Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[The House of Isaac]

I am a blonde...I don't play video games...We need more hammers.

just leave.....

Technically, I am a dark blonde, with highlights of ginger hair. I'm both souless and stupid. Find the mistake.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

*sighs* Why does gun talk make everybody go ITG?

Well, people who get boners when they handle firearms get e-boners when they talk about handling them?

Honestly, those people should not be handling fire arms. They give the ones who legitimately get them for self-defense a bad name.

[New Nassrau]

You do realize that not everyone is capable of knocking a guy out with one hit, plus she would most likely only piss the guy off more..you been playing to many video games.... (Coming from a gamer)

I am a blonde...I don't play video games...We need more hammers.

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

[Gauntleted Fist]

Hrm. After looking at the sources and looking it up on a local news site I think the woman did the right thing in regards to that particular situation. Maybe she should have tried to answer the door, but I'm not sure how that would have changed the outcome so that's just pointless speculation at this point.

You can't change the past. What's done is done, we're just trying to justify it and criminalize it between us fellows on the internet.

I think it was justified in this particular situation.

A strange man at the door violently ringing/pounding on the door, and then breaking in with a crowbar, and you have two small children in the house with you? She may not have done everything right (Like maybe answering the door), but I don't see anything bizarre about her reaction when confronted in a closet by that same stranger with her two small children and a revolver between her and the stranger with at the very least ill intentions for her livelihood.

[Marcurix]

Well I won't put her to blame, someone broke into her home. That's a threat unto itself. It wasn't like she went in guns blazing, she hid and was found. So no fault on her part for defending herself.

[Dilange]

What are you talking about "right"? There is no time for that kind of bullshit when your faced with a life or death situation and only a couple of meager seconds to react. The trespasser may have a gun or he may not, but he's broken into your home and the risk of him killing you is to great to ignore. Either risk your life second guessing and asking moralistic questions or open fire and kill the son of a bitch that shouldn't be there in the first place. Sure, it's easy for a bystander or someone who reads about it in an article to ask all kinds of questions and theorize about what "could" have happened, but for the person that is actually there, with only a couple of seconds to make a life or death decision, there's no time for that shit. For someone in that situation, the choices are quite clear: shoot or die.

Life or death? Its just a fucking robbery. This isnt a movie where when people break into homes they are armed with assault rifles. The man had a crowbar, that was all. So either use common sense and rational thought or re-enact the scene from Taken? She did soemthing not rationally, then she opened fire on a man almost killing him. The point is that she almost killed a man with a gun. I refered to another home self-defense story where the man cut off the robber's arm. The man was robbing a house, you can do one of two things confront him with the gun pointed at him which seems entirely smart...or over react and hide and then panic fire when he reveals you because for all we know he could be a mass rapist murderer who kicks puppies.

[The House of Isaac]

I am a blonde...I don't play video games...We need more hammers.

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

[The Black Forrest]

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

Let me guess. Krav-maga?

[Hallistar]

If she really was cornered with her children in a closet (I'm assuming it was a walk-in closet) when the intruder discovered her, I don't think it would be an atmosphere conductive to calm and collected reasoning.

Speaking as someone whose been in (similar) melee situations before, using a hammer or other such item isn't a guaranteed way to force them to stop, considering that the intruder could've disarmed her easily or pinned her down.

I'm still mixed over whether she should've shot him or not, but I can see why she might be panicked to that extent, if she was cornered after retreating.

Shotguns are recommended in cases of home defense, however, as it wouldn't be near as easy to disarm, and is designed to spread out bullets at close range (typically in the stomach area), meaning she would've needed to shoot only once if she were to fire it. Her revolver would have been better suited for an outdoor scenario at longer-ranges, where accuracy mattered more.

As for not answering the door, while I do find that strange, I don't see why she would be obligated to. I do wonder though if she had a peep-hole on the door to see who it was.

This should answer some of your questions
viewtopic.php?p=12394846#p12394846

The article describes it as a 'crawl space', which I guess must've been why some people on here kept referring to it as a closet, but I see now that she wasn't in a closet but rather her attic.

