Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Trollgaard]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

So true, yet so many people can't see the truth in front of them and they know it to be true. That is the worst form of cowardice and stupidity I have seen.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Mavorpen]

And you can prove that he intended to kill them?

You never asked if she could determine his intent was to kill.

You asked how her life was in immediate danger and I gave you the reason.

So...you expect him to have just accidentally slipped, fell, and hit the woman with the crowbar? Because other than that, I'm not sure how having an intention to kill isn't putting the woman in immediate danger.

[Galdius]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

So what your saying is the Jews deserved the Holocaust because we didn't leave when Adolf Hitler told us to leave.

annnnddd the Nazis have been brought up...

[New Nassrau]

It's her fault, that he broke into her home?

Brilliant logic, sir. I'm appauled at your brilliance! [/sarcasm]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

You've got to understand she didn't know who this is and didn't go to the door, I don't answer the door when solicitors come to my door

[Trollgaard]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

So what your saying is the Jews deserved the Holocaust because we didn't leave when Adolf Hitler told us to leave.

That seems to be what they are implying.

[Unilisia]

Wow... just wow. That's your whole argument here? It's her fault the guy broke in because she refused to answer the door. She's a bad person for shooting the man because he never would have broken in if she'd just answered the door. Because home invasions NEVER start when someone answers the door when a stranger comes knocking.

She has a fucking right to not answer the door. I hardly ever answer my door. Matter of fact, I NEVER answer my door unless I'm expecting someone. Why? Because chances are I don't fucking know you and I don't want to talk to you. That's my right. Even if I do know you, if you show up unannounced, I'm still not going to answer. Her not answering the door is NOT an excuse for him to break in. She saw the guy from her office window. She already knew that he was not a person that she knows. So let's just open the door and see if the random stranger who is so insistent on getting in has a weapon or not... Great fucking plan, jackass.
I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

Then its her fault that she made the robber believe no one was home. I find it funny that you believe that just because her house got broken into, doesnt mean its partly her fault. Victimization at its best.[/quote]

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day. Your logic makes no sense. The robber shouldn't have been trying to rob her in the first place, and even if she actually wasn't home, she'd still be the victim, he'd still be in the wrong, the only difference is that he'd be arrested, not shot for entering someones home and threatening their life.

[Dilange]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

So what your saying is the Jews deserved the Holocaust because we didn't leave when Adolf Hitler told us to leave.

Bad strawman. You should know better. Those two events are not the same, dont even attempt to say they are.

[Shayul Ghul]

Wow... just wow. That's your whole argument here? It's her fault the guy broke in because she refused to answer the door. She's a bad person for shooting the man because he never would have broken in if she'd just answered the door. Because home invasions NEVER start when someone answers the door when a stranger comes knocking.

She has a fucking right to not answer the door. I hardly ever answer my door. Matter of fact, I NEVER answer my door unless I'm expecting someone. Why? Because chances are I don't fucking know you and I don't want to talk to you. That's my right. Even if I do know you, if you show up unannounced, I'm still not going to answer. Her not answering the door is NOT an excuse for him to break in. She saw the guy from her office window. She already knew that he was not a person that she knows. So let's just open the door and see if the random stranger who is so insistent on getting in has a weapon or not... Great fucking plan, jackass.
I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

Then its her fault that she made the robber believe no one was home. I find it funny that you believe that just because her house got broken into, doesnt mean its partly her fault. Victimization at its best.[/quote]

Victimization? You're the one trying to make it sound like this woman victimized the criminal by not answering the door! That's bullshit. I'm done arguing with you sir. You are clearly fucking insane. Oh, she doesn't answer the door so she's a bad guy, not the guy who breaks in. All of this insanity just so you can sit here and say that she shouldn't have shot a fucking scumbag. Hey, come round my house, asshole. Knock all you want, I won't answer. And I just hope to god you try to force your way in...

[The House of Isaac]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

So what your saying is the Jews deserved the Holocaust because we didn't leave when Adolf Hitler told us to leave.

Yes and no, but I am speaking through myself. I am too submissive sometimes. I would have left since I try and get on the superior's good side. Yes, I suck up to other people.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

It's her fault, that he broke into her home?

Brilliant logic, sir. I'm appauled at your brilliance! [/sarcasm]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

Robbers also commit crimes in broad daylight when people are home.

