Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[The De Danann Nation]

When she shot him, he fell to the floor. He begged her to stop but she kept shooting him until she emptied the rounds.
That's just wrong. I don't care if he broke into her house, you don't shoot someone begging for you to stop.

I suggest you actually read the story, before commenting further.

I did, I read it on yahoo last night.

[Rereumrari]

For fuck's sake, why is everything dependent on a 200 year old document? Don't get me wrong, it was a major step forward in liberty, but that was over 200 years ago. We've moved on since then, and refusing to budge over a 200 year old right is plain strange. Take the Magna Carta, a document that guaranteed the rights of every man in the country. It's a great step forward in liberty, but as you can see from the link there's a part which stated 'Earls and Barons should only be fined by their peers'. That's a 13th century law, which no one would accept in a modern society. The 2nd Amendment is an 18th century law. This is the 21st century. We've moved on.

What a joke. You make the Constitution sound like a fad that has stopped being trendy and needs to be replaced with something that all the cool kids like. Just because the document is "old" (i'd hardly call a 200 year document old considering EU countries are thousands of years old.) doesn't mean that it's broken. The constitution was written by men who were educated far more than anyone is today. Trying to burn it and write something better (especially from our idiot congress. I shudder at the thought.) would just make it worse.

[Paddy O Fernature]

For fuck's sake, why is everything dependent on a 200 year old document? Don't get me wrong, it was a major step forward in liberty, but that was over 200 years ago. We've moved on since then, and refusing to budge over a 200 year old right is plain strange. Take the Magna Carta, a document that guaranteed the rights of every man in the country. It's a great step forward in liberty, but as you can see from the link there's a part which stated 'Earls and Barons should only be fined by their peers'. That's a 13th century law, which no one would accept in a modern society. The 2nd Amendment is an 18th century law. This is the 21st century. We've moved on.

What a joke. You make the Constitution sound like a fad that has stopped being trendy and needs to be replaced with something that all the cool kids like. Just because the document is "old" (i'd hardly call a 200 year document old considering EU countires are thousands of years old.) doesn't mean that it's broken. The constitution was written by men who were educated far more than anyone is today. Trying to burn it and get something better (especially from our idiot congress. I shudder at the thought.) would just make it worse.

Agreed.

[Ecans]

Simple. If he hadn't broken into the house his life would not have been in danger.

All those of you who sit at your computer cooly analyzing the situation have no clue what she felt while trying to shelter her kids from who knows what sort of threat. She had no way of knowing his state of mind, if he was wasted on drugs, might have been able to take her weapon if she had hesitated, if he had his own weapon and was faster with it...she didn't have the luxury of analysis. She did what she had to.

Any Mother, human or animal has a prime imperative to protect her young.

[The De Danann Nation]

Simple. If he hadn't broken into the house his life would not have been in danger.

All those of you who sit at your computer cooly analyzing the situation have no clue what she felt while trying to shelter her kids from who knows what sort of threat. She had no way of knowing his state of mind, if he was wasted on drugs, might have been able to take her weapon if she had hesitated, if he had his own weapon and was faster with it...she didn't have the luxury of analysis. She did what she had to.

Any Mother, human or animal has a prime imperative to protect her young.

She shot the guy, I have nothing against that. Shooting the guy when he's begging her to stop while her husband who's on the phone with her shouts," Shoot him again! Again! Again!"

[Germanyball]

Idiots doing idiot things because they're idiots, then thinking idiot thoughts like "Well it's not MY fault I broke in here, you shouldn't have shot me!"


You break into someone's house, you'd best expect to leave with lead.

[Republica Newland]

I understand. However, I have seen it in this thread numerous times that, "six shots is so many, though! Obviously a killer." Fact-of-the-matter is, when you're just focused on emptying it, it really isn't that time-consuming of a task. Sorry if I'm making you look like my "target" for this small discussion, but I figured addressing your post would be easiest at this time. Anyway, hopefully it can take the excuse of, "Only a murderer would fire that many times" out of some responses as it most likely happened too quickly for her to even begin registering what he was saying until she had emptied the revolver, anyway.

