Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Republica Newland]

Anyhow,keep on living in a parallel universe where criminals are unarmed and unicorns roam around freely.

Hello! I cheerfully wave from Great Britain!

So you guys have no weapons? Hmm interesting. Weirdly I had reasons to believe otherwise.

But then again shooting someone that would gladly chop you up with a katana,machete,axe,knife,baseball bat,what have you - is immoral to some people such as yourself.

[Inyourfaceistan]

WAIT let me get this straight so right now you're basically telling me that you're not accusing the woman of wrongly shooting the invader but what you're saying is she shouldn't have gotten herself in that situation in the first place (all crawled up in a cupboard with her kids and what have you). Soo.. you're basically accusing her of... Panicking?!! Being terrified?!! Again This Is Real Life. People get panicked and terrified.

No.
You ring my doorbell. I'm scared because you're a black guy or I'm insecure or something. I yell "go away" and, because I don't live in a house with sound-proof walls, you hear it and go away, because you would rather target an empty house.

Or, I don't answer for whatever reason. I hear you break my door. I grab my gun, call the police and lie in wait in a the corner of a room with the door closed. If you enter, you see me and, because you're a burglar and not a home invader, get spooked. You flee the house.

Or, if you decide to run at me and try to attack me because you're suicidal or something, I shoot you, aiming for centre mass. Luckily, I have at least a few seconds to shoot you when you're running at me with a crowbar because I'm in the far corner of a large room, or a room with obstacles I can shoot over but are difficult to climb over.



By reacting intelligently, no one dies unless they are directly threatening me.

Nuh-uh! Can't you see he plays CoD? People never get panicked and make bad descesions in REAL life or death situations!

[Inyourfaceistan]

No. He's blaming the gun for the murders committed.
Gun made it easier to kill people = guns fault

Paint made it easier to graffiti = paint's fault
Fast cars made it easier to speed = car's fault
Lighters made it easier to start fires = lighter's fault

The only purpose of a lighter is to start fires. The only reason to own a lighter is to start fires. Obviously a lighter is blameless. The blame lies with a culture which glorifies the tools of destruction in word and deed.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Or, I don't answer for whatever reason. I hear you break my door. I grab my gun, call the police and lie in wait in a the corner of a room with the door closed. If you enter, you see me and, because you're a burglar and not a home invader, get spooked. You flee the house.

Newsflash: Thats what happened.

Except then the burglar went into the closet, and BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM MOTHA FUCKER!!!

Except that's not what happened. According to numerous sources, she wasn't on the far side of the room - there was at most a metre or two between them.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Newsflash: Thats what happened.

Except then the burglar went into the closet, and BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM MOTHA FUCKER!!!

Except that's not what happened. According to numerous sources, she wasn't on the far side of the room - there was at most a metre or two between them.

She was in the closet.

Where else would you expect somone panicked to hide?

[Republica Newland]

The only purpose of a lighter is to start fires. The only reason to own a lighter is to start fires. Obviously a lighter is blameless. The blame lies with a culture which glorifies the tools of destruction in word and deed.

Gasoline's single purpose is to burn (ok it has several other uses but bear with me). A lighter's single purpose is to light fires.Those 2 plus an arsonist = a burnt house and family. A drug's use is generally to make people feel good.Take alcohol for example.Pair that with someone and you have a drunken person. A car's use is to run.Not over people that is.However pair it with a drunken or irresponsible driver and it will.
Similarly,a gun's use is to protect.Pair it with an irresponsible or distraught man,or a criminal for that matter,and you've got yourself a murder.And that goes the same for a knife.Or a baseball bat.And so on.

Logic is simple.Let's talk logic.

[Chernoslavia]

So your admitting that you arent responsible enough to have a gun?

hide in a closet and punch them to death when they open the door because you thought they were a murderer.

He had a crowbar for crying out loud!

[Grinning Dragon]

Except that's not what happened. According to numerous sources, she wasn't on the far side of the room - there was at most a metre or two between them.

She was in the closet.

Where else would you expect someone panicked to hide?

In a magic coat closet that leads to Narnia silly.

