What is your sexuality? For people who are not closed minded

[Tmutarakhan]

> Trans thinks their something they're not

No, they're generally perfectly aware of what their situation is. They have the brain circuitry that would go with the set of genitals which unfortunately is not the one they have.

[Hallistar]

Straight

[Tlaceceyaya]

> Trans thinks their something they're not

No, they're generally perfectly aware of what their situation is. They have the brain circuitry that would go with the set of genitals which unfortunately is not the one they have.

Please, no one start attacking me and yelling at me and stuff. I just have a question.

Sex is determined by whether or not you have a y-chromosome. Males have y-chromosomes, females have x-chromosomes.
So, since a male has an x chromosome, I can understand male to female transsexuality, but where's the "brain circuitry" come from for female to male transsexuality?
It was actually Ende's monkey comment that made me think of this first, but I didn't ask it right away.

And, again, please, anyone who is reading this - do not attack me for asking an honest question.

[Wazkyraque]

I am a male homosexual. Nothing too interesting

[Olthar]

No, they're generally perfectly aware of what their situation is. They have the brain circuitry that would go with the set of genitals which unfortunately is not the one they have.

Please, no one start attacking me and yelling at me and stuff. I just have a question.

Sex is determined by whether or not you have a y-chromosome. Males have y-chromosomes, females have x-chromosomes.
So, since a male has an x chromosome, I can understand male to female transsexuality, but where's the "brain circuitry" come from for female to male transsexuality?
It was actually Ende's monkey comment that made me think of this first, but I didn't ask it right away.

And, again, please, anyone who is reading this - do not attack me for asking an honest question.

Because personality isn't a creation of sex chromosomes.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Please, no one start attacking me and yelling at me and stuff. I just have a question.

Sex is determined by whether or not you have a y-chromosome. Males have y-chromosomes, females have x-chromosomes.
So, since a male has an x chromosome, I can understand male to female transsexuality, but where's the "brain circuitry" come from for female to male transsexuality?
It was actually Ende's monkey comment that made me think of this first, but I didn't ask it right away.

And, again, please, anyone who is reading this - do not attack me for asking an honest question.

Because personality isn't a creation of sex chromosomes.

No, but the differences between men and women are. I can understand male to female, but females outright lack the y-chromosome to have any of the male-specific characteristics.

[Tmutarakhan]

No, they're generally perfectly aware of what their situation is. They have the brain circuitry that would go with the set of genitals which unfortunately is not the one they have.

Please, no one start attacking me and yelling at me and stuff. I just have a question.

Sex is determined by whether or not you have a y-chromosome. Males have y-chromosomes, females have x-chromosomes.
So, since a male has an x chromosome, I can understand male to female transsexuality, but where's the "brain circuitry" come from for female to male transsexuality?
It was actually Ende's monkey comment that made me think of this first, but I didn't ask it right away.

And, again, please, anyone who is reading this - do not attack me for asking an honest question.

Not an expert, but: both female and male bodies produce both estrogens and androgens. The genes for the hormones themselves and for the side-effects which they induce in various parts of the body are not actually on the X or the Y chromosomes. Those chromosomes contain master switches which are supposed to control the proportions in which the estrogenic and androgenic traits are expressed, but things don't always proceed according to the master plan.

[Olthar]

Because personality isn't a creation of sex chromosomes.

No, but the differences between men and women are. I can understand male to female, but females outright lack the y-chromosome to have any of the male-specific characteristics.

Only the physical differences are in them. Personality still isn't a creation of sex chromosomes.

[Free South Califas]

Pansexuality is having a sexual attraction with no regards to gender. Essentially, its being bisexual, except more inclusive of people outside the gender binary.

Ah. Well, that's still confusing, but I guess good enough considering the circumstances. Thanks for not cussing me out like everyone else in the thread. : P

There isn't a single swear word in Bottle's reply to you.

Do you really think YOU are helping?

You are telling gay people that, because some ignorant and bigoted non-gay people choose to stereotype all gay people, the onus is on GAY PEOPLE to change their behavior.

Aside from the whole issue of blaming the victims, are you aware that your idea does not work? Like, ever?

Do you really think that the reason there is a stereotype of black people being lazy and shiftless is because black people actually are lazy and shiftless, and the solution is for black people to make sure they are never seen resting or sleeping because they will be causing the problem?

Do you really think the reason women are stereotyped as being weak and helpless is because women really are weak and helpless, and the solution is for women to never ask for help with anything ever or else they are at fault for causing the stereotype?

You know who is to blame for perpetuating the stereotypes you are complaining about?

YOU.

Seriously. You, and people like you, are the major problem, because you are supporting, encouraging, and agreeing with the bullshit culture that entitles people to judge all gay people based on what one gay person does, instead of viewing gay people as individuals. When a straight man strips down and covers himself in body paint, nobody tells him he's contributing to an impression of all straight men as sick deviants, even though straight men do this every bit as often as gay men. Stop making messes and then demanding other people clean them up. You are the problem.

I'd find a picture of a scarecrow, but at this point I don't think there's any point in telling people to deal with the actual bigots instead of going after me, whom never said half the stuff you're complaining about. Keep ranting, if it makes you feel okay.

Your arguments are such that they would easily qualify you to be 'dealt with' by these 'people'. Your argument is akin to "Well, what was she wearing, out so late on a Saturday?".

It's only a problem in your mind. Transsexuals aren't harming anyone, especially not for simply existing.

I never implied that they were. I'm stating that it isn't an acceptable way of thinking, we shouldn't feed into people's whims of some identity conjured up in their heads.

