Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Gear 1]

No. You cant be serious. Im sorry, but I cant believe that someone like you exists. You would say that the man would be better dead than in jail and alive? Really? Its excessive to have health people try to save this man? Are you a Stalinist? You would rather have a man die than be treated and learn the lesson not break into peoples houses? Are you fucking kidding me?

Life isn't some action movie. single shots dont
often make their targets stop like an off switch.

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

[Sailsia]

No, it isn't. Not making assumptions when handling a deadly weapon is the only rational response. End of.

A proper reaction would have been to declare the fact that she was armed, and then to either demand that he leave or to demand that he declare his reasoning for invading her home.

What would you do? Declare you were armed?

If anything, you just declared you were armed and you gave away your position in the house by shouting 'I'm armed'. There is no possibility that the intruder is going to leave your house, and if anything, you've just lost the advantage of surprise if he does decide to beat your brains in with that crowbar of his.

Just... WHAT? He has to break down the door, run into the room, find you, swing the crowbar, and land a fatal hit. All you need to do is shoot into the door. Gun > Crowbar

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

No, but did the woman have every right to defend herself? yes.

Not with deadly force when his intent was not known.

The fact he broke into her house via force with a crowbar is intent enough.

Deadly force? Maybe not. But it's not as if there is some magical place upon the human body that isn't lethally prone towards a bullet wound.

[The Taryegeans]

"Most likely* isn't good enough when it comes to my safety and the safety of my family, and it shouldn't be for her safety and her children's either.

Except it is good enough.

Oh really? So when someone breaks into your home with a crowbar, while you and your family are home your first response will be "Oh don't worry, he probably doesn't want to harm me and my family?"

I'll feel bad when I read your obituary in the paper.

[Myrensis]

There is a possibility that a B-52 will drop a load of 1,000 pound bombs on your house tomorrow. Should you have the right to acquire anti-aircraft guns to defend against this, y/n?

Yes, because home invasions and home carpet bombings happen with roughly the same frequency.

[The House of Isaac]

"Most likely* isn't good enough when it comes to my safety and the safety of my family, and it shouldn't be for her safety and her children's either.

There is a possibility that a B-52 will drop a load of 1,000 pound bombs on your house tomorrow. Should you have the right to acquire anti-aircraft guns to defend against this, y/n?

You have a point. There is a chance, but it is so small, it is pointless to worry about it. People today are too paranoid.

[Galdius]

Guys, you are saying this like everyone has the balls to scream "I AM ARMED! LEAVE NOW OR DIE!" not everyone has the courage to do this, its easier said than done.
Edit: She did not know that the guy was not armed.

[Earth Empire]

Looks more like she killed someone who was worried when she didn't answer the door.

That would suck.

[Sailsia]

Life isn't some action movie. single shots dont
often make their targets stop like an off switch.

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

Okay, Batman. Your anecdotes are not reason enough to let society fall to pieces.

[Laeriland]

Not with deadly force when his intent was not known.

The fact he broke into her house via force with a crowbar is intent enough.

Deadly force? Maybe not. But it's not as if there is some magical place upon the human body that isn't lethally prone towards a bullet wound.

Not to mention the fact she didn't kill him. He's still alive, hurt but alive.

[The House of Isaac]

There is a possibility that a B-52 will drop a load of 1,000 pound bombs on your house tomorrow. Should you have the right to acquire anti-aircraft guns to defend against this, y/n?

Yes, because home invasions and home carpet bombings happen with roughly the same frequency.

The chance of a home invasion is also small.

[Drekka]

He was not armed with a deadly weapon unless he maintained his use of the crowbar, nor was his intent clear. There was no danger that was clear.

He broke into her home, and under the law her use of deadly force against him was justified. Clear and present danger of some stranger forcing his way into her home. She shouldn't have to guess his intent to harm her, and sure as hell should have the right to protect her residence and herself and her children.

Exactly, and didn't he have a weapon of his own ( Crowbar) ?
.

[Gear 1]

Which could have been a search for those he assumed to be in danger. Let's face it; She overreacted, and a man who could have been as low as a murderer or as high as a goody-two-shoes was heavily injured because of it.

Assumed to be in danger based on what?

Again, the entire premise that him breaking in shouldn't immediately be viewed in a negative light is that "They're probably all being raped and murdered as we speak!!" is a reasonable assumption to make when you knock on somebody's door and they don't answer. Hint: It isn't. The reasonable assumption is A.They aren't home, or B.They don't want to talk to you.

And the logical follow-up step should be... GTFO.

[The Taryegeans]

Yes, because home invasions and home carpet bombings happen with roughly the same frequency.

The chance of a home invasion is also small.

And much, much, MUCH more likely than carpet bombings.

[The House of Isaac]

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

Okay, Batman. Your anecdotes are not reason enough to let society fall to pieces.

Society changes, you probably speed on a highway. You are a criminal, too, if you do speed.

