Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

It isn't. It became accurate once he equiped his crowbar and planned to level up his looting skill.

I guess he gave up on his lockpicking skill.

Should've leveled up intellect. Mhm.

[Dilange]

And once again, I have to ask, Mr. Fucking Know It All, how in god's green earth does she know that? How, how, does she know he's not armed with a gun? How does she know that he only has a crowbar? Oh, I guess the trespasser was buck naked, so it's pretty clear that the only thing he had on him was what's in his hand? Hey, this isn't a fucking movie or a video game! People carrying guns don't just walk around with them in hand waiting for a chance to shoot someone. How is she supposed to know that he doesn't have a gun tucked into his pants? Furthermore, from the sounds of the reports, when said trespasser finds the family, mom and criminal are pretty much face to face. He already has a crowbar out. So your reasoning is that she should have given this asshole the chance to attack her and her children? As for holding a gun on the guy and hoping that does the trick, I've already addressed that. It's a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. A good deal of home invasions end in the murder of the resident when said resident doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger and instead just sits there with a gun in hand hoping the criminal will run away. But I guess to your line of reasoning, it's okay if the mom and her two children get killed, so long as they gave the repeat offender a chance...

This is how she could have know. Are you ready? It might be hard to understand and hard to do but I think you can do it.

She could open the door and say hello.

I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

[Trollgaard]

He most likely wasn't, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying people have instincts, or gut feelings if you will, on certain people and situations. Her's were correct.

Then what was "wrong"?

What? The fact that the loser broke into the house? I don't know what you're asking.

[The House of Isaac]

On the whole, I think both sides in this particular "debate" sound like idiots. "This proves everybody needs to have a fully automatic assault rifle with a 100-round clip and no background checks!" "Boo hoo, she should not have shot him because violence is never the answer!"

My apologies to any one who did not take one or the other of these positions.

Says the guy whose flag has a coccyx on it. I can never take you seriously now, and I took both positions.

[Hornesia]

Another case of guns saving lives. Good thing we have the second amendment.

Yeah because the intruder was definitely intent on murdering her and her children, that's why he knocked and rang the doorbell, to see if anyone was home. He assumed nobody was and broke in.

She murdered him, plain and simple, on a hunch. yay guns.

He survived for a while in the hospital for sure, haven't been keeping up on it but as of 2 nights ago he was alive. And yes, I'm from Georgia.

[Trollgaard]

And once again, I have to ask, Mr. Fucking Know It All, how in god's green earth does she know that? How, how, does she know he's not armed with a gun? How does she know that he only has a crowbar? Oh, I guess the trespasser was buck naked, so it's pretty clear that the only thing he had on him was what's in his hand? Hey, this isn't a fucking movie or a video game! People carrying guns don't just walk around with them in hand waiting for a chance to shoot someone. How is she supposed to know that he doesn't have a gun tucked into his pants? Furthermore, from the sounds of the reports, when said trespasser finds the family, mom and criminal are pretty much face to face. He already has a crowbar out. So your reasoning is that she should have given this asshole the chance to attack her and her children? As for holding a gun on the guy and hoping that does the trick, I've already addressed that. It's a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. A good deal of home invasions end in the murder of the resident when said resident doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger and instead just sits there with a gun in hand hoping the criminal will run away. But I guess to your line of reasoning, it's okay if the mom and her two children get killed, so long as they gave the repeat offender a chance...

This is how she could have know. Are you ready? It might be hard to understand and hard to do but I think you can do it.

She could open the door and say hello.

I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

She doesn't fucking have to. She didn't like the look of the guy, and decided not to. Then he proceeds to break in, found their hiding space, and got what was coming to him.

[Hallistar]

To clear up any confusion, it's true that she hid before he broke in, and according to the AJC (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/moth ... ots/nTnGR/), she assumed it was a solicitor and told her children not to answer.

Another clarification is that she was with her children in a closet (The shape/size of which is still unknown), in her attic-office (According to the same article).

Once again, her actions in hiding and getting her husband to call 9/11 prior to the door being bashed in with a crowbar does seem strange/weird, but hiding isn't going to harm a mailman or whatever if they go back to their normal business. It's still odd/annoying, but legally acceptable.

