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What is your sexuality?

Straight
476
57%
Gay or Lesbian
100
12%
Bisexual
133
16%
Asexual
62
7%
I'm not sure
69
8%
 
Total votes : 840

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Zweite Alaje
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:25 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
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I never implied that they were. I'm stating that it isn't an acceptable way of thinking, we shouldn't feed into people's whims of some identity conjured up in their heads.


Really not how it works hun.


It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".
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Postby The Daktanese Technocracy » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:28 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Really not how it works hun.


It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

It's not normal, but it's definitely okay. Jeez. I mean, I can see where your coming from with the whole "They're different" thing, but I think that's wonderful, not bad.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:30 pm

The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

It's not normal, but it's definitely okay. Jeez. I mean, I can see where your coming from with the whole "They're different" thing, but I think that's wonderful, not bad.


Diversity is good, when it's not based on trying to normalize a disorder.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:39 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:It's not normal, but it's definitely okay. Jeez. I mean, I can see where your coming from with the whole "They're different" thing, but I think that's wonderful, not bad.


Diversity is good, when it's not based on trying to normalize a disorder.


How is it a disorder?
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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The Steel Magnolia
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:45 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Diversity is good, when it's not based on trying to normalize a disorder.


How is it a disorder?


That too, actually, since GID was removed from the DSM-V.

While there's still problematic bits, especially with the "transvestism" part, being trans* technically isn't a disorder anymore.

E: Spelling.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:46 pm

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:52 pm

Fixed, thanks.

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Postby The Truth and Light » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:35 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Really not how it works hun.


It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

I am confused. You admit to have total, ridiculously complete ignorance to how transgender psychology works. You don't know where it comes from, you don't know how they think, you don't know what causes it, common traits, chemical affects, or anything else that is possible used in clinical psychology to classify, understand, and analyze personality types, trauma, disorders, or anything like that.

And despite your ignorance, despite your lack of knowledge on the subject and apparent lack of experience interacting with transgender people, you go ahead and say, "FUCK ALL YALL" to the scientific, psychiatric, neuroscientific, genetic, and transgender communities. And what do you go with? "Oh it's just not common, so it's can't be considered good."

You have committed the worst, most disgusting genetic fallacy I have ever seen.
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Postby Auremena » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:43 pm

All of the above, really. I'm strange like that.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:45 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Daktanese Technocracy wrote:It's not normal, but it's definitely okay. Jeez. I mean, I can see where your coming from with the whole "They're different" thing, but I think that's wonderful, not bad.


Diversity is good, when it's not based on trying to normalize a disorder.


So we should ostracize, say, people with an autistic spectrum disorder like, I don't know, Asperger's? Or how about bipolar people? After all, they suffer from disorders and, according to your logic, disorders shouldn't be seen as normal and people who suffer from them shouldn't be seen as normal either, again, if we follow your line of thinking.
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Postby Kartvelistan » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:22 pm

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Kartvelistan wrote:I'm a pansexual, but I picked bi since there was no choice for Pan. :B

I admire you pans. It'd be nice if I myself had such broad tastes, but I just can't help that I'm picky 'bout my private parts. :lol2:

It's kinda interesting to see everyone's personal tastes in such a way. ouo I mean, it's like a type of food. Some may like sweet foods, other sour. For me, food is food and I just love it.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:47 pm

Kartvelistan wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:I admire you pans. It'd be nice if I myself had such broad tastes, but I just can't help that I'm picky 'bout my private parts. :lol2:

It's kinda interesting to see everyone's personal tastes in such a way. ouo I mean, it's like a type of food. Some may like sweet foods, other sour. For me, food is food and I just love it.


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Ende
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Postby Ende » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:54 pm

I think I'm a monkey, even though I don't really know what a monkey thinks like, but, on the other hand, species are a mental construct, anyway.

So, obviously, I'm a monkey.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:57 pm

Ende wrote:I think I'm a monkey, even though I don't really know what a monkey thinks like, but, on the other hand, species are a mental construct, anyway.

So, obviously, I'm a monkey.


Bad monkey, you know you're not allowed on the computer. No bananas for you.
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Postby Choronzon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:04 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
I didn't think those existed anymore!!! It's a miracle!!!

Wait, do you mean actual heterosexual or the transexual definition of heterosexual?

What is the difference?

Alaje finds one icky.

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Postby Choronzon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:06 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Really not how it works hun.


It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

I've asked this multiple times and never received an answer beyond "Because its gross," but why shouldn't it be considered normal, beyond it bothering you?

