Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Republica Newland]

Dear friends,
upon receiving evidence that the criminals of America have signed a disarming treaty,
I shall gladly give up all my guns also,in return.
Until then,I invite anyone with funny gourmet tastes to stop by,break in,and eat some lead.
Sincerely yours,"a gun-toting redneck" (apparently that's how people that actually care about and want to defend themselves,their loved ones and their belongings are labeled nowadays)

[Emile Zola]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFU1CxYNnG0

Skip to 1:50

Youtube? Seriously? I gave you a link to a government study and you give me youtube.

[Republica Newland]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFU1CxYNnG0

Skip to 1:50

Youtube? Seriously? I gave you a link to a government study and you give me youtube.

Oh yeah since we're on that topic.Go and watch some YouTube on robbers that try to mug cashiers.No reason to shoot/kill the cashier right? Wrong. There's countless such videos whre the cashier gets shot and/or killed (although sometimes fully cooperating)
Oh bit then you go ahead and tell me how sure you are that the burglar in our case was not going to do anything to the woman and her children upon opening the cupboard.

[Chernoslavia]

Source?

Happy to help.

Firearm related deaths in Australia, 1991-2001

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.html

And heres one thats about the US.

[Chernoslavia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFU1CxYNnG0

Skip to 1:50

Youtube? Seriously? I gave you a link to a government study and you give me youtube.

So your denying the source just because is on Youtube?

[Emile Zola]

Youtube? Seriously? I gave you a link to a government study and you give me youtube.

So your denying the source just because is on Youtube?

Yes. Because if I want someones rant about freedom I go to Youtube. If I need to statistics to prove a point I'll link to a study that provides sources. You should do the same.

[Chernoslavia]

So your denying the source just because is on Youtube?

Yes. Because if I want someones rant about freedom I go to Youtube. If I need to statistics to prove a point I'll link to a study that provides sources. You should do the same.

This wasnt someone's rant it was a documentry.

[Hornesia]

Man knocks on the door, woman doesn't know him and calls husband to ask if he's expecting anyone. He says no, tells her to take the kids and hide. She yells "Go away!". She sees the man grab the crowbar, she grabs the gun, runs upstairs, and hides. the man enters the room, she panics and shoots him 6 times in non- lethal areas (She dis not purposely avoid shooting him in areas that would kill him, he got lucky.) He somehow makes it out of the house, gets in his car, and starts to drive away. He crashes into a tree and the police find him there. He's taken to a hospital, survives, and the police plan to arrest him. (This was as-reported by the local news stations).

[Bafuria]

Source?

Happy to help.

Firearm related deaths in Australia, 1991-2001

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.html

These statistics clearly show that the gun death rate had already been declining for a few years before the gun laws were implemented.

[Emile Zola]

Oh yeah since we're on that topic.Go and watch some YouTube on robbers that try to mug cashiers.No reason to shoot/kill the cashier right? Wrong. There's countless such videos whre the cashier gets shot and/or killed (although sometimes fully cooperating)
Oh bit then you go ahead and tell me how sure you are that the burglar in our case was not going to do anything to the woman and her children upon opening the cupboard.

What was that? Cashiers getting shot with a gun? Sounds like you have a gun problem then.

Like I said in my first post I have no sympathy for the burglar getting shot but I neither have sympathy for the woman in running and hiding with a gun. I don't know what the burglar would of done but then again I don't the American fetish for invasion fantasies.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Youtube? Seriously? I gave you a link to a government study and you give me youtube.

Oh yeah since we're on that topic.Go and watch some YouTube on robbers that try to mug cashiers.No reason to shoot/kill the cashier right? Wrong. There's countless such videos whre the cashier gets shot and/or killed (although sometimes fully cooperating)
Oh bit then you go ahead and tell me how sure you are that the burglar in our case was not going to do anything to the woman and her children upon opening the cupboard.