[Gauntleted Fist]

There is a possibility that a B-52 will drop a load of 1,000 pound bombs on your house tomorrow. Should you have the right to acquire anti-aircraft guns to defend against this, y/n?

Yes, because home invasions and home carpet bombings happen with roughly the same frequency.

Ask the people in the ME.

Also the question was designed to illuminate that people here are being dumb about possibility versus probability.

[Sailsia]

Except it is good enough.

Oh really? So when someone breaks into your home with a crowbar, while you and your family are home your first response will be "Oh don't worry, he probably doesn't want to harm me and my family?"

I'll feel bad when I read your obituary in the paper.

My first response to someone knocking on my door is to open it and say hello. My first response to a scary-looking person knocking on my door is to shout through it "who is it". My first response to someone trying to kick down my door is to shout that I have a gun. If they persist, I fire a shot into the door. If they break it down, I shoot them as they come in. Notice how it is extremely unlikely the last stage of this chain of reactions would happen.

[New Nassrau]

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

Okay, Batman. Your anecdotes are not reason enough to let society fall to pieces.

Society isn't falling to pieces! He illegally broke into her home and she stopped him! Alot of people don't have the courage to confront intruders, and just take action, like shooting. I would shoot someone if they broke in, there's always the chance that they could hurt someone. Even then, if they were just stealing stuff, shooting them is an efficient way of stopping them.

[The Taryegeans]

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

Okay, Batman. Your anecdotes are not reason enough to let society fall to pieces.

Neither are you nice and high ideals.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

What would you do? Declare you were armed?

If anything, you just declared you were armed and you gave away your position in the house by shouting 'I'm armed'. There is no possibility that the intruder is going to leave your house, and if anything, you've just lost the advantage of surprise if he does decide to beat your brains in with that crowbar of his.

Just... WHAT? He has to break down the door, run into the room, find you, swing the crowbar, and land a fatal hit. All you need to do is shoot into the door. Gun > Crowbar

If you're yelling to him that you have a gun, high possibility is that he's already in your house.

Not only that, a gun is not a super weapon. People do not simply fall down once they've been shot, some even become more aggressive once they're wounded. Normally, a wounded person shall have a few minutes to react before they succumb to blood loss, and by then, anything in the world can happen.

[Sailsia]

The fact he broke into her house via force with a crowbar is intent enough.

Deadly force? Maybe not. But it's not as if there is some magical place upon the human body that isn't lethally prone towards a bullet wound.

Not to mention the fact she didn't kill him. He's still alive, hurt but alive.

She shot him in the face, her intention to kill is very clear.

[The House of Isaac]

The chance of a home invasion is also small.

And much, much, MUCH more likely than carpet bombings.

Yes, but it's small, so have a security system, a knife, a hammer, and a tiny gun, and you should be fine in case of danger. A cell phone helps, too.

[Miss Defied]

Forgive me but this thread is growing faster than I can read it so I gave up at page 19 (started reading when it was only about 6 pages).

For what it's worth, from the very first source linked on the first page of the thread:

According to WSB-TV, Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, said the woman was working in an upstairs office around 1 p.m. when she saw a strange man outside through a window of her home. The Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) reports the man knocked on the door of the house but the woman, unable to identify the visitor, refused to answer. When the visitor began ringing the doorbell persistently, she called her husband, Donnie Herman, who was at work.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/3 ... z2HEJHfV3O

So everybody who is arguing over why she didn't answer the door, there's your answer. And everyone thinking the woman was being stupid or paranoid or whatever becasue for all she knew it was a cop or a neighbor or a whatever can also cease. She looked out the window, she saw a guy she didn't recognize and got scared.

Also, according to the article:

According to The Blaze, he finally cornered the family in an attic crawlspace.

Do run-of-the-mill B&E/burglary operations generally involve looking for valuables in an attic crawlspace? Because if not, it seems that this burglar may have somehow been alerted to the presence of people in the house (hearing footsteps or sobbing children, who knows?). And it doesn't look like he decided to just run away as many people ITT say he would have done if he knew there were people in the house.

I think in this instance the woman was justified in shooting him.

[Drekka]

I told this group earlier that both I and my wife had been victimized in the past. I have not and will not tolerate any criminal. You try it sometime. I exist because I take precautions. Hope you like it when someone tries it with you. (A criminal already breaks the "acceptable" social norms. So why should my response to him fall into them? Let the fucker burn in hell sooner rather than later.)

Okay, Batman. Your anecdotes are not reason enough to let society fall to pieces.

@ GEAR 1: I was for the "pro-option to defend your home" party.
that statement was towards someone who didn't understand ballistics.
you're welcome.

ps: Being a victim is never pleasant :/

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

Looks more like she killed someone who was worried when she didn't answer the door.

That would suck.

He was so worried, he went to get a crowbar and force the door open so he could check up on her. Eyup.