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:15 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

I've asked this multiple times and never received an answer beyond "Because its gross," but why shouldn't it be considered normal, beyond it bothering you?


Well, depends on your definition of normal...(this coming from a pan). If by normal you mean usual or common, it isn't. If by normal you mean another accept of humanity/sexuality however...
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Postby Aleckandor » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:15 pm

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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:17 pm

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Postby Choronzon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:19 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I've asked this multiple times and never received an answer beyond "Because its gross," but why shouldn't it be considered normal, beyond it bothering you?


Well, depends on your definition of normal...(this coming from a pan). If by normal you mean usual or common, it isn't. If by normal you mean another accept of humanity/sexuality however...

Thats nice, but its irrelevant to my question.

I want Alaje to tell me why people like transsexuals or any sort of "alternative sexuality" should not ever be considered "ok". Which he wont. Well, he'll give me all this rhetoric about how its unnatural and wrong but he wont actually say why. It just comes down to him wanting to demonize things he doesn't like. It would be way more respectable if he just said "I want it to be considered wrong because I think its gross."
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Postby Wamitoria » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:36 pm

Choronzon wrote:I want Alaje to tell me why things like transsexuals or any sort of "alternative sexuality" should not ever be considered "ok". Which he wont. Well, he'll give me all this rhetoric about how its unnatural and wrong but he wont actually say why. It just comes down to him wanting to demonize things he doesn't like. It would be way more respectable if he just said "I want it to be considered wrong because I think its gross."

I don't really understand why anyone bothers to have a problem with people's own personal choices regarding gender identity and sexuality.

Unless you're hurting others, I personally don't give a flying fuck.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:40 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I want Alaje to tell me why things like transsexuals or any sort of "alternative sexuality" should not ever be considered "ok". Which he wont. Well, he'll give me all this rhetoric about how its unnatural and wrong but he wont actually say why. It just comes down to him wanting to demonize things he doesn't like. It would be way more respectable if he just said "I want it to be considered wrong because I think its gross."

I don't really understand why anyone bothers to have a problem with people's own personal choices regarding gender identity and sexuality.

Unless you're hurting others, I personally don't give a flying fuck.


I agree with you there. However, according to Alaje, that's a dangerous way of thinking because it wrong to accept other people's way of being, pertaining to their personal sexual identity. because they're deviations and not normal.

I call bullshit on that but you know how it will go.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:54 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
It doesn't matter, it is the same nonetheless. Whether is genetic, mental, whatever, it is an anomaly that must not be permitted onto the stage of what is perceived as "perfectly normal" or "ok".

I am confused. You admit to have total, ridiculously complete ignorance to how transgender psychology works. You don't know where it comes from, you don't know how they think, you don't know what causes it, common traits, chemical affects, or anything else that is possible used in clinical psychology to classify, understand, and analyze personality types, trauma, disorders, or anything like that.

And despite your ignorance, despite your lack of knowledge on the subject and apparent lack of experience interacting with transgender people, you go ahead and say, "FUCK ALL YALL" to the scientific, psychiatric, neuroscientific, genetic, and transgender communities. And what do you go with? "Oh it's just not common, so it's can't be considered good."

You have committed the worst, most disgusting genetic fallacy I have ever seen.


My reasoning isn't so much about it being "uncommon" as it is about it being illogical and not grounded in reality, no person in their right mind thinks or wants to be what they are not.


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Zweite Alaje wrote:
Diversity is good, when it's not based on trying to normalize a disorder.


So we should ostracize, say, people with an autistic spectrum disorder like, I don't know, Asperger's? Or how about bipolar people? After all, they suffer from disorders and, according to your logic, disorders shouldn't be seen as normal and people who suffer from them shouldn't be seen as normal either, again, if we follow your line of thinking.


Ostracize, no, that's not what I'm going for. All the disorders you listed are just that, disorders, anomalies, that are not normal and we shouldn't tell people with them they are normal. What do we do with people with illnesses? We treat them, medicine and therapy.

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The Truth and Light wrote:What is the difference?

Alaje finds one icky.


Um, no.
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Postby Choronzon » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:25 pm

Choronzon wrote:I've asked this multiple times and never received an answer beyond "Because its gross," but why shouldn't it be considered normal, beyond it bothering you?

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:38 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I've asked this multiple times and never received an answer beyond "Because its gross," but why shouldn't it be considered normal, beyond it bothering you?


>Transexuallity
> Trans thinks their something they're not
> People that think they're something they're not aren't mentally healthy
> People wish to normalize an unhealthy mental state
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