Muggers are very different from burglars who make sure the house is empty.

[Sapphic Lesbia]

The life of a thief who is trying to rob my home is not worth much to me. You guys seriously must be borderline naive and psycho to think that she shouldn't have shot him.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Yes. Because if I want someones rant about freedom I go to Youtube. If I need to statistics to prove a point I'll link to a study that provides sources. You should do the same.

This wasnt someone's rant it was a documentry.

And it's an incorrect documentry. I have no idea where they sourced their data from but it clashes horribly with every other data table in Australia.

http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/b ... /CJB98.pdf

[Frisivisia]

Yes. Because if I want someones rant about freedom I go to Youtube. If I need to statistics to prove a point I'll link to a study that provides sources. You should do the same.

This wasnt someone's rant it was a documentry.

So I can just link you the Amazon page for Bowling for Columbine and proclaim myself winner of the argument?

[Galla-]

Looks more like she killed someone who was worried when she didn't answer the door.

Indeed, the rational response to someone not answering their door is to proceed to break down said door and begin stuffing your pockets with their things.

Clearly the woman was at fault here. The man was a victim. Death to gun owners.

[Inyourfaceistan]

She was in the closet.

Where else would you expect somone panicked to hide?

If they had a gun, then at the far end of a large room with one door, or the end of a hallway.

Re-read the fucking statement.

Not some stable minded individual racking his head to think of a plan in which he pretends he was in said situation, rather "Ahhh!! Some stranger who shouldn't be here is in my house!!! OMG OMG what do I do?!?!"

[Tlaceceyaya]

If they had a gun, then at the far end of a large room with one door, or the end of a hallway.

Re-read the fucking statement.

Not some stable minded individual racking his head to think of a plan in which he pretends he was in said situation, rather "Ahhh!! Some stranger who shouldn't be here is in my house!!! OMG OMG what do I do?!?!"

Okay.

If I were in that state of mind, I would definitely not trap myself in a tight space. Seems counterintuitive.

[Miss Defied]

Man knocks on the door, woman doesn't know him and calls husband to ask if he's expecting anyone. He says no, tells her to take the kids and hide. She yells "Go away!". She sees the man grab the crowbar, she grabs the gun, runs upstairs, and hides. the man enters the room, she panics and shoots him 6 times in non- lethal areas (She dis not purposely avoid shooting him in areas that would kill him, he got lucky.) He somehow makes it out of the house, gets in his car, and starts to drive away. He crashes into a tree and the police find him there. He's taken to a hospital, survives, and the police plan to arrest him. (This was as-reported by the local news stations).

I think the "whisper down the lane" method of information transmission may have altered the story a bit. Seems to be a bit different from facts reported.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Re-read the fucking statement.

Not some stable minded individual racking his head to think of a plan in which he pretends he was in said situation, rather "Ahhh!! Some stranger who shouldn't be here is in my house!!! OMG OMG what do I do?!?!"

Okay.

If I were in that state of mind, I would definitely not trap myself in a tight space. Seems counterintuitive.

I think her first instinct was to HIDE and GET OUT OF HIS WAY...

[Terio]

The women had all right to shoot him. Unless its law enforcement officers with a legit warrant, nobody should have permission to break in to her home. The man didn't have to "show" any violence. Breaking into a home in itself is an act of aggression. Its common sense to defend yourself and you children if someone breaks into your home, even if it means using a firearm.

[Big Jim P]

Guns are designed to accurately propel a projectile safely, guns are not designed to kill.
By going by your analogy, then weapons that fire rubber\bean bag rounds must be defective since it did not penetrate and kill.

Oh please you're living in denial. Since when if ever is firing a projectile ever safe? Also I offered no analogy I gave a fact, less guns means less gun deaths. No amount of side stepping or euphemisms can change that.