Ditto. I was just pointing out that some of my responses are inspired by what you say, but not directed at you.

I think you're aware that I do not think this woman is a murderer. She was panicked. People make mistakes in a panic. I do feel like her husband handled the situation pretty well, from what I can tell.

Finally.I'm glad you finally came to this conclusion.

[Republica Newland]

Simple. If he hadn't broken into the house his life would not have been in danger.

All those of you who sit at your computer cooly analyzing the situation have no clue what she felt while trying to shelter her kids from who knows what sort of threat. She had no way of knowing his state of mind, if he was wasted on drugs, might have been able to take her weapon if she had hesitated, if he had his own weapon and was faster with it...she didn't have the luxury of analysis. She did what she had to.

Any Mother, human or animal has a prime imperative to protect her young.

She shot the guy, I have nothing against that. Shooting the guy when he's begging her to stop while her husband who's on the phone with her shouts," Shoot him again! Again! Again!"

How about actually watching the news report. He begged her to stop after she did.A .38 is a small bullet.Based on what source are you claiming that he was on the ground while she was still shooting at him may I ask?

[Republica Newland]

1.Point at head.
2.Shoot.

You don't shoot much, do you?

I think you may have missed this very important part: ..at a reasonable distance

[Republica Newland]

"What? Panicked people act differently than people who are prepared for the situation and unafraid? Who knew?" Yep.They sure do.And also 5 to 10 minutes+ faster.
*Oh and note that policemen sure are trained but that doesn't mean they are unafraid at all.It's like saying that a soldier isn't going to ask himself the question of whether or not he'll ever get back from war simply becaue he is trained or prepared.

Man, you really have trouble with context. The person who is unafraid is the shooter. That's why they have the advantage, as I said repeatedly. You claimed they didn't have that advantage. And now you're admitting it is an advantage. And, of course, it is.

Again,based on what sort of logic are you assuming that the shooter is unafraid?

[Germanyball]

You don't shoot much, do you?

I think you may have missed this very important part: ..at a reasonable distance

You say reasonable distance like that's a thing in a home invasion scenario.

ANY distance is a reasonable one when there is a man in your home with unknown intentions.


And, to back up what that guy said, you really must not shoot much if you believe that stopping a potentially lethal home invasion is as simple as "point at head; pull trigger"

[Republica Newland]

Nice.I really liked that.Calling me an Internet Tough Guy.What a mature thing to do.

Well guess what I wasn't even reffering to myself in that situation.It may have been any regular Joe.You do realize that a headshot really isn't that hard to pull off? Even with no training. Even for the average Joe. A Glock is really simple.Straightforward.Does its' job wonderfully.At a reasonable distance of course.Same as most other handguns out on the market today.

1.Point at head.
2.Shoot.

Now,I really really loved the Glock part.You must have heard some "gun-toting rednecks" talking about it and,like any self-respecting liberal/leftie (which you probably are) thought about using that in a pejorative way,like it's some sort of a shitty,cheap,"common among the rednecks" gun.
Oh well guess what.More news.Some basic gun knowledge.

The Glock family of pistols is actually one of the best there is.Of Austrian design and production,these guns are in service with countless (even elite) military and police forces around the globe.

Hmm.Gets you thinking,doesn't it? Bet those rednecks are on to something.Their tastes sure aren't that bad after all.

Or, perhaps, and try to wrap your head around this, I've actually fired a weapon or two in my time. Perhaps, and again, try to wrap your head around this, I was in the military, and while there I shot a lot of different types of weapons. Perhaps, and this is just spitballing, maybe I really enjoy shooting at ranges and I'm well-trained with a whole host of weapons. Heck, I bet it's possible that I was even required to learn how to disassemble and reassemble all sorts of weapons.

Nah, that's inconceivable.

I must have just googled "redneck weapon" and spouted off. There is certainly some evidence that some individuals in this thread are getting their information about guns and how to shoot solely from google.

