amounts of whiskey while creating it. :P

LSD might be more effective. :p

How did you know about the LSD? :shock:


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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
I'm attacking their belief system.

Contempt and anger are the same to me.

I'm not "just any bigot", you will never find anyone like me, my ideological thought processes are unique as well as my manner of evaluating issues. If I feel I'm without question defeated in an arguement, I will concede. But I do care what you think, because you are incorrect.

I'm confrontational, that should be evident by now. I view debates as battles.


No, you are exactly "just any bigot".

I'm not a bigot at all.

You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.

That's such a fascist thing to say. No really, you sound exactly like someone from a certain wannabe fascist cesspool I know.

You are just somebody who doesn't know what they hell they're talking about and insists on trying to force their petty bigotry on everybody else.


Prove I don't know what I'm talking about. If I suddenly didn't feel like being a male anymore, could I simply start acting like a woman and legitly be a woman?
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Seshephe wrote:
Olthar wrote:LSD might be more effective. :p

How did you know about the LSD? :shock:

You just told me. :p
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:19 pm

Bottle wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Please, no one start attacking me and yelling at me and stuff. I just have a question.

Sex is determined by whether or not you have a y-chromosome. Males have y-chromosomes, females have x-chromosomes.
So, since a male has an x chromosome, I can understand male to female transsexuality, but where's the "brain circuitry" come from for female to male transsexuality?

It's actually a lot more complicated at the genetic level. You can have individuals who are XY, yet who are physiologically female, because what really matters is the activation of a particular gene locus called SRY. If you have a Y chromosome but your SRY does not activate, then you will remain female (all fetuses start out as female) and you will look like a perfectly normal girl in terms of how your body develops.

You also need to remember that relatively little information is contained on the Y chromosome. The vast majority of coding for "brain circuitry" is not on the Y chromosome (indeed, I'm not sure there is any coding for "brain circuitry" contained on the Y at all, but this is not my area of expertise). You have 46 chromosomes and only one of them is the Y, after all...small wonder that there is so very little difference between "male brains" and "female brains"!


And that's without even getting into X0, XX, XXX, XXXX, XXXXX, XY, XXY, XXXY, XXXXY, XXXXXY, XYY, XXYY, XXXYY, XXXXYY, XXXXXYY, XYYY, XXYYYY, XXXYYYY, XXXXYYYY, XXXXXYYYY, XYYYYY, XXYYYYY, XXXYYYYY, XXXXYYYYY, XXXXXYYYYY, XX/XY, and all the other variations of mosaicism.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:20 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:I'm not a bigot at all.

:rofl:

Oh, oh god. That's great. Pull the other one.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:21 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, you are exactly "just any bigot".

I'm not a bigot at all.


Yes, you are.

You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.

That's such a fascist thing to say. No really, you sound exactly like someone from a certain wannabe fascist cesspool I know.


No, it's an honest thing to say. There are seven billion people on this planet, and in all likelyhood, several billion of them are more interesting than you are in any given area of discourse.

You are just somebody who doesn't know what they hell they're talking about and insists on trying to force their petty bigotry on everybody else.


Prove I don't know what I'm talking about. If I suddenly didn't feel like being a male anymore, could I simply start acting like a woman and legitly be a woman?


If you believe yourself to be so, yes. Gender is an entirely social/psychological construct.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Immoren » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:21 pm

Olthar wrote:
Immoren wrote:'Tis why I'd drink copious amounts of whiskey while creating it. :P

LSD might be more effective. :p

But drunk engineer is more traditional than trippy engineer! D:
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:23 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
I seriously doubt anyone will associate the MLP fandom with my views, Ostro. I'm extremely atypical for a brony, especially considering I'm a fascistic brony. As always, I appreciate your comradery as a fellow syndicalist.


Yeah, don't worry.

We're all aware Alaje is the only gender-obsessed one-trick pony in this particular part of Equestria.

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:p

Maybe you could participate in this discussion DI. You're trans as well, correct? How about you describe to me what it is like?

I have an IRL friend that is either trans or questioning. She's bi, but she talks alot about wanting to be male. And she still refers to herself as a she still so IDK?
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Postby The Truth and Light » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:24 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Yeah, don't worry.

We're all aware Alaje is the only gender-obsessed one-trick pony in this particular part of Equestria.

( ̄ー ̄)


:p

Maybe you could participate in this discussion DI. You're trans as well, correct? How about you describe to me what it is like?

I have an IRL friend that is either trans or questioning. She's bi, but she talks alot about wanting to be male. And she still refers to herself as a she still so IDK?

Oh Jesus fucking CHRIST I hope she's not seeking counsel with you on the issue.

An actual person's livelihood is at stake here. -.-
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:24 pm

Immoren wrote:
Olthar wrote:LSD might be more effective. :p

But drunk engineer is more traditional than trippy engineer! D:

True, and LSD will probably end up resulting in you trying to convince the UN that dolphins are people.
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Postby Immoren » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:27 pm

Olthar wrote:
Immoren wrote:But drunk engineer is more traditional than trippy engineer! D:

True, and LSD will probably end up resulting in you trying to convince the UN that dolphins are people.