If I choose to hide in my closet and not answer the door, no harm befalls me or the person at my door. The minute they come back with a crowbar and start hacking down my door, I am inclined to defend my home.

Honestly, your argument has been used many times over and over. Mostly during the cases of rape, but this is the first I've heard of self-defense during home invasion.

[The House of Isaac]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

You've got to understand she didn't know who this is and didn't go to the door, I don't answer the door when solicitors come to my door

I do, but I say not interested.

[Ralkovia]

So what your saying is the Jews deserved the Holocaust because we didn't leave when Adolf Hitler told us to leave.

Bad strawman. You should know better. Those two events are not the same, dont even attempt to say they are.

Not at all. You're implying that the outcome is her fault. I'm implying "We, The Jews, deserved the Holocaust, because we didn't leave when we were told to leave."

[Coccygia]

On the whole, I think both sides in this particular "debate" sound like idiots. "This proves everybody needs to have a fully automatic assault rifle with a 100-round clip and no background checks!" "Boo hoo, she should not have shot him because violence is never the answer!"

My apologies to any one who did not take one or the other of these positions.

Says the guy whose flag has a coccyx on it. I can never take you seriously now, and I took both positions.

...you took both positions and you're saying you can't take ME seriously??? And how dare you insult our national symbol! I say good day to you, sir! Good day!

[Hallistar]

It's her fault, that he broke into her home?

Brilliant logic, sir. I'm appauled at your brilliance! [/sarcasm]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

That doesn't mean robbers are typically un-armed, it means that it's going to typically be something like a knife or other melee weapon (or perhaps a gun). He in this case had a crowbar.

And how do you know that if she had answered it, he would've been like "Oh sorry ma'am I didn't know you were here" and left? Like I said, it's strange that she didn't respond to the door, but it in no way justifies him breaking in.

[The House of Isaac]

Says the guy whose flag has a coccyx on it. I can never take you seriously now, and I took both positions.

...you took both positions and you're saying you can't take ME seriously??? And how dare you insult our national symbol! I say good day to you, sir! Good day!

Good day to you too and I like coccyxes...they are so whimsy.

[Dilange]

Victimization? You're the one trying to make it sound like this woman victimized the criminal by not answering the door! That's bullshit. I'm done arguing with you sir. You are clearly fucking insane. Oh, she doesn't answer the door so she's a bad guy, not the guy who breaks in. All of this insanity just so you can sit here and say that she shouldn't have shot a fucking scumbag. Hey, come round my house, asshole. Knock all you want, I won't answer. And I just hope to god you try to force your way in...

Never said that. I said the first time, you answer the door when someone is knocking. If you just stand up there and just do nothing as this man pounds on the door for an extended time period, you are giving the illusion that no ones home. That was her fault. However, the man committed a crime to break and enter and intent of robbery. He discovered her as he opened an area and got shot. Saying that this man deserved to die is just terrible. Hes still a man.

However, when you shove words into my mouth that I didnt say or call me names, I feel that you are just arguing without reading.

[Miss Defied]

Victimization? You're the one trying to make it sound like this woman victimized the criminal by not answering the door! That's bullshit. I'm done arguing with you sir. You are clearly fucking insane. Oh, she doesn't answer the door so she's a bad guy, not the guy who breaks in. All of this insanity just so you can sit here and say that she shouldn't have shot a fucking scumbag. Hey, come round my house, asshole. Knock all you want, I won't answer. And I just hope to god you try to force your way in...

Never said that. I said the first time, you answer the door when someone is knocking. If you just stand up there and just do nothing as this man pounds on the door for an extended time period, you are giving the illusion that no ones home. That was her fault. However, the man committed a crime to break and enter and intent of robbery. He discovered her as he opened an area and got shot. Saying that this man deserved to die is just terrible. Hes still a man.

However, when you shove words into my mouth that I didnt say or call me names, I feel that you are just arguing without reading.

He's also not dead. One more fact that you just can't seem to understand.

[Dilange]

Bad strawman. You should know better. Those two events are not the same, dont even attempt to say they are.

Not at all. You're implying that the outcome is her fault. I'm implying "We, The Jews, deserved the Holocaust, because we didn't leave when we were told to leave."

Im implying that is part of her fault, its a collective of fuckups. However, when someone refers to my religion and uses it as an argument against me I find it insulting, and I dont care if you are Jewish either. I dont take kindly to people who do that.