No one with any significant amount of training and who has ever spoken to anyone who has actually had any experience with shooting in traumatic situations downplays the ease of shooting like you do. With paper targets, shooting accurately is not all that hard. Maybe, now this is just another hypothetical, just maybe, human beings don't stand perfectly still at a known distance away and make for such an easy target.

You know the best way to not prove your an ITG, google where the glock is made, pretend like a head shot on a moving target is child's play, and pretend like the moment a threat occurred by a man with tear gas, that your spider sense would kick in and you'd instantly neutralize him, without endangering and potentially injuring a number of other people. Yeah, that doesn't sound like an ITG at all.

" There is certainly some evidence that some individuals in this thread are getting their information about guns and how to shoot solely from google."
"You know the best way to not prove your an ITG, google where the glock is made, pretend like a head shot on a moving target is child's play, and pretend like the moment a threat occurred by a man with tear gas, that your spider sense would kick in and you'd instantly neutralize him, without endangering and potentially injuring a number of other people. Yeah, that doesn't sound like an ITG at all."

Oh,here we go again.How mature.

" ..to anyone who has actually had any experience with shooting in traumatic situations" - And yes,indeed,I haven't had the chance to talk to anyone in such a situation.Guess why? Not because the people I've talked with haven't shot at someone but rather because they actually kept their calm and did a wonderful job at protecting themselves. Oooh. Apparently civilians can keep their calm in such a situation. Not saying that all of them would.

[Republica Newland]

I think you may have missed this very important part: ..at a reasonable distance

You say reasonable distance like that's a thing in a home invasion scenario.

ANY distance is a reasonable one when there is a man in your home with unknown intentions.


And, to back up what that guy said, you really must not shoot much if you believe that stopping a potentially lethal home invasion is as simple as "point at head; pull trigger"

I dare you to find a faster and more efficient solution.

[Republica Newland]

The Constitution will be replaced over my dead body.I'm not just about the 2nd Amendment here.I'm talking about the whole thing.
If anyone ever attempts to do that,either I die or he dies.

The constitution's already been changed 27 times. When's the funeral?

Additions =/= replacement.

[Germanyball]

You say reasonable distance like that's a thing in a home invasion scenario.

ANY distance is a reasonable one when there is a man in your home with unknown intentions.


And, to back up what that guy said, you really must not shoot much if you believe that stopping a potentially lethal home invasion is as simple as "point at head; pull trigger"

I dare you to find a faster and more efficient solution.

Point at the guy in your house.

Pull trigger until it stops going BANG.

Simple, efficient, and it ends his life while preserving yours.

THAT'S what almost every defense situation (as well as most OFFENSE situations) are actually like. It's called magdumping, and it's what everyone is taught to do when faced with life threatening danger by any defensive teacher worth the shit I stepped in this morning.

[Republica Newland]

I dare you to find a faster and more efficient solution.

Point at the guy in your house.

Pull trigger until it stops going BANG.

Simple, efficient, and it ends his life while preserving yours.

THAT'S what almost every defense situation (as well as most OFFENSE situations) are actually like. It's called magdumping, and it's what everyone is taught to do when faced with life threatening danger by any defensive teacher worth the shit I stepped in this morning.

Did I say you should only fire once? Considering that the woman was armed with a relatively low powered handgun maybe aiming for the head first is a good ideea.And then you magdump.

[Germanyball]

Point at the guy in your house.

Pull trigger until it stops going BANG.

Simple, efficient, and it ends his life while preserving yours.

THAT'S what almost every defense situation (as well as most OFFENSE situations) are actually like. It's called magdumping, and it's what everyone is taught to do when faced with life threatening danger by any defensive teacher worth the shit I stepped in this morning.

Did I say you should only fire once? Considering that the woman was armed with a relatively low powered handgun maybe aiming for the head first is a good ideea.And then you magdump.

Aiming for the head is the best way to miss a shot, short of firing a dedicated warning shot.