[New Nassrau]

And once again, I have to ask, Mr. Fucking Know It All, how in god's green earth does she know that? How, how, does she know he's not armed with a gun? How does she know that he only has a crowbar? Oh, I guess the trespasser was buck naked, so it's pretty clear that the only thing he had on him was what's in his hand? Hey, this isn't a fucking movie or a video game! People carrying guns don't just walk around with them in hand waiting for a chance to shoot someone. How is she supposed to know that he doesn't have a gun tucked into his pants? Furthermore, from the sounds of the reports, when said trespasser finds the family, mom and criminal are pretty much face to face. He already has a crowbar out. So your reasoning is that she should have given this asshole the chance to attack her and her children? As for holding a gun on the guy and hoping that does the trick, I've already addressed that. It's a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. A good deal of home invasions end in the murder of the resident when said resident doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger and instead just sits there with a gun in hand hoping the criminal will run away. But I guess to your line of reasoning, it's okay if the mom and her two children get killed, so long as they gave the repeat offender a chance...

This is how she could have know. Are you ready? It might be hard to understand and hard to do but I think you can do it.

She could open the door and say hello.

I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

Yes, when I see a man grab a crowbar and not recognize him or know he was coming, then I would absolutely love to go to the door, he might hit me some, people here think that doesn't matter

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

And once again, I have to ask, Mr. Fucking Know It All, how in god's green earth does she know that? How, how, does she know he's not armed with a gun? How does she know that he only has a crowbar? Oh, I guess the trespasser was buck naked, so it's pretty clear that the only thing he had on him was what's in his hand? Hey, this isn't a fucking movie or a video game! People carrying guns don't just walk around with them in hand waiting for a chance to shoot someone. How is she supposed to know that he doesn't have a gun tucked into his pants? Furthermore, from the sounds of the reports, when said trespasser finds the family, mom and criminal are pretty much face to face. He already has a crowbar out. So your reasoning is that she should have given this asshole the chance to attack her and her children? As for holding a gun on the guy and hoping that does the trick, I've already addressed that. It's a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. A good deal of home invasions end in the murder of the resident when said resident doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger and instead just sits there with a gun in hand hoping the criminal will run away. But I guess to your line of reasoning, it's okay if the mom and her two children get killed, so long as they gave the repeat offender a chance...

This is how she could have know. Are you ready? It might be hard to understand and hard to do but I think you can do it.

She could open the door and say hello.

I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

She's not required to open the door, say hello, and invite him in for a cup of tea.

Then again, he's not required to break into her house with a crowbar and look around the place.

[Galdius]

And once again, I have to ask, Mr. Fucking Know It All, how in god's green earth does she know that? How, how, does she know he's not armed with a gun? How does she know that he only has a crowbar? Oh, I guess the trespasser was buck naked, so it's pretty clear that the only thing he had on him was what's in his hand? Hey, this isn't a fucking movie or a video game! People carrying guns don't just walk around with them in hand waiting for a chance to shoot someone. How is she supposed to know that he doesn't have a gun tucked into his pants? Furthermore, from the sounds of the reports, when said trespasser finds the family, mom and criminal are pretty much face to face. He already has a crowbar out. So your reasoning is that she should have given this asshole the chance to attack her and her children? As for holding a gun on the guy and hoping that does the trick, I've already addressed that. It's a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. A good deal of home invasions end in the murder of the resident when said resident doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger and instead just sits there with a gun in hand hoping the criminal will run away. But I guess to your line of reasoning, it's okay if the mom and her two children get killed, so long as they gave the repeat offender a chance...

This is how she could have know. Are you ready? It might be hard to understand and hard to do but I think you can do it.

She could open the door and say hello.

I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

*looks out window* oh there's a shady looking guy at my door, better go answer it.

[Ralkovia]

So she shot someone dead because he wanted to take her things.

Sorry, I don't particularly care for that.

Now she'll forever live with herself reliving that moment of killing that man - hope she's ok with that.

He could have raped her, he could have murderer her child, he could have done a lot of things.

LRN2GAMETHEORY

2 people who don't know how the other will react. She did what was in her best interest.

Waiting around to find out what the criminal wants would be ridiculous.

Game Theory is impartial and Game Theory is best.

[Mavorpen]

Then what was "wrong"?

What? The fact that the loser broke into the house? I don't know what you're asking.

And thus her life was in immediate danger how?

[The House of Isaac]

Yeah because the intruder was definitely intent on murdering her and her children, that's why he knocked and rang the doorbell, to see if anyone was home. He assumed nobody was and broke in.

She murdered him, plain and simple, on a hunch. yay guns.

He survived for a while in the hospital for sure, haven't been keeping up on it but as of 2 nights ago he was alive. And yes, I'm from Georgia.

I am sorry you and I have to live here. My sympathies, Hornesia.

[Caninope]

It qualifies as malice afterthought because it shows that she had a the presence of mind to arm herself. This would only apply in jurisdictions wherein she did not have the right to shoot the intruder in a home invasion though.

Really? In what jurisdictions would what the mother did be considered malice?

Before we go any further, I will admit that I only know realized she was hiding when she shot the man, and she didn't confront him.