[New Nassrau]

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

Well I don't! And so doesn't most of the United States! Most people can be overpowered, a gun makes it so anyone can stop intruders without risking their own health if there was a fight

[Trollgaard]

Another case of guns saving lives. Good thing we have the second amendment.

Yeah because the intruder was definitely intent on murdering her and her children, that's why he knocked and rang the doorbell, to see if anyone was home. He assumed nobody was and broke in.

She murdered him, plain and simple, on a hunch. yay guns.

Castle law. And the idiot broke into a home. He deserved to be shot. You break in you die. Pretty simple rules.

[Gear 1]

What are you talking about "right"? There is no time for that kind of bullshit when your faced with a life or death situation and only a couple of meager seconds to react. The trespasser may have a gun or he may not, but he's broken into your home and the risk of him killing you is to great to ignore. Either risk your life second guessing and asking moralistic questions or open fire and kill the son of a bitch that shouldn't be there in the first place. Sure, it's easy for a bystander or someone who reads about it in an article to ask all kinds of questions and theorize about what "could" have happened, but for the person that is actually there, with only a couple of seconds to make a life or death decision, there's no time for that shit. For someone in that situation, the choices are quite clear: shoot or die.

Amen. Thank you!

[Dilange]

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

Let me guess. Krav-maga?

Hey dont talk shit about Krav maga? Im from Israel.

[Mavorpen]

Seriously though, she couldn't just point the gun at him and ask what he was doing? Does she think he's a ninja who can dodge bullets and grab the gun out of her hand or something?

And why didn't she attempt to threaten him with the gun when he entered the room with the closet? There are way to many holes in this story.

I'm going to hell for reading this as a pun and laughing, aren't I?

[Marcurix]

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

Which, despite the perspective around such things, doesn't guarantee you'd be able to win.

[The House of Isaac]

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

Let me guess. Krav-maga?

[Galdius]

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

You can't change the past. What's done is done, we're just trying to justify it and criminalize it between us fellows on the internet.

I think it was justified in this particular situation.

A strange man at the door violently ringing/pounding on the door, and then breaking in with a crowbar, and you have two small children in the house with you? She may not have done everything right (Like maybe answering the door), but I don't see anything bizarre about her reaction when confronted in a closet by that same stranger with her two small children and a revolver between her and the stranger with at the very least ill intentions for her livelihood.

Rightly so.

Everything escallated downhill once the man came back with a crowbar to bash down her door. I believe that is the point where we head from a relatively rediculously stupid situation to fatally injure someone into something fairly justifiable.

[Mavorpen]

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

That was way too predictable.

[The Black Forrest]

This should answer some of your questions
viewtopic.php?p=12394846#p12394846

The article describes it as a 'crawl space', which I guess must've been why some people on here kept referring to it as a closet, but I see now that she wasn't in a closet but rather her attic.

The whole thread abounds in assumptions.

Such as the assumption he heard a noise and went to look.......

[The House of Isaac]

And why didn't she attempt to threaten him with the gun when he entered the room with the closet? There are way to many holes in this story.

I'm going to hell for reading this as a pun and laughing, aren't I?

Everyone's a comedian.

[Dilange]

I like how people think its perfectly okay and rational that when someone you do not recognize is at the door, you grab a gun and hide in the closet thinking "ERM MER GERD, ITZ ER MERDERER."

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

>Implying that all residents are skilled in the art of hand-to-hand combat.
>Implying that practicing hand-to-hand combat makes you skilled in it.

[The House of Isaac]

That was way too predictable.

I am not a badass, I want to drive a Prius. Your argument is invalid.

[Chernoslavia]

uhhh... so you're saying if someone breaks into your house, only use a hammer? a skinny 16 year old could fight with a hammer a huge guy with a crow bar? Something is definantly wrong here! I would certainly shoot him! It means, that I wouldn't get hurt in a fight I couldn't win, and I would certainly stop him!

I am a 14 year old who practices hand-to-hand combat.

Well, not everyone is a blackbelt. And what does having blonde hair and being black have anything to do with this?