Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Lindenholt]

Source, please?

Uh I live in Georgia this happened, its all over the local news.

I live in Georgia

Didn't see that coming

(No offence)

[Farnhamia]

Guys, you are saying this like everyone has the balls to scream "I AM ARMED! LEAVE NOW OR DIE!" not everyone has the courage to do this, its easier said than done.

True. She did have the presence of mind to grab the gun and hustle her kids upstairs. I suppose she was panicked, which is why she didn't run out the back to the neighbors. She did that after shooting him, though.

This doesn't prove decisively that being armed always protects you and your family. For each one of these we have at least one incident in which an innocent person is shot or a family member during an argument or a suicide happens.

[The Taryegeans]

And much, much, MUCH more likely than carpet bombings.

Yes, but it's small, so have a security system, a knife, a hammer, and a tiny gun, and you should be fine in case of danger. A cell phone helps, too.

So shooting him with a "tiny" gun (which is what she had btw) is less justified than brutally beating him to death with a hammer in front of her children? WTF?

[Dilange]

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

This is why people who have had stuff done to them before shouldnt have guns.

[Sailsia]

Just... WHAT? He has to break down the door, run into the room, find you, swing the crowbar, and land a fatal hit. All you need to do is shoot into the door. Gun > Crowbar

If you're yelling to him that you have a gun, high possibility is that he's already in your house.

Not only that, a gun is not a super weapon. People do not simply fall down once they've been shot, some even become more aggressive once they're wounded. Normally, a wounded person shall have a few minutes to react before they succumb to blood loss, and by then, anything in the world can happen.

Did you read the article? he was ringing the bell long enough for the woman to get her kids and gun and hide. More than enough time to yell GTFO. And in what world would being shot in the face not stop someone? It's a burgler, not a silver-back guerrilla.

[The House of Isaac]

Yes, but it's small, so have a security system, a knife, a hammer, and a tiny gun, and you should be fine in case of danger. A cell phone helps, too.

So shooting him with a "tiny" gun (which is what she had btw) is less justified than brutally beating him to death with a hammer in front of her children? WTF?

My first response stated that she could have knocked him out with a hammer, then called the police.

[Sailsia]

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

This is why people who have had stuff done to them before shouldnt have guns.

Ironically, it's true.

[Indira]

Silly question, but why didn't she answer the door when he rang in the first place? You know, like most normal people. Or am I missing the point here?

She didn't want to? She assumed it was a salesman, Jehovah's Witness, or whatever. Maybe she didn't feel like dealing with whoever it was, or didn't feel comfortable answering the door while she's alone at home with her children. Maybe she was busy and didn't have the time. It's totally irrelevant, in any case.

Except the part where if she had responded, he probably would never have broken in perhaps? Completely irrelevant naturally (Sarcasm)

[New Nassrau]

So shooting him with a "tiny" gun (which is what she had btw) is less justified than brutally beating him to death with a hammer in front of her children? WTF?

My first response stated that she could have knocked him out with a hammer, then called the police.

Of course, if she got close to him, he could have easily over powered her. A gun makes it so she's far away from him, and can easily take him down

[The Taryegeans]

If you're yelling to him that you have a gun, high possibility is that he's already in your house.

Not only that, a gun is not a super weapon. People do not simply fall down once they've been shot, some even become more aggressive once they're wounded. Normally, a wounded person shall have a few minutes to react before they succumb to blood loss, and by then, anything in the world can happen.

Did you read the article? he was ringing the bell long enough for the woman to get her kids and gun and hide. More than enough time to yell GTFO. And in what world would being shot in the face not stop someone? It's a burgler, not a silver-back guerrilla.

Ever heard of PCP? And FYI, the main reason the 1911 was adopted by the US Armed Forces was during the Philippine Insurrection, soldiers would unload six .38 rounds into Philippine warriors and they'd survive long enough to kill the soldier. With a melee weapon, btw.

[The House of Isaac]

This is why people who have had stuff done to them before shouldnt have guns.

Ironically, it's true.

I agree. Need more hammers.

[Sailsia]

So shooting him with a "tiny" gun (which is what she had btw) is less justified than brutally beating him to death with a hammer in front of her children? WTF?

My first response stated that she could have knocked him out with a hammer, then called the police.

Except a crow bar has a greater reach. Her fault wasn't shooting him, it was panicking and not answering the door to begin with.

[Occupied Deutschland]

If you're yelling to him that you have a gun, high possibility is that he's already in your house.

Not only that, a gun is not a super weapon. People do not simply fall down once they've been shot, some even become more aggressive once they're wounded. Normally, a wounded person shall have a few minutes to react before they succumb to blood loss, and by then, anything in the world can happen.

