Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Hallistar]

I like how people think its perfectly okay and rational that when someone you do not recognize is at the door, you grab a gun and hide in the closet thinking "ERM MER GERD, ITZ ER MERDERER."

At the moment, the article didn't state whether she had a peep-hole on her door or not, nor did it mention a door-chain, but the outcome of her asking who it was and the response is debateable.

Just because she might've asked 'who is it?' doesn't mean for a fact that the intruder would have not tried entering in at all.

I agree that her course of actions in hiding and grabbing her gun prior to the man breaking in does seem somewhat irrational, but it's not like she was harming anyone by hiding. She's not legally obligated to answer the door, and I don't see how it mitigates at all the man breaking in the door with a crow-bar.

Her not answering the door is more 'weird/overprotective' than it is some kind of justification for why the man might've decided to break-in.

[The House of Isaac]

When are they ever right?

Instincts? A lot of the time. Like in this instance.

[Dilange]

I like how people think its perfectly okay and rational that when someone you do not recognize is at the door, you grab a gun and hide in the closet thinking "ERM MER GERD, ITZ ER MERDERER."

Turned out to be pretty accurate in this instance. People have instincts, you know.

Id think of plenty of things before he was goign to kill me, but tis Atlanta different mindset.

[Mavorpen]

What a strange position to do with a banana.

I've seen people do worse.

Dat hentai.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

I would, and did people not read the fact that she saw the he went to the door with a crowbar from her window. I would be scared, he had a weapon.

No she didnt, she hid before that.

I think you have the right to bolt into your attic and hide if you suspect the man is here with the intent to harm you. If he walks away and ignores you, all is good and fine.

If he, like in this situation, comes back with a crowbar and smashes your door down - that's a different thing entirely.

[Mavorpen]

I like how people think its perfectly okay and rational that when someone you do not recognize is at the door, you grab a gun and hide in the closet thinking "ERM MER GERD, ITZ ER MERDERER."

Turned out to be pretty accurate in this instance. People have instincts, you know.

What? How was that accurate?

[The House of Isaac]

Should I leave...I seem to be a bother.

[Miss Defied]

I would, and did people not read the fact that she saw the he went to the door with a crowbar from her window. I would be scared, he had a weapon.

No she didnt, she hid before that.

Wrong

The mother said that from her office window, she could see the suspect, whom police have identified as Paul Ali Slater, forcing his way into the house with a crowbar.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/3 ... z2HEWxyuV0

How long have you been posting in this thread, and you still haven't read any sources?

[New Nassrau]

I would, and did people not read the fact that she saw the he went to the door with a crowbar from her window. I would be scared, he had a weapon.

No she didnt, she hid before that.

"According CBS 6, when no one answered the door, the stranger reportedly went back to his car and returned with a crowbar. The Blaze reports the mother said that from her office window, she could see the suspect"

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

Turned out to be pretty accurate in this instance. People have instincts, you know.

What? How was that accurate?

It isn't. It became accurate once he equiped his crowbar and planned to level up his looting skill.

[Trollgaard]

Turned out to be pretty accurate in this instance. People have instincts, you know.

What? How was that accurate?

It seems like she had a bad feeling about this guy, which turned out to be accurate. Maybe she saw the crowbar, maybe she didn't. Either way she thought something was wrong, which turned out to be right.

[Mavorpen]

What? How was that accurate?

It isn't. It became accurate once he equiped his crowbar and planned to level up his looting skill.

I guess he gave up on his lockpicking skill.

[Gear 1]

The asshole who made the CHOICE to do wrong to another, regardless of the severity, is better off dead in my book.

Get a load of this guy.

So, if it's just a miniscule thing, such as stealing a cupcake, you're gonna chop him into pieces?

You have a phenomenal capacity for questioning others. Why not ask yourself?

If someone was in my home stealing a cupcake, that's not harm to me. Wake up and make a cogent argument. How they got into my home to access the said cupcake is sufficient for me to have every right to stop them, because I have walls and doors and locks and property and a reasonable desire for that area to be mine and my family's and its sanctity not to be trespassed on or otherwise violated. That is my reasonable right to self-determination, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Cross that boundary, and you get what I have to give. I do not apologize for it one bit.

[Mavorpen]

What? How was that accurate?

It seems like she had a bad feeling about this guy, which turned out to be accurate. Maybe she saw the crowbar, maybe she didn't. Either way she thought something was wrong, which turned out to be right.

And how do you know the guy was a murderer?

[Shayul Ghul]

What are you talking about "right"? There is no time for that kind of bullshit when your faced with a life or death situation and only a couple of meager seconds to react. The trespasser may have a gun or he may not, but he's broken into your home and the risk of him killing you is to great to ignore. Either risk your life second guessing and asking moralistic questions or open fire and kill the son of a bitch that shouldn't be there in the first place. Sure, it's easy for a bystander or someone who reads about it in an article to ask all kinds of questions and theorize about what "could" have happened, but for the person that is actually there, with only a couple of seconds to make a life or death decision, there's no time for that shit. For someone in that situation, the choices are quite clear: shoot or die.