Bullshit: http://rense.com/general32/nine.htm

[Emile Zola]

Oh please you're living in denial. Since when if ever is firing a projectile ever safe? Also I offered no analogy I gave a fact, less guns means less gun deaths. No amount of side stepping or euphemisms can change that.

Bullshit: http://rense.com/general32/nine.htm

Rinse and repeat.

Oh please you're living in denial. Since when if ever is firing a projectile ever safe? Also I offered no analogy I gave a fact, less guns means less gun deaths. No amount of side stepping or euphemisms can change that.

Yeah that blog isn't much better then the Youtube clip. Someone with an inherent bias offers up sources that aren't linked and most likely edited to fit their narrative. It is a hilarious read though. Take myth #1. 35,000 people die by gun violence but think of all the people that didn't because guns!! I'm paraphrasing to be sure but c'mon... and you can't see the problem with that? I had you pegged as smarter then this.

[Big Jim P]

Bullshit: http://rense.com/general32/nine.htm

Rinse and repeat.

Oh please you're living in denial. Since when if ever is firing a projectile ever safe? Also I offered no analogy I gave a fact, less guns means less gun deaths. No amount of side stepping or euphemisms can change that.

Yeah that blog isn't much better then the Youtube clip. Someone with an inherent bias offers up sources that aren't linked and most likely edited to fit their narrative. It is a hilarious read though. Take myth #1. 35,000 people die by gun violence but think of all the people that didn't because guns!! I'm paraphrasing to be sure but c'mon... and you can't see the problem with that? I had you pegged as smarter then this.

Then try these on for size:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.gunfacts.info/

Edit: And there is no more bias in my sources than those posted in favor of gun control.

EDIT 2: "35,000 people die by gun violence but think of all the people that didn't because guns!" Now if you want to ban guns for all the deaths they "might" cause, then you cannot legitimately object to me using stats on lives they might save.

[Emile Zola]

Then try these on for size:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.gunfacts.info/

Edit: And there is no more bias in my sources than those posted in favor of gun control.

EDIT 2: "35,000 people die by gun violence but think of all the people that didn't because guns!" Now if you want to ban guns for all the deaths they "might" cause, then you cannot legitimately object to me using stats on lives they might save.

Don't post biased sites and then go but other sites are biased too!! That is weak. When I posted a link it was to a government study on gun violence not sites that have ads for books about how Micheal Moore, Diane Feinstein or whatever lefties are liars. That doesn't help your credibility.

To your second point. Nobody is saying ban all guns. What they are saying is 35,000 gun deaths are too damn high, mass shootings are too frequent, the accessibility of guns too easy to obtain and the saturation of guns in society overwhelming. You frequently claim to be a law abiding gun owner. If stricter gun regulations were enforced in what way would it effect you? None at all.

[Big Jim P]

Then try these on for size:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.gunfacts.info/

Edit: And there is no more bias in my sources than those posted in favor of gun control.

EDIT 2: "35,000 people die by gun violence but think of all the people that didn't because guns!" Now if you want to ban guns for all the deaths they "might" cause, then you cannot legitimately object to me using stats on lives they might save.

Don't post biased sites and then go but other sites are biased too!! That is weak. When I posted a link it was to a government study on gun violence not sites that have ads for books about how Micheal Moore, Diane Feinstein or whatever lefties are liars. That doesn't help your credibility.

To your second point. Nobody is saying ban all guns. What they are saying is 35,000 gun deaths are too damn high, mass shootings are too frequent, the accessibility of guns too easy to obtain and the saturation of guns in society overwhelming. You frequently claim to be a law abiding gun owner. If stricter gun regulations were enforced in what way would it effect you? None at all.

Look at he first link. last time I looked the FBI was a government agency. In any event, none of my sources are any more biased than the sources used to support pro-gun-control policies.

As for 35 000 gun deaths being too high, how many are left after you take out criminals being killed in by people defending themselves?

Finally: Stricter regulation does absolutely nothing to reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals. They do reduce the number of guns in law abiding hands.