Did you read the article? he was ringing the bell long enough for the woman to get her kids and gun and hide. More than enough time to yell GTFO. And in what world would being shot in the face not stop someone? It's a burgler, not a silver-back guerrilla.

Apparently this one since she shot him in the face and neck area five times and he was still alive.

[Chernoslavia]

Another case of guns saving lives. Good thing we have the second amendment.

Yeah because the intruder was definitely intent on murdering her and her children, that's why he knocked and rang the doorbell, to see if anyone was home. He assumed nobody was and broke in.

She murdered him, plain and simple, on a hunch. yay guns.

If he forced himself into another person's house while it was locked and without their consent then he got what was coming. She doesnt have to answer the door. And the claim that he was found search into their belongings makes it even more obvious that its a burglary and thus gives her the right to do what she did. God knows what he would have done if he came across the children. People like you need to stop living in La La Land and face reality. You dont know whether the criminal had intents to kill the house residents. Especially if its a woman and a few kids, how do you know he wouldnt try to hurt the mother and run off with the merchandise if she wasnt armed?

[Sailsia]

Did you read the article? he was ringing the bell long enough for the woman to get her kids and gun and hide. More than enough time to yell GTFO. And in what world would being shot in the face not stop someone? It's a burgler, not a silver-back guerrilla.

Apparently this one since she shot him in the face and neck area five times and he was still alive.

He was alive, but its not like he was still running around. He was definitely stopped.

[The House of Isaac]

My first response stated that she could have knocked him out with a hammer, then called the police.

Except a crow bar has a greater reach. Her fault wasn't shooting him, it was panicking and not answering the door to begin with.

They are slower, and rather heavy, I have held and swung a crowbar before. A smaller hammer is fast, and if she can get very close, he cannot do much, because he will lack the power behind his reach to hit her.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

If you're yelling to him that you have a gun, high possibility is that he's already in your house.

Not only that, a gun is not a super weapon. People do not simply fall down once they've been shot, some even become more aggressive once they're wounded. Normally, a wounded person shall have a few minutes to react before they succumb to blood loss, and by then, anything in the world can happen.

Did you read the article? he was ringing the bell long enough for the woman to get her kids and gun and hide. More than enough time to yell GTFO. And in what world would being shot in the face not stop someone? It's a burgler, not a silver-back guerrilla.

Apparently, this guy. Survived five shots to the face, five more than I would've said you're supposed to.

The ideology of not saying anything when someone is ringing the doorbell is to give them the impression that you're not home - so they'll go away. If you tell them you're home, they insistantly pest you until you address them. In this case, the man decided to do the logical thing when nobody answers and break down the door. Honestly, I blame all those door-to-door Mormons.

[Occupied Deutschland]

My first response stated that she could have knocked him out with a hammer, then called the police.

Except a crow bar has a greater reach. Her fault wasn't shooting him, it was panicking and not answering the door to begin with.

Her 'fault' is nonexistant.

Fault lies with the person who created the situation. Namely the person who broke into a random person's house with a crowbar.

[The House of Isaac]

Did you read the article? he was ringing the bell long enough for the woman to get her kids and gun and hide. More than enough time to yell GTFO. And in what world would being shot in the face not stop someone? It's a burgler, not a silver-back guerrilla.

Apparently, this guy. Survived five shots to the face, five more than I would've said you're supposed to.

The ideology of not saying anything when someone is ringing the doorbell is to give them the impression that you're not home - so they'll go away. If you tell them you're home, they insistantly pest you until you address them. In this case, the man decided to do the logical thing when nobody answers and break down the door. Honestly, I blame all those door-to-door Mormons.

They are Jehovah's Witnesses where I live. I'd much prefer a Mormon anyday.

[Sailsia]

Did you read the article? he was ringing the bell long enough for the woman to get her kids and gun and hide. More than enough time to yell GTFO. And in what world would being shot in the face not stop someone? It's a burgler, not a silver-back guerrilla.

Apparently, this guy. Survived five shots to the face, five more than I would've said you're supposed to.

The ideology of not saying anything when someone is ringing the doorbell is to give them the impression that you're not home - so they'll go away. If you tell them you're home, they insistantly pest you until you address them. In this case, the man decided to do the logical thing when nobody answers and break down the door. Honestly, I blame all those door-to-door Mormons.

No, she didn't. Because she automatically assumed it was a criminal, and hid.

[New Nassrau]

Except a crow bar has a greater reach. Her fault wasn't shooting him, it was panicking and not answering the door to begin with.

