What is your sexuality? For people who are not closed minded

[Zweite Alaje]

Ah. Well, that's still confusing, but I guess good enough considering the circumstances. Thanks for not cussing me out like everyone else in the thread. : P

There isn't a single swear word in Bottle's reply to you.

I'd find a picture of a scarecrow, but at this point I don't think there's any point in telling people to deal with the actual bigots instead of going after me, whom never said half the stuff you're complaining about. Keep ranting, if it makes you feel okay.

Your arguments are such that they would easily qualify you to be 'dealt with' by these 'people'. Your argument is akin to "Well, what was she wearing, out so late on a Saturday?".

I never implied that they were. I'm stating that it isn't an acceptable way of thinking, we shouldn't feed into people's whims of some identity conjured up in their heads.

Pray tell, what danger awaits if we accept the 'way of thinking' that other people simply refer to as being mature, rational, open to scientific discovery...?

It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

Why not?

I am confused. You admit to have total, ridiculously complete ignorance to how transgender psychology works. You don't know where it comes from, you don't know how they think, you don't know what causes it, common traits, chemical affects, or anything else that is possible used in clinical psychology to classify, understand, and analyze personality types, trauma, disorders, or anything like that.

And despite your ignorance, despite your lack of knowledge on the subject and apparent lack of experience interacting with transgender people, you go ahead and say, "FUCK ALL YALL" to the scientific, psychiatric, neuroscientific, genetic, and transgender communities. And what do you go with? "Oh it's just not common, so it's can't be considered good."

You have committed the worst, most disgusting genetic fallacy I have ever seen.

Welcome to Alaje. Fascistic ideas, or semblances thereof, are par for the course.

My reasoning isn't so much about it being "uncommon" as it is about it being illogical and not grounded in reality, no person in their right mind thinks or wants to be what they are not.

If a neat, concise, well-reviewed, broadly-supported set of facts, which are obviously supported by visible effects in public health like a decrease in suicidality (in this case), is difficult for you to accept and seems "not grounded in" your "reality", it's probably your logic that's broken. It's as true for the topic at hand as it would be for gravity, seat belts, natural selection, drunk driving, or anything else that is currently accepted by scientific consensus.

Ostracize, no, that's not what I'm going for. All the disorders you listed are just that, disorders, anomalies, that are not normal and we shouldn't tell people with them they are normal. What do we do with people with illnesses? We treat them, medicine and therapy.

Medicine and therapy are available and encouraged for transsexual people, by the exact people whose acceptance of science you consider "dangerous".

Um, no.

That's not a rebuttal.

1.) There is nothing rational about transexuality

2.) Back to number one, people start believing in irrational "identities", it is already happening as evidenced by how many people here are blind to it.

3.) Yes, I'm pretty much quasi-fascist at this point in my ideological development, I'm very likely to remain that way.

4.) Transexuality's link to high suicide rates only helps my arguement that it shouldn't be normalized.

5.) No, they don't provide them therapy. They tell them they're "ok" and pat them on the back on their way to get SRS.

[Night Elven Empire]

There isn't a single swear word in Bottle's reply to you.


Your arguments are such that they would easily qualify you to be 'dealt with' by these 'people'. Your argument is akin to "Well, what was she wearing, out so late on a Saturday?".


Pray tell, what danger awaits if we accept the 'way of thinking' that other people simply refer to as being mature, rational, open to scientific discovery...?


Why not?


Welcome to Alaje. Fascistic ideas, or semblances thereof, are par for the course.

If a neat, concise, well-reviewed, broadly-supported set of facts, which are obviously supported by visible effects in public health like a decrease in suicidality (in this case), is difficult for you to accept and seems "not grounded in" your "reality", it's probably your logic that's broken. It's as true for the topic at hand as it would be for gravity, seat belts, natural selection, drunk driving, or anything else that is currently accepted by scientific consensus.


Medicine and therapy are available and encouraged for transsexual people, by the exact people whose acceptance of science you consider "dangerous".


That's not a rebuttal.