Life or death? Its just a fucking robbery. This isnt a movie where when people break into homes they are armed with assault rifles. The man had a crowbar, that was all. So either use common sense and rational thought or re-enact the scene from Taken? She did soemthing not rationally, then she opened fire on a man almost killing him. The point is that she almost killed a man with a gun. I refered to another home self-defense story where the man cut off the robber's arm. The man was robbing a house, you can do one of two things confront him with the gun pointed at him which seems entirely smart...or over react and hide and then panic fire when he reveals you because for all we know he could be a mass rapist murderer who kicks puppies.

And once again, I have to ask, Mr. Fucking Know It All, how in god's green earth does she know that? How, how, does she know he's not armed with a gun? How does she know that he only has a crowbar? Oh, I guess the trespasser was buck naked, so it's pretty clear that the only thing he had on him was what's in his hand? Hey, this isn't a fucking movie or a video game! People carrying guns don't just walk around with them in hand waiting for a chance to shoot someone. How is she supposed to know that he doesn't have a gun tucked into his pants? Furthermore, from the sounds of the reports, when said trespasser finds the family, mom and criminal are pretty much face to face. He already has a crowbar out. So your reasoning is that she should have given this asshole the chance to attack her and her children? As for holding a gun on the guy and hoping that does the trick, I've already addressed that. It's a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. A good deal of home invasions end in the murder of the resident when said resident doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger and instead just sits there with a gun in hand hoping the criminal will run away. But I guess to your line of reasoning, it's okay if the mom and her two children get killed, so long as they gave the repeat offender a chance...

[Viritica]

The gun control advocates here are being foolish. Would you want this woman to be defenseless in this type of situation? Would you put your own children's lives at risk if this happened to you? The man forcibly broke into this woman's house and started going through her belongings. His intentions obviously weren't good. To say otherwise is completely ridiculous. The woman was defending herself and her children, plain and simple.

He was going through her belongings, not menacing her or her children. Her better option would have been to remain hidden and if he found her and the kids, then threaten him with the gun. Plain and simple. After all, the police were on the way, weren't they?

The woman was sitting in the closet with her children. The man found them. That's why she panicked and riddled him full of bullet holes. By the time the police got there the man could have done his dirty work. Stop acting like there was no possible threat.

[The House of Isaac]

Get a load of this guy.

So, if it's just a miniscule thing, such as stealing a cupcake, you're gonna chop him into pieces?

You have a phenomenal capacity for questioning others. Why not ask yourself?

If someone was in my home stealing a cupcake, that's not harm to me. Wake up and make a cogent argument. How they got into my home to access the said cupcake is sufficient for me to have every right to stop them, because I have walls and doors and locks and property and a reasonable desire for that area to be mine and my family's and its sanctity not to be trespassed on or otherwise violated. That is my reasonable right to self-determination, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Cross that boundary, and you get what I have to give. I do not apologize for it one bit.

Cogent was my calendar's word of the day. Thanks.

[Trollgaard]

It seems like she had a bad feeling about this guy, which turned out to be accurate. Maybe she saw the crowbar, maybe she didn't. Either way she thought something was wrong, which turned out to be right.

And how do you know the guy was a murderer?

He most likely wasn't, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying people have instincts, or gut feelings if you will, on certain people and situations. Her's were correct.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

He was going through her belongings, not menacing her or her children. Her better option would have been to remain hidden and if he found her and the kids, then threaten him with the gun. Plain and simple. After all, the police were on the way, weren't they?

The woman was sitting in the closet with her children. The man found them. That's why she panicked and riddled him full of bullet holes. By the time the police got there the man could have done his dirty work. Stop acting like there was no possible threat.

He survived the bullet wounds and remained consious long enough to get into his car and crash into someone's driveway, too.

[The Scandinvans]

It qualifies as malice afterthought because it shows that she had a the presence of mind to arm herself. This would only apply in jurisdictions wherein she did not have the right to shoot the intruder in a home invasion though.

Really? In what jurisdictions would what the mother did be considered malice?

[Mavorpen]

And how do you know the guy was a murderer?

He most likely wasn't, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying people have instincts, or gut feelings if you will, on certain people and situations. Her's were correct.

Then what was "wrong"?

[Galdius]

so, there is no threat when someone prys your door open with a crowbar.. "Oh what you up to burglar?" "Oh nothing, just stealing your stuff."

[Coccygia]

On the whole, I think both sides in this particular "debate" sound like idiots. "This proves everybody needs to have a fully automatic assault rifle with a 100-round clip and no background checks!" "Boo hoo, she should not have shot him because violence is never the answer!"

My apologies to any one who did not take one or the other of these positions.

[The House of Isaac]

And how do you know the guy was a murderer?

He most likely wasn't, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying people have instincts, or gut feelings if you will, on certain people and situations. Her's were correct.

Intuition, it seems, is more correct for this argument than instincts.

[Miss Defied]

And how do you know the guy was a murderer?

He most likely wasn't, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying people have instincts, or gut feelings if you will, on certain people and situations. Her's were correct.

Yeah, if you call watching a strange man force his way through your front door with a crowbar "instinct"