And, once more, you really must not use guns much if you think there is such a thing as "low powered" handguns.


In defense situations, shot placement is king, and shot number is queen. Shot size may as well be a pawn, especially when you consider that most "defense" class rounds perform with such negligible difference that you may as well pick the round that can hold the most in a mag.

[Republica Newland]

Did I say you should only fire once? Considering that the woman was armed with a relatively low powered handgun maybe aiming for the head first is a good ideea.And then you magdump.

Aiming for the head is the best way to miss a shot, short of firing a dedicated warning shot.

And, once more, you really must not use guns much if you think there is such a thing as "low powered" handguns.


In defense situations, shot placement is king, and shot number is queen. Shot size may as well be a pawn, especially when you consider that most "defense" class rounds perform with such negligible difference that you may as well pick the round that can hold the most in a mag.

"Aiming for the head is the best way to miss a shot, short of firing a dedicated warning shot." Not in a home defense scenario,if you consider the distance.

"And, once more, you really must not use guns much if you think there is such a thing as "low powered" handguns." Oh really? That's a funny thing to say. Google "banzai charge". Can't remember the cartridge but back in WW2 the US had one which had too little kinetic energy.Although being completely full of lead,the Japanese soldiers would (successfully) complete their sword rush,running for another 10 meters or so.Because of lack of stopping power,many US soldiers were killed.

[Germanyball]

Aiming for the head is the best way to miss a shot, short of firing a dedicated warning shot.

And, once more, you really must not use guns much if you think there is such a thing as "low powered" handguns.


In defense situations, shot placement is king, and shot number is queen. Shot size may as well be a pawn, especially when you consider that most "defense" class rounds perform with such negligible difference that you may as well pick the round that can hold the most in a mag.

"Aiming for the head is the best way to miss a shot, short of firing a dedicated warning shot." Not in a home defense scenario,if you consider the distance.

"And, once more, you really must not use guns much if you think there is such a thing as "low powered" handguns." Oh really? That's a funny thing to say. Google "banzai charge". Can't remember the cartridge but back in WW2 the US had one which had too little kinetic energy.Although being completely full of lead,the Japanese soldiers would (successfully) complete their sword rush,running for another 10 meters or so.Because of lack of stopping power,many US soldiers were killed.

"consider the distance"


You're a funny guy if you're "considering the distance" but you aren't considering the important things like how scared the person behind the gun is. The adrenaline, the uncertainty, and above all else, the fear. Because that's what a defense situation is about. Fear. Someone is in your house, they're actively attempting to harm your way of life through use of physical force, and you've got to stop him. You have the tools to stop him, but it's still a goddamned scary situation to be in.

Aiming for the head is THE single stupidest thing anyone can do in a home defense situation, and there's no way around that.





And, because at this point it may as well be a fucking signature, you clearly don't know anything about guns if you're honestly using the term "stopping power" and are expecting to be taken seriously.

[Republica Newland]

"Aiming for the head is the best way to miss a shot, short of firing a dedicated warning shot." Not in a home defense scenario,if you consider the distance.

"And, once more, you really must not use guns much if you think there is such a thing as "low powered" handguns." Oh really? That's a funny thing to say. Google "banzai charge". Can't remember the cartridge but back in WW2 the US had one which had too little kinetic energy.Although being completely full of lead,the Japanese soldiers would (successfully) complete their sword rush,running for another 10 meters or so.Because of lack of stopping power,many US soldiers were killed.

"consider the distance"


You're a funny guy if you're "considering the distance" but you aren't considering the important things like how scared the person behind the gun is. The adrenaline, the uncertainty, and above all else, the fear. Because that's what a defense situation is about. Fear. Someone is in your house, they're actively attempting to harm your way of life through use of physical force, and you've got to stop him. You have the tools to stop him, but it's still a goddamned scary situation to be in.

Aiming for the head is THE single stupidest thing anyone can do in a home defense situation, and there's no way around that.





And, because at this point it may as well be a fucking signature, you clearly don't know anything about guns if you're honestly using the term "stopping power" and are expecting to be taken seriously.