1.) There is nothing rational about transexuality

2.) Back to number one, people start believing in irrational "identities", it is already happening as evidenced by how many people here are blind to it.

3.) Yes, I'm pretty much quasi-fascist at this point in my ideological development, I'm very likely to remain that way.

4.) Transexuality's link to high suicide rates only helps my arguement that it shouldn't be normalized.

5.) No, they don't provide them therapy. They tell them they're "ok" and pat them on the back on their way to get SRS.

All I will say is that if a person is willing to pay for their sex to be change, let them give the medical industry their money. Doctors get paid, and they get the product they want. Sex changes are just supply and demand born of advanced technology. Nothing wrong with that, if you ask me.

[Chronic Hypersomnia]

1.) There is nothing rational about transexuality

2.) Back to number one, people start believing in irrational "identities", it is already happening as evidenced by how many people here are blind to it.

3.) Yes, I'm pretty much quasi-fascist at this point in my ideological development, I'm very likely to remain that way.

4.) Transexuality's link to high suicide rates only helps my arguement that it shouldn't be normalized.

5.) No, they don't provide them therapy. They tell them they're "ok" and pat them on the back on their way to get SRS.

Regurgitated shit doesn't count as an argument...

[Zweite Alaje]

1.) There is nothing rational about transexuality

2.) Back to number one, people start believing in irrational "identities", it is already happening as evidenced by how many people here are blind to it.

3.) Yes, I'm pretty much quasi-fascist at this point in my ideological development, I'm very likely to remain that way.

4.) Transexuality's link to high suicide rates only helps my arguement that it shouldn't be normalized.

5.) No, they don't provide them therapy. They tell them they're "ok" and pat them on the back on their way to get SRS.

Regurgitated shit doesn't count as an argument...

Make a counterarguement then. Defend yourself.

1.) There is nothing rational about transexuality

2.) Back to number one, people start believing in irrational "identities", it is already happening as evidenced by how many people here are blind to it.

3.) Yes, I'm pretty much quasi-fascist at this point in my ideological development, I'm very likely to remain that way.

4.) Transexuality's link to high suicide rates only helps my arguement that it shouldn't be normalized.

5.) No, they don't provide them therapy. They tell them they're "ok" and pat them on the back on their way to get SRS.

All I will say is that if a person is willing to pay for their sex to be change, let them give the medical industry their money. Doctors get paid, and they get the product they want. Sex changes are just supply and demand born of advanced technology. Nothing wrong with that, if you ask me.

Product? Medical Industry?

Medicine isn't some game, nor should it be used for the frivolous whims of materialists.

[Night Elven Empire]

Regurgitated shit doesn't count as an argument...

Make a counterarguement then. Defend yourself.

All I will say is that if a person is willing to pay for their sex to be change, let them give the medical industry their money. Doctors get paid, and they get the product they want. Sex changes are just supply and demand born of advanced technology. Nothing wrong with that, if you ask me.

Product? Medical Industry?

Medicine isn't some game, nor should it be used for the frivolous whims of materialists.

You have no right to dictate what people sell or buy. If both parties gain something, the buyers receiving their new body and the sellers being able to feed their families in this case, no harm is done.

[Chronic Hypersomnia]

Make a counterarguement then. Defend yourself.

I've learned that any semblance of logic or rationality is completely absent from your realm of understanding.

Rather that be by force or what, isn't really my concern.

Spare me your cancer.

[Zweite Alaje]

Make a counterarguement then. Defend yourself.

I've learned that any semblance of logic or rationality is completely absent from your realm of understanding.

Rather that be by force or what, isn't really my concern.

Spare me your cancer.

> Says logic and rationality are absent from my understanding
> Is speaking to a person who has gone from violently anti-homosexual to supporting gay rights in a few months time.
>My thoughts are not static.

I challenge you to make your stand against me if you feel I am incorrect, Hypersomnia. You are Trans, correct? As I said defend yourself.

[Free South Califas]

I've learned that any semblance of logic or rationality is completely absent from your realm of understanding.