However, in a fair number of jurisdictions, grabbing a gun would satisfy malice afterthought for second degree murder. I remember a case in Colorado a few years back where, in discussion, Neo Art pulled out a court case showing that was the case in Colorado. AFAIK, that's fairly common.

With that said, I was referring more generally to grabbing a gun than to this mother's specific actions, which are clearly excusable under Georgia law.

[Mavorpen]

This is how she could have know. Are you ready? It might be hard to understand and hard to do but I think you can do it.

She could open the door and say hello.

I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

*looks out window* oh there's a shady looking guy at my door, better go answer it.

And you would know this how? Unless being black means you're automatically shady.

[Trollgaard]

What? The fact that the loser broke into the house? I don't know what you're asking.

And thus her life was in immediate danger how?

She probably felt it was. A strange man breaking into her home while her, and her two children are home.

[Dilange]

She doesn't fucking have to. She didn't like the look of the guy, and decided not to. Then he proceeds to break in, found their hiding space, and got what was coming to him.

Thats a bad argument. She didnt have to open the door. THen its her damn fault that the guy broke in.

[New Nassrau]

What? The fact that the loser broke into the house? I don't know what you're asking.

And thus her life was in immediate danger how?

There's always the "what if" to her, he could've been out to kill her

[Ralkovia]

What? The fact that the loser broke into the house? I don't know what you're asking.

And thus her life was in immediate danger how?

Game Theory: Prisoner's Dilemma.

[Dilange]

*looks out window* oh there's a shady looking guy at my door, better go answer it.

And you would know this how? Unless being black means you're automatically shady.

Ask George Zimmerman

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

What? The fact that the loser broke into the house? I don't know what you're asking.

And thus her life was in immediate danger how?

The exact minute the intruder found her and cornered her in the closet-attic thing.

After smashing her door down with his crowbar, I would not expect for him to ask me how's my day been.

[Shayul Ghul]

And once again, I have to ask, Mr. Fucking Know It All, how in god's green earth does she know that? How, how, does she know he's not armed with a gun? How does she know that he only has a crowbar? Oh, I guess the trespasser was buck naked, so it's pretty clear that the only thing he had on him was what's in his hand? Hey, this isn't a fucking movie or a video game! People carrying guns don't just walk around with them in hand waiting for a chance to shoot someone. How is she supposed to know that he doesn't have a gun tucked into his pants? Furthermore, from the sounds of the reports, when said trespasser finds the family, mom and criminal are pretty much face to face. He already has a crowbar out. So your reasoning is that she should have given this asshole the chance to attack her and her children? As for holding a gun on the guy and hoping that does the trick, I've already addressed that. It's a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. A good deal of home invasions end in the murder of the resident when said resident doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger and instead just sits there with a gun in hand hoping the criminal will run away. But I guess to your line of reasoning, it's okay if the mom and her two children get killed, so long as they gave the repeat offender a chance...

This is how she could have know. Are you ready? It might be hard to understand and hard to do but I think you can do it.

She could open the door and say hello.



Wow... just wow. That's your whole argument here? It's her fault the guy broke in because she refused to answer the door. She's a bad person for shooting the man because he never would have broken in if she'd just answered the door. Because home invasions NEVER start when someone answers the door when a stranger comes knocking.

She has a fucking right to not answer the door. I hardly ever answer my door. Matter of fact, I NEVER answer my door unless I'm expecting someone. Why? Because chances are I don't fucking know you and I don't want to talk to you. That's my right. Even if I do know you, if you show up unannounced, I'm still not going to answer. Her not answering the door is NOT an excuse for him to break in. She saw the guy from her office window. She already knew that he was not a person that she knows. So let's just open the door and see if the random stranger who is so insistent on getting in has a weapon or not... Great fucking plan, jackass.
I KNOW SO HARD A CONCEPT!!!

[New Nassrau]

She doesn't fucking have to. She didn't like the look of the guy, and decided not to. Then he proceeds to break in, found their hiding space, and got what was coming to him.

Thats a bad argument. She didnt have to open the door. THen its her damn fault that the guy broke in.

Well, when solicitors come to my house and I don't answer the door... so if they break in, its my fault?

[The House of Isaac]

*looks out window* oh there's a shady looking guy at my door, better go answer it.

And you would know this how? Unless being black means you're automatically shady.

Be wary of people, but trust them. People like if you are simple. Then plot to take over them. Then do it. Works every time.

[The House of Isaac]

Thats a bad argument. She didnt have to open the door. THen its her damn fault that the guy broke in.

Well, when solicitors come to my house and I don't answer the door... so if they break in, its my fault?

Yes and no.