[Emile Zola]

Gasoline's single purpose is to burn (ok it has several other uses but bear with me). A lighter's single purpose is to light fires.Those 2 plus an arsonist = a burnt house and family. A drug's use is generally to make people feel good.Take alcohol for example.Pair that with someone and you have a drunken person. A car's use is to run.Not over people that is.However pair it with a drunken or irresponsible driver and it will.
Similarly,a gun's use is to protect.Pair it with an irresponsible or distraught man,or a criminal for that matter,and you've got yourself a murder.And that goes the same for a knife.Or a baseball bat.And so on.

Logic is simple.Let's talk logic.

Oh this bollocks again. A gun is designed to kill that is it. It has no other purpose. "Protection" means inflicting fatal wounds you can't set a gun to stun. The debate in the US isn't about taking away guns but what level of gun deaths are acceptable. We had the same debate in Australia fifteen years ago after our last massacre. We tightened our gun laws and had the largest gun buyback ever. Reduced our gun deaths by over 40% and we have had no mass shootings since.

[Mavorpen]

Except that's not what happened. According to numerous sources, she wasn't on the far side of the room - there was at most a metre or two between them.

She was in the closet.

Where else would you expect somone panicked to hide?

If the guy has a close ranged weapon, it's not a good idea to hide in a closed space.

[Coccygia]

He was just looking to validate his parking ticket.

and the validation stamp was in the attic office, it was her fault after all. thank you for clearing that up. SHE IS A WITCH, BURN HER.

Hold on there. First we have to see if she weighs the same as a duck.

[Grinning Dragon]

By that logic, wouldn't the only acceptable price for a gun be $0.00? After all, whatever the price, there will be someone who can't afford it.

*shrug*
One would have to get the case to the Supreme Court (hell, maybe some formula has been established already and I don't know, I ain't no lawyer) but I'd assume the cost of manufacture would have to be included (I mean, one has the right to free speech but can't just use a printing press willy-nilly for free because of that right).

I think what you would be looking for in this case falls under the 5th Amendment, courts have come to recognize that two aspects of due process exist and part of that is substantive due process, which is why the govt cannot price a right out of existence, and doing so could be challenged Constitutionally.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Except that's not what happened. According to numerous sources, she wasn't on the far side of the room - there was at most a metre or two between them.

She was in the closet.

Where else would you expect somone panicked to hide?

If they had a gun, then at the far end of a large room with one door, or the end of a hallway.

[Republica Newland]

On the subject of gun control for law-abiding citizens

Banning guns is treating the symptom not the cause.And the cause for gun incidents with otherwise law-abiding citizens is either stupidity or misinformation or neglect.All of this can be treated with basic education.

Guess what.Gun safety isn't rocket science or neurosurgery - it's pretty straightforward. If you don't want to shoot the weapon you don't fire the trigger,as simple as that. Most guns out on the market today are dropsafe - that is,they will not fire if accidentally dropped. The best safety is your brain and it beats any mechanical ones.

[Tlaceceyaya]

hide in a closet and punch them to death when they open the door because you thought they were a murderer.

He had a crowbar for crying out loud!

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm explaining what Prior meant when he said there was no chance of him accidentally killing a family member with his fists. You thought it meant he was irresponsible with a gun. What is far more likely is that he meant things like misfiring or shooting first and even bothering to see if you know them later. I was explaining that you can't do that with a fist.

[Grinning Dragon]

Gasoline's single purpose is to burn (ok it has several other uses but bear with me). A lighter's single purpose is to light fires.Those 2 plus an arsonist = a burnt house and family. A drug's use is generally to make people feel good.Take alcohol for example.Pair that with someone and you have a drunken person. A car's use is to run.Not over people that is.However pair it with a drunken or irresponsible driver and it will.
Similarly,a gun's use is to protect.Pair it with an irresponsible or distraught man,or a criminal for that matter,and you've got yourself a murder.And that goes the same for a knife.Or a baseball bat.And so on.

Logic is simple.Let's talk logic.

Oh this bollocks again. A gun is designed to kill that is it. It has no other purpose. "Protection" means inflicting fatal wounds you can't set a gun to stun. The debate in the US isn't about taking away guns but what level of gun deaths are acceptable. We had the same debate in Australia fifteen years ago after our last massacre. We tightened our gun laws and had the largest gun buyback ever. Reduced our gun deaths by over 40% and we have had no mass shootings since.

Guns are designed to accurately propel a projectile safely, guns are not designed to kill.
By going by your analogy, then weapons that fire rubber\bean bag rounds must be defective since it did not penetrate and kill.