Rather that be by force or what, isn't really my concern.

Spare me your cancer.

> Says logic and rationality are absent from my understanding
> Is speaking to a person who has gone from violently anti-homosexual to supporting gay rights in a few months time.
>My thoughts are not static.

I challenge you to make your stand against me if you feel I am incorrect, Hypersomnia. You are Trans, correct? As I said defend yourself.

Absolutely unacceptable. Nobody owes you an apology for your ignorance.

[Zweite Alaje]

> Says logic and rationality are absent from my understanding
> Is speaking to a person who has gone from violently anti-homosexual to supporting gay rights in a few months time.
>My thoughts are not static.

I challenge you to make your stand against me if you feel I am incorrect, Hypersomnia. You are Trans, correct? As I said defend yourself.

Absolutely unacceptable. Nobody owes you an apology for your ignorance.

I'm not seeking apology, I'm challenging them to counterattack. I feel their anger, but it is pointless if you don't do anything about it. They may as well haven't responded.

[Katyuscha]

Bisexual.

[1337 G4M3R5]

I am attracted to members of the opposite sex...so straight, technically.


Only technically though because while I do experience sexual attraction, I have not ever been motivated to act upon it. Even when the other individual was clearly interested in me.


So...I can acknowledge someone's attractiveness, but I just sort of hit a wall after that.


"ooh...that's nice...but...meh..."

[Free South Califas]

Absolutely unacceptable. Nobody owes you an apology for your ignorance.

I'm not seeking apology, I'm challenging them to counterattack. I feel their anger, but it is pointless if you don't do anything about it. They may as well haven't responded.

And it is completely unacceptable to attack trans people for their identity based on your ignorance. To be clear, Hypersomnia owes you absolutely nothing, except perhaps a hearty slap in the face.

[Bottle]

I challenge you to make your stand against me if you feel I am incorrect, Hypersomnia. You are Trans, correct? As I said defend yourself.

Why should anybody "defend themselves" to you?

You seem to be confusing anger with contempt, Zweite. People aren't angry at you, they are looking at you the same way they'd look at someone who thought that dropping his pants and pooping on the floor was a convincing reply during a debate.

Your posts are giving us an opportunity to expose and discuss some of the more common points of ignorance when it comes to trans issues, but honestly any old bigot could fill your role. You've given no reason why anybody should care what you think.

Puffing our your feathers and strutting around cawing "Come at me, bro!!!" is just pitiful.

[Ostroeuropa]

1.) There is nothing rational about transexuality

2.) Back to number one, people start believing in irrational "identities", it is already happening as evidenced by how many people here are blind to it.

3.) Yes, I'm pretty much quasi-fascist at this point in my ideological development, I'm very likely to remain that way.

4.) Transexuality's link to high suicide rates only helps my arguement that it shouldn't be normalized.

5.) No, they don't provide them therapy. They tell them they're "ok" and pat them on the back on their way to get SRS.

1a. Source there is nothing rational about it
2b. Identify where sexual preferences must be rational to be respected and why this is the case

2. You have yet to source your argument for this.

3. Ok

4. Please demonstrate a correlation and then a causation cited by a reputable sociologist or psychologist.

5. This is untrue. Therapy is normally a requirement.

[Tagmatium]

I don't know why you're bothering with him.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't know why you're bothering with him.

He has a pony flag.

[Tagmatium]

I don't know why you're bothering with him.

He has a pony flag.

So?

People who like MLP are people too, therefore as full of ignorance, bitterness and bile as the rest of us mere mortals.

His ignorance/close-mindedness is here for all to see, he's not changing his opinion and he's digging himself in deeper.

It's a lost cause, although that might give him a misplaced sense of victory.

[Ostroeuropa]

He has a pony flag.

So?

People who like MLP are people too, therefore as full of ignorance, bitterness and bile as the rest of us mere mortals.

His ignorance/close-mindedness is here for all to see, he's not changing his opinion and he's digging himself in deeper.

It's a lost cause, although that might give him a misplaced sense of victory.