Pray tell, what danger awaits if we accept the 'way of thinking' that other people simply refer to as being mature, rational, open to scientific discovery...?

Really not how it works hun.

It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

Why not?

It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

I am confused. You admit to have total, ridiculously complete ignorance to how transgender psychology works. You don't know where it comes from, you don't know how they think, you don't know what causes it, common traits, chemical affects, or anything else that is possible used in clinical psychology to classify, understand, and analyze personality types, trauma, disorders, or anything like that.

And despite your ignorance, despite your lack of knowledge on the subject and apparent lack of experience interacting with transgender people, you go ahead and say, "FUCK ALL YALL" to the scientific, psychiatric, neuroscientific, genetic, and transgender communities. And what do you go with? "Oh it's just not common, so it's can't be considered good."

You have committed the worst, most disgusting genetic fallacy I have ever seen.

Welcome to Alaje. Fascistic ideas, or semblances thereof, are par for the course.

I am confused. You admit to have total, ridiculously complete ignorance to how transgender psychology works. You don't know where it comes from, you don't know how they think, you don't know what causes it, common traits, chemical affects, or anything else that is possible used in clinical psychology to classify, understand, and analyze personality types, trauma, disorders, or anything like that.

And despite your ignorance, despite your lack of knowledge on the subject and apparent lack of experience interacting with transgender people, you go ahead and say, "FUCK ALL YALL" to the scientific, psychiatric, neuroscientific, genetic, and transgender communities. And what do you go with? "Oh it's just not common, so it's can't be considered good."

You have committed the worst, most disgusting genetic fallacy I have ever seen.

My reasoning isn't so much about it being "uncommon" as it is about it being illogical and not grounded in reality, no person in their right mind thinks or wants to be what they are not.

If a neat, concise, well-reviewed, broadly-supported set of facts, which are obviously supported by visible effects in public health like a decrease in suicidality (in this case), is difficult for you to accept and seems "not grounded in" your "reality", it's probably your logic that's broken. It's as true for the topic at hand as it would be for gravity, seat belts, natural selection, drunk driving, or anything else that is currently accepted by scientific consensus.

So we should ostracize, say, people with an autistic spectrum disorder like, I don't know, Asperger's? Or how about bipolar people? After all, they suffer from disorders and, according to your logic, disorders shouldn't be seen as normal and people who suffer from them shouldn't be seen as normal either, again, if we follow your line of thinking.

Ostracize, no, that's not what I'm going for. All the disorders you listed are just that, disorders, anomalies, that are not normal and we shouldn't tell people with them they are normal. What do we do with people with illnesses? We treat them, medicine and therapy.

Medicine and therapy are available and encouraged for transsexual people, by the exact people whose acceptance of science you consider "dangerous".

Alaje finds one icky.

Um, no.

That's not a rebuttal.

[Demen 2]

Straight as a stick, yo.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Straight as a stick, yo.

[Vazdania]

No, but the differences between men and women are. I can understand male to female, but females outright lack the y-chromosome to have any of the male-specific characteristics.

Only the physical differences are in them. Personality still isn't a creation of sex chromosomes.

slightly beg to differ....the production of Testosterone and Estrogen do have a slight effect on the personality of a person...HORMONES GOTTA LOVE 'EM.

[Vazdania]

Straight as a stick, yo.

how pretty ^_^

[Olthar]

Only the physical differences are in them. Personality still isn't a creation of sex chromosomes.

slightly beg to differ....the production of Testosterone and Estrogen do have a slight effect on the personality of a person...HORMONES GOTTA LOVE 'EM.

Slight affect =/= creation of

[Vazdania]

Because personality isn't a creation of sex chromosomes.

No, but the differences between men and women are. I can understand male to female, but females outright lack the y-chromosome to have any of the male-specific characteristics.

This would probably be due to an excess consumption of estrogen carrying substances such as.....soy? if I am not mistaken....Estrogen gets into a mans body and THEY ALL WANNA BECOMES LADIES (SUPER MASSIVE GENERALIZATION)

[Vazdania]

slightly beg to differ....the production of Testosterone and Estrogen do have a slight effect on the personality of a person...HORMONES GOTTA LOVE 'EM.

Slight affect =/= creation of

indeed.

[Primordial Luxa]

Where pansexual on that poll?

[Vazdania]

Where pansexual on that poll?

its not on there, sad day for you!

[Olthar]

No, but the differences between men and women are. I can understand male to female, but females outright lack the y-chromosome to have any of the male-specific characteristics.

This would probably be due to an excess consumption of estrogen carrying substances such as.....soy? if I am not mistaken....Estrogen gets into a mans body and THEY ALL WANNA BECOMES LADIES (SUPER MASSIVE GENERALIZATION)

As an MtF transsexual, I have never eaten soy.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Where pansexual on that poll?

its not on there, sad day for you!

Hump ALL the things?

[Libertarian California]

I'm a straight male, with crazy fetishes.

I'm also an Anglophilliac, but I'm trying to tone this down, because it brings back painful memories.

[Vazdania]

its not on there, sad day for you!

Hump ALL the things?

ALL. OF. THE. THINGS. O_O However I don't see the pleasure of such actions...it looks vulgar... >_> <_< want some cake?

[Chronic Hypersomnia]

i'm on a list somewhere... probably.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You keep trying to ban conflict from your threads. Have you ever been in NSG?

Straight.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Hump ALL the things?

ALL. OF. THE. THINGS. O_O However I don't see the pleasure of such actions...it looks vulgar... >_> <_< want some cake?

Close eyes

Enjoy sensations

Also works for impoverished strip clubs.