[New Nassrau]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

That doesn't mean robbers are typically un-armed, it means that it's going to typically be something like a knife or other melee weapon (or perhaps a gun). He in this case had a crowbar.

And how do you know that if she had answered it, he would've been like "Oh sorry ma'am I didn't know you were here" and left? Like I said, it's strange that she didn't respond to the door, but it in no way justifies him breaking in.

Its not strange that she answered the door, she saw someone she didn't know then hid

[Trollgaard]

Victimization? You're the one trying to make it sound like this woman victimized the criminal by not answering the door! That's bullshit. I'm done arguing with you sir. You are clearly fucking insane. Oh, she doesn't answer the door so she's a bad guy, not the guy who breaks in. All of this insanity just so you can sit here and say that she shouldn't have shot a fucking scumbag. Hey, come round my house, asshole. Knock all you want, I won't answer. And I just hope to god you try to force your way in...

Never said that. I said the first time, you answer the door when someone is knocking. If you just stand up there and just do nothing as this man pounds on the door for an extended time period, you are giving the illusion that no ones home. That was her fault. However, the man committed a crime to break and enter and intent of robbery. He discovered her as he opened an area and got shot. Saying that this man deserved to die is just terrible. Hes still a man.

However, when you shove words into my mouth that I didnt say or call me names, I feel that you are just arguing without reading.

You don't have to answer the door. its odd if you don't, but you don't have to. Get off your high horse there, bud.

[Dilange]

Never said that. I said the first time, you answer the door when someone is knocking. If you just stand up there and just do nothing as this man pounds on the door for an extended time period, you are giving the illusion that no ones home. That was her fault. However, the man committed a crime to break and enter and intent of robbery. He discovered her as he opened an area and got shot. Saying that this man deserved to die is just terrible. Hes still a man.

However, when you shove words into my mouth that I didnt say or call me names, I feel that you are just arguing without reading.

He's also not dead. One more fact that you just can't seem to understand.

Never said he was dead. Some people in here have said he is better dead than alive.

[Ralkovia]

Technically. Do robbers usually rob houses when people are home? Usually no. If you are home and there is someone at your door, you answer it. Not go take your gun and make your closet Fort Irrational.

That doesn't mean robbers are typically un-armed, it means that it's going to typically be something like a knife or other melee weapon (or perhaps a gun). He in this case had a crowbar.

And how do you know that if she had answered it, he would've been like "Oh sorry ma'am I didn't know you were here" and left? Like I said, it's strange that she didn't respond to the door, but it in no way justifies him breaking in.

So I need to start answering the door for everyone, even Jehovah Witnesses. People need to stop sympathizing with evil so much. His intention was criminal, he got what was deserved.

[Slarvainian]

the woman fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

ummm, what kind of gun was she using?

[Hallistar]

Victimization? You're the one trying to make it sound like this woman victimized the criminal by not answering the door! That's bullshit. I'm done arguing with you sir. You are clearly fucking insane. Oh, she doesn't answer the door so she's a bad guy, not the guy who breaks in. All of this insanity just so you can sit here and say that she shouldn't have shot a fucking scumbag. Hey, come round my house, asshole. Knock all you want, I won't answer. And I just hope to god you try to force your way in...

Never said that. I said the first time, you answer the door when someone is knocking. If you just stand up there and just do nothing as this man pounds on the door for an extended time period, you are giving the illusion that no ones home. That was her fault. However, the man committed a crime to break and enter and intent of robbery. He discovered her as he opened an area and got shot. Saying that this man deserved to die is just terrible. Hes still a man.

However, when you shove words into my mouth that I didnt say or call me names, I feel that you are just arguing without reading.

She doesn't fucking have to. She didn't like the look of the guy, and decided not to. Then he proceeds to break in, found their hiding space, and got what was coming to him.

Thats a bad argument. She didnt have to open the door. THen its her damn fault that the guy broke in.

^^That's basically you saying it was her fault the guy broke in.

[Trollgaard]

That doesn't mean robbers are typically un-armed, it means that it's going to typically be something like a knife or other melee weapon (or perhaps a gun). He in this case had a crowbar.

And how do you know that if she had answered it, he would've been like "Oh sorry ma'am I didn't know you were here" and left? Like I said, it's strange that she didn't respond to the door, but it in no way justifies him breaking in.

So I need to start answering the door for everyone, even Jehovah Witnesses. People need to stop sympathizing with evil so much. His intention was criminal, he got what was deserved.

Damn right.