Thats the point.
He has a pony flag and he's making us look bad. I usually confront people who agree with me or are my allies about their bullshit a lot quicker than my enemies.
The fact he is a brony is only a loose connection but I applied the principle nonetheless.

[Tagmatium]

So?

People who like MLP are people too, therefore as full of ignorance, bitterness and bile as the rest of us mere mortals.

His ignorance/close-mindedness is here for all to see, he's not changing his opinion and he's digging himself in deeper.

It's a lost cause, although that might give him a misplaced sense of victory.

Thats the point.

He has a pony flag and he's making us look bad.

Why?

Perhaps I'm in the minority, I just tend not to think that people who like MLP are some sort of hive-mind.

[Ostroeuropa]

Thats the point.

He has a pony flag and he's making us look bad.

Why?

Perhaps I'm in the minority, I just tend not to think that people who like MLP are some sort of hive-mind.

Because you aren't a tool. Not everyone thinks that way and I don't want to be accused of bigotry just because I have a pony in my flag, so I need to at least make a token gesture. we're also both syndicalists)

[Tagmatium]

Why?

Perhaps I'm in the minority, I just tend not to think that people who like MLP are some sort of hive-mind.

Because you aren't a tool. Not everyone thinks that way and I don't want to be accused of bigotry just because I have a pony in my flag, so I need to at least make a token gesture. we're also both syndicalists.

Fair enough.

Honestly, from what I've seen, he's probably the minority. At least, from what I've seen of it in NS. I don't tend to go out of my way to find all of MLP-fans' hideouts on this website. In some regards, I avoid them. I don't particularly like the programme, from what little I've seen of it. Ain't my cup of tea.

*drinks tea*

Although one could probably accuse me of lacking backbone and copping out to bigots by not attempting to challenge them in their ignorance.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because you aren't a tool. Not everyone thinks that way and I don't want to be accused of bigotry just because I have a pony in my flag, so I need to at least make a token gesture.

Fair enough.

Honestly, from what I've seen, he's probably the minority. At least, from what I've seen of it in NS. I don't tend to go out of my way to find all of MLP-fans' hideouts on this website. In some regards, I avoid them. I don't particularly like the programme, from what little I've seen of it. Ain't my cup of tea.

*drinks tea*

Although one could probably accuse me of lacking backbone and copping out to bigots by not attempting to challenge them in their ignorance.

I consider it everyones duty to police their own it allows us to take them seriously when they say thinks like "anti-immigration policy isn't racist." if their allies are continually being racists and they do/say nothing about it, they start to look more odd than if they chewed them out all the time.

[United Federation of Francis Republic]

Lesbian, stone butch, and proud of it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Lesbian, stone butch, and proud of it.

Can you define Butch for me? it's never been clear to me. I've seen very disparate people claim to be butch and can't really find any underlying connection other than they are females. I tend to take their word for it.

[Tagmatium]

Fair enough.

Honestly, from what I've seen, he's probably the minority. At least, from what I've seen of it in NS. I don't tend to go out of my way to find all of MLP-fans' hideouts on this website. In some regards, I avoid them. I don't particularly like the programme, from what little I've seen of it. Ain't my cup of tea.

*drinks tea*

Although one could probably accuse me of lacking backbone and copping out to bigots by not attempting to challenge them in their ignorance.

I consider it everyones duty to police their own it allows us to take them seriously when they say thinks like "anti-immigration policy isn't racist." if their allies are continually being racists and they do/say nothing about it, they start to look more odd than if they chewed them out all the time.

Well, fair enough.

Ostreoeuropa: Brony Police.

I do get what you mean, though. Again, I suspect the label of "spinelessness" might stick if thrown at me.

But then Zweite Alaje strikes me as one of the sort who is ten-a-penny on this site and elsewhere. Narrow-minded and not really wanting their treasured preconceptions shaken by those who don't share their same world-view. A bit confirmed by referring to himself as "infamous" in his sig. Perhaps not so much "infamous" as "making everyone else shake their heads in despair".