OK smart guy,go and tell that to the 1st and 2nd Battalions of the 105th U.S. Infantry who lost almost 650 men because of lack of stopping power.

[Germanyball]

"consider the distance"


You're a funny guy if you're "considering the distance" but you aren't considering the important things like how scared the person behind the gun is. The adrenaline, the uncertainty, and above all else, the fear. Because that's what a defense situation is about. Fear. Someone is in your house, they're actively attempting to harm your way of life through use of physical force, and you've got to stop him. You have the tools to stop him, but it's still a goddamned scary situation to be in.

Aiming for the head is THE single stupidest thing anyone can do in a home defense situation, and there's no way around that.





And, because at this point it may as well be a fucking signature, you clearly don't know anything about guns if you're honestly using the term "stopping power" and are expecting to be taken seriously.

OK smart guy,go and tell that to the 1st and 2nd Battalions of the 105th U.S. Infantry who lost almost 650 because of lack of stopping power.

You keep saying that like it's a thing.

Nice way of ignoring the rest of my argument, by the way.

Stopping power is as much of a factor in firearm related combat as energy dumping.

[Republica Newland]

OK smart guy,go and tell that to the 1st and 2nd Battalions of the 105th U.S. Infantry who lost almost 650 because of lack of stopping power.

You keep saying that like it's a thing.

Nice way of ignoring the rest of my argument, by the way.

Stopping power is as much of a factor in firearm related combat as energy dumping.

Well to revise my statement,and to address the rest of your argument,assuming that you,being scared,are pulling the trigger again and again as fast as you can,I'd gladly take the risk of missing the headshot considering that the rest of my bullets will be magdumped in his general direction anyway (not his head specifically).

[Germanyball]

You keep saying that like it's a thing.

Nice way of ignoring the rest of my argument, by the way.

Stopping power is as much of a factor in firearm related combat as energy dumping.

Well to revise my statement,and to address the rest of your argument,assuming that you,being scared,are pulling the trigger again and again as fast as you can,I'd gladly take the risk of missing the headshot considering that the rest of my bullets will be magdumped in his general direction anyway (not his head specifically).

Every. Shot. Counts.

Why even take a chance with a miss? Someone shooting for their life doesn't aim for the head, they aim for the bad guy, and they keep shooting until someone stops moving.

[Republica Newland]

Well to revise my statement,and to address the rest of your argument,assuming that you,being scared,are pulling the trigger again and again as fast as you can,I'd gladly take the risk of missing the headshot considering that the rest of my bullets will be magdumped in his general direction anyway (not his head specifically).

Every. Shot. Counts.

Why even take a chance with a miss? Someone shooting for their life doesn't aim for the head, they aim for the bad guy, and they keep shooting until someone stops moving.

I am pretty confident in my shooting skills and am sure that the advantages of me shooting a human head sized target at any range that may be found in a home defense situation,thus ending it then and there,immediately,eliminating the posibility of the intruder shooting back,far outweighs the disadvantages caused if I would miss,considering that I still have that very fast magdump anyways.

*Let me rephrase.

[Germanyball]

Every. Shot. Counts.

Why even take a chance with a miss? Someone shooting for their life doesn't aim for the head, they aim for the bad guy, and they keep shooting until someone stops moving.

I am pretty confident in my shooting skills and am sure that the probability of me shooting a human head sized target at any range that may be found in a home defense situation,thus ending it then and there,immediately,eliminating the posibility of the intruder shooting back,far outweighs the probability of me missing.And in the case I miss I still have that very fast magdump.

Have you ever shot a melon sized target at, say, 5 yards while it is taking active measures to prevent being hit?


That's what trying to hit someone in the head is like. Even under the best of circumstances, that's difficult, and that difficulty is only compounded by the various other factors that are plaguing the shooter before he fires.

You wanna take a risk on a head shot, be my guest. I'm telling you right now, though, you're a goddamned idiot for thinking it's a good idea.