[Republica Newland]

hide in a closet and punch them to death when they open the door because you thought they were a murderer.

He had a crowbar for crying out loud!

Right,because a bare-fisted female would obviously win in a fight with a male armed with a crowbar.1 blow to the head and she could have been killed.

[Chernoslavia]

Gasoline's single purpose is to burn (ok it has several other uses but bear with me). A lighter's single purpose is to light fires.Those 2 plus an arsonist = a burnt house and family. A drug's use is generally to make people feel good.Take alcohol for example.Pair that with someone and you have a drunken person. A car's use is to run.Not over people that is.However pair it with a drunken or irresponsible driver and it will.
Similarly,a gun's use is to protect.Pair it with an irresponsible or distraught man,or a criminal for that matter,and you've got yourself a murder.And that goes the same for a knife.Or a baseball bat.And so on.

Logic is simple.Let's talk logic.

Reduced our gun deaths by over 40% and we have had no mass shootings since.

Not really.

Armed robberies went up 66%

Assault with guns rose 28%

Gun murders increased by 19%

Home invasions rose 21%

[Republica Newland]

Go figure.Oh and remember that a gun isn't necesarily lethal.Shoot someone in a non vital area and he will die only if you let him bleed to death (which could take several hours). Or you could always just threaten to use it or use it for melee.
But then again blades and blunt weapons can be just as deadly.. And tasers and other such non lethal weapons sometimes prove to be lethal.

Things really aren't as simple as they may seem.However a gun or weapon in the hands of a law abiding,morally upright citizen is in my view better than any kind of police or military ever will.

Reduced our gun deaths by over 40% and we have had no mass shootings since.

Not really.

Armed robberies went up 66%

Assault with guns rose 28%

Gun murders increased by 19%

Home invasions rose 21%

[Bafuria]

Gasoline's single purpose is to burn (ok it has several other uses but bear with me). A lighter's single purpose is to light fires.Those 2 plus an arsonist = a burnt house and family. A drug's use is generally to make people feel good.Take alcohol for example.Pair that with someone and you have a drunken person. A car's use is to run.Not over people that is.However pair it with a drunken or irresponsible driver and it will.
Similarly,a gun's use is to protect.Pair it with an irresponsible or distraught man,or a criminal for that matter,and you've got yourself a murder.And that goes the same for a knife.Or a baseball bat.And so on.

Logic is simple.Let's talk logic.

Oh this bollocks again. A gun is designed to kill that is it. It has no other purpose. "Protection" means inflicting fatal wounds you can't set a gun to stun. The debate in the US isn't about taking away guns but what level of gun deaths are acceptable. We had the same debate in Australia fifteen years ago after our last massacre. We tightened our gun laws and had the largest gun buyback ever. Reduced our gun deaths by over 40% and we have had no mass shootings since.

I suppose murdering people is a popular shooting sport in the Czech Republic then.

[Emile Zola]

Guns are designed to accurately propel a projectile safely, guns are not designed to kill.
By going by your analogy, then weapons that fire rubber\bean bag rounds must be defective since it did not penetrate and kill.

Oh please you're living in denial. Since when if ever is firing a projectile ever safe? Also I offered no analogy I gave a fact, less guns means less gun deaths. No amount of side stepping or euphemisms can change that.

[Emile Zola]

Not really.

Armed robberies went up 66%

Assault with guns rose 28%

Gun murders increased by 19%

Home invasions rose 21%

Source?

[Chernoslavia]

Not really.

Armed robberies went up 66%

Assault with guns rose 28%

Gun murders increased by 19%

Home invasions rose 21%

Source?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFU1CxYNnG0

Skip to 1:50

[Chernoslavia]

Guns are designed to accurately propel a projectile safely, guns are not designed to kill.
By going by your analogy, then weapons that fire rubber\bean bag rounds must be defective since it did not penetrate and kill.

Oh please you're living in denial. Since when if ever is firing a projectile ever safe? Also I offered no analogy I gave a fact, less guns means less gun deaths. No amount of side stepping or euphemisms can change that.

Source?

[Emile Zola]

Oh please you're living in denial. Since when if ever is firing a projectile ever safe? Also I offered no analogy I gave a fact, less guns means less gun deaths. No amount of side stepping or euphemisms can change that.

Source?

Happy to help.

Firearm related deaths in Australia, 1991-2001

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.html