They aren't!? D:
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Postby Seshephe » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:27 pm

Olthar wrote:
Immoren wrote:But drunk engineer is more traditional than trippy engineer! D:

True, and LSD will probably end up resulting in you trying to convince the UN that dolphins are people.

I can confirm this...


Immoren wrote:
Olthar wrote:True, and LSD will probably end up resulting in you trying to convince the UN that dolphins are people.

They aren't!? D:

Yes
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm

Ok, so regardless of whether or not trans people are the sex they want to be and the gender they feel they are, what's to stop them making the change? Regardless of whether or not they become the sex they want to be, if it makes them happier, why shouldn't they be allowed to alter themselves in any way they see fit? If I decide I want to lop off my left hand, why shouldn't I be allowed to?
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm

Immoren wrote:
Olthar wrote:True, and LSD will probably end up resulting in you trying to convince the UN that dolphins are people.

They aren't!? D:

Sorry to break it to you, but they're not. They're dolphins. :(
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Postby Seshephe » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:30 pm

Olthar wrote:
Immoren wrote:They aren't!? D:

Sorry to break it to you, but they're not. They're dolphins. :(

Hey! Dolphins are people to! :lol:


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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:30 pm

Zottistan wrote:Ok, so regardless of whether or not teans people are the sex they want to be and the gender they feel they are, what's to stop them making the change? Regardless of whether or not they become the sex they want to be, if it makes them happier, why shouldn't they be allowed to alter themselves in any way they see fit? If I decide I want to lop off my left hand, why shouldn't I be allowed to?

If Hollywood movie stars can get new tits, I should be able to, as well.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:34 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:I'm not a bigot at all.


Yes, you are.


Whatever.

You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.

That's such a fascist thing to say. No really, you sound exactly like someone from a certain wannabe fascist cesspool I know.


No, it's an honest thing to say. There are seven billion people on this planet, and in all likelyhood, several billion of them are more interesting than you are in any given area of discourse.[/quote][/quote]

I seriously doubt that.


Prove I don't know what I'm talking about. If I suddenly didn't feel like being a male anymore, could I simply start acting like a woman and legitly be a woman?


If you believe yourself to be so, yes. Gender is an entirely social/psychological construct.


That is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. Ok, maybe I'm not explaining my views as very well. I do recognize there is a masculine/feminine spectrum and that a person can fall anywhere on it. I for example "identify" as male, but appearently I'm sort of androgynous, because in online chatrooms and on the phone people assume I'm female a disturbingly high percentage of the time. However, I don't understand why people think that "acting" masculine or feminine makes you a male or female.
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:36 pm

Olthar wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Ok, so regardless of whether or not teans people are the sex they want to be and the gender they feel they are, what's to stop them making the change? Regardless of whether or not they become the sex they want to be, if it makes them happier, why shouldn't they be allowed to alter themselves in any way they see fit? If I decide I want to lop off my left hand, why shouldn't I be allowed to?

If Hollywood movie stars can get new tits, I should be able to, as well.

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like. You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:38 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Olthar wrote:If Hollywood movie stars can get new tits, I should be able to, as well.

...Yeah. You should. That's the point. You should be allowed to have all your bones removed if you like. You should be allowed to do literally whatever you like to yoyr own body, with no exceptions.

Indubitably.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:39 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:That is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. Ok, maybe I'm not explaining my views as very well. I do recognize there is a masculine/feminine spectrum and that a person can fall anywhere on it. I for example "identify" as male, but appearently I'm sort of androgynous, because in online chatrooms and on the phone people assume I'm female a disturbingly high percentage of the time. However, I don't understand why people think that "acting" masculine or feminine makes you a male or female.

They don't think that, ever.

Identifying as a male makes you male. Identifying. Not acting.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:42 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:No, it's an honest thing to say. There are seven billion people on this planet, and in all likelyhood, several billion of them are more interesting than you are in any given area of discourse.


I seriously doubt that.


It is a simple statistical fact. You are not fucking special. Deal the fuck with it.

If you believe yourself to be so, yes. Gender is an entirely social/psychological construct.


That is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. Ok, maybe I'm not explaining my views as very well. I do recognize there is a masculine/feminine spectrum and that a person can fall anywhere on it. I for example "identify" as male, but appearently I'm sort of androgynous, because in online chatrooms and on the phone people assume I'm female a disturbingly high percentage of the time. However, I don't understand why people think that "acting" masculine or feminine makes you a male or female.


Gender identity refers to a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender. This is generally described as one's private sense of being a man or a woman, consisting primarily of the acceptance of membership into a category of people: male or female.[1] All societies have a set of gender categories that can serve as the basis of the formation of a social identity in relation to other members of society. In most societies, there is a basic division between gender attributes assigned to males and females. In all societies, however, some individuals do not identify with some (or all) of the aspects of gender that are assigned to their biological sex.


Gender =/= Sex.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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