They are slower, and rather heavy, I have held and swung a crowbar before. A smaller hammer is fast, and if she can get very close, he cannot do much, because he will lack the power behind his reach to hit her.

Yes, because everyone is a ninja. I would honestly be too scared to get up to him. Who knows? Maybe this guy is strong and heard she was coming. Getting close to a criminal is never a good idea. Shooting him is a safer way for her.

[Galdius]

According to WSB-TV, Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, said the woman was working in an upstairs office around 1 p.m. when she saw a strange man outside through a window of her home. The Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) reports the man knocked on the door of the house but the woman, unable to identify the visitor, refused to answer. When the visitor began ringing the doorbell persistently, she called her husband, Donnie Herman, who was at work.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/3 ... z2HEI62vYX

[Shayul Ghul]

I can't fucking believe some of you people. Like she shouldn't have shot him because he only had a crowbar.... of course, how she's supposed to know he only has a crowbar is beyond me.

Now, I suppose you could say that she should have not fired and just held him at gunpoint, and many of you already have. However, those of us with a concealed carry permit, or any handgun training at all, know that pulling a gun is not a game. You are only ever supposed to draw your weapon on someone when you truly believe that your life or the life of another is at stake, and with no hesitation about actually using the gun. It's a good thing some of you don't have guns, talking about trying to hold someone up during a home invasion... that's how good people die. You have no idea what a burglar or trespasser has on him/her, you have no idea what kind of individual that is. The one second you're deciding not to shoot is the one second this scum is pulling a gun out.

To think, I actually saw a post where someone said he had a fake gun that a friend had made look real. Well bravo, buddy, that's a great way to get killed. Sure, if a trespasser wasn't going to shoot you when breaking in, I wonder if pulling a gun on him, whether fake or not, will have the intended effect of making him leave, or possibly the opposite effect causing him to draw his weapon and kill you. Sounds like an awful chance to take, but it's your life.

Plain and simple, a criminal, a scumbag piece of human shit (6 arrests in 4 years in one county, and at least one of them a violent crime?) breaks into this woman's house. She has no idea who he is or what he wants, but she's had the sense to arm herself and hide her kids rather than playing chicken at the door screaming "I have a gun" as if warning a possible gun toting mad-man of that fact is a great idea. The man forces himself inside and she can hear him rummaging around, though whether he's stealing things or looking for the family, how would she know? Finally, after what may have been several tense minutes of hiding in a crawl space, the trespasser opens the door. Now we have a mother with two kids to worry about face to face with a large male trespasser who's already holding a crowbar, and may have god only knows what other weapons. Fortunately, rather than being a chicken-shit, this woman has the stones to pull the trigger in a justified situation in an attempt to kill the perpetrator.

As I said before, anyone with a concealed carry permit knows that you do not pull your gun on someone unless you actually intend to use it. You never pull your gun on someone hoping that threat alone will solve the situation. I have a 10mm hand gun with a 8 round clip and room for one in the slide. They're all hollow-points. Anyone ever breaks into my home, there will be no warnings, no misses. There will be some very large holes in a very unfortunate trespasser, end of story. These people made a CHOICE, to do crime. Everyone goes through tough shit, but not everyone steals and burglarizes people to get through it, so you can only blame the situation so much before you have to take a good look at the person making the choices. If you make the choice to do crime then you are accepting all of the risks that go along with that crime. Risks like jail or prison, risks like betrayal or back-stabbing by other criminals, and risks like breaking into a home in a country full of people that have a legal right to defend themselves and getting shot full of holes.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Except a crow bar has a greater reach. Her fault wasn't shooting him, it was panicking and not answering the door to begin with.

They are slower, and rather heavy, I have held and swung a crowbar before. A smaller hammer is fast, and if she can get very close, he cannot do much, because he will lack the power behind his reach to hit her.

Y'know how people who say they have a firearm for self-protection are labeled Internet Tough Guys because of how, in stress, they couldn't do X, Y, and Z?

The above comment is a thousand times worse than anything ever said concerning use of a firearm for self-defense.

[Myrensis]

Except the part where if she had responded, he probably would never have broken in perhaps? Completely irrelevant naturally (Sarcasm)

"Probably" is the keyword there.

If she had responded, he might not have broken in.

If he hadn't broken in, he would not have been shot.

Ergo, yes, how she chose to react in her own home to a stranger at the door is completely irrelevant. Nothing would have happened had he not decided to break in.

I'm genuinely curious as to whether you people think women who dress in skimpy clothes are asking for rape. Because that is the basically mentality being displayed here, it's not the perpetrators fault, the victim was clearly asking for it!