Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Dazchan]

No more so than we pick on poor people when they buy an automobile.

There is no right to keep and drive cars. There is a right to keep and bear arms. Keeping within this right means one must not increase prices past some degree where it would be onerous on the consumer.

By that logic, wouldn't the only acceptable price for a gun be $0.00? After all, whatever the price, there will be someone who can't afford it.

[Priory Academy USSR]

No more so than we pick on poor people when they buy an automobile.

There is no right to keep and drive cars. There is a right to keep and bear arms. Keeping within this right means one must not increase prices past some degree where it would be onerous on the consumer.

Doesn't it concern you that the Gun argument always relies on hypotheticals?

It really does.

The problem is, at BEST, it's BOTH sides arguing hypotheticals. (If this is what you were pointing out I apologize, but I felt more explicitly stating it would be best.)


The whole 'gun control' argument rests on people hypothetically not being responsible at some point in the future after purchasing a firearm.

Yeah, this is why I can't walk down the street at night without Dragon Skin and an Mp5 without feeling safe for me or my family.

Your biased "truth" stinks worse then an outhouse bathed in midsummer heat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Well, would you look at that. America has 4 times as many killings as the fairly gunless country I'm from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

And 40 times as many firearms related deaths.

America has a considerably higher homicide ratio than gn controlling countries. I doubt the difference is purely due to the availibility of guns (for the first list at least), but I suspect it's a contributing factor at the very least.

[Occupied Deutschland]

There is no right to keep and drive cars. There is a right to keep and bear arms. Keeping within this right means one must not increase prices past some degree where it would be onerous on the consumer.

By that logic, wouldn't the only acceptable price for a gun be $0.00? After all, whatever the price, there will be someone who can't afford it.

*shrug*
One would have to get the case to the Supreme Court (hell, maybe some formula has been established already and I don't know, I ain't no lawyer) but I'd assume the cost of manufacture would have to be included (I mean, one has the right to free speech but can't just use a printing press willy-nilly for free because of that right).

[Inyourfaceistan]

Difference between an inanimate object and a person who is inclined to kill.

Inanimate objects make it considerably easier to kill.

Also, I don't think there's a chance of me killing one of my family accidentally with my fists.

Dude...

Have you ever fucking hit a wall with your elbow on purpose?
Now imagine that being someone's neck...

[Inyourfaceistan]

An idea?

I just heard this on a local call-in radio show.

We have to sign our names on a list at the pharmacy in order to buy Robitussin cough syrup.

Why not just sign a list when we buy ammo?

Another idea: require liability insurance for firearms. If your weapon is used to kill someone (illegally), you must pay damages. It would raise the cost of firearm purchases considerably, for one thing. For another, it could help establish a victim compensation fund.

Yeah, fuck poor people. Price the right to exercise their right to keep and bear arms out of existence for the poor. nice.

You give me a very excellent idea...

[Republica Newland]

Not too hard to make your own.

Should we not have control on drugs because it's easy enough to make your own?

Right,cuz' banning drugs has worked wonders.Go figure.

[Republica Newland]

Difference between an inanimate object and a person who is inclined to kill.

Inanimate objects make it considerably easier to kill.

Also, I don't think there's a chance of me killing one of my family accidentally with my fists.

Oh,you'd be surprised.

[Republica Newland]

An idea?

I just heard this on a local call-in radio show.

We have to sign our names on a list at the pharmacy in order to buy Robitussin cough syrup.

Why not just sign a list when we buy ammo?

Another idea: require liability insurance for firearms. If your weapon is used to kill someone (illegally), you must pay damages. It would raise the cost of firearm purchases considerably, for one thing. For another, it could help establish a victim compensation fund.

There's this thing here in America that we use for settling killings and such - it's called a court! And guess what? Incredibly,but YES,it not only puts people behind bars,it also makes them pay damages among other things.

L.E.: goddammit i really love my tone right now

[Tanking]

Oh my god, this entire site is 2antisafety4me. Seriously, why are people against giving the ability to one to protect themselves? It's almost like you are all edgy 15 year olds against basic human rights... which you are. Why would any sane person try to limit one's ability to defend themselves?

[Republica Newland]

Oh my god, this entire site is 2antisafety4me. Seriously, why are people against giving the ability to one to protect themselves? It's almost like you are all edgy 15 year olds against basic human rights... which you are. Why would any sane person try to limit one's ability to defend themselves?

Apparently self-defense is no more valuable than comitting a crime to these people.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Oh my god, this entire site is 2antisafety4me. Seriously, why are people against giving the ability to one to protect themselves? It's almost like you are all edgy 15 year olds against basic human rights... which you are. Why would any sane person try to limit one's ability to defend themselves?

Because their educated idiots I guess.

From what I can tell it comes from two factors:

1) All violence is bad. Point blank period-End of story-nananabooboo I can't hear you; so let's attack everyone who uses a gun to defend themselves.

2) Deep deep down their they think we don't deserve property, and the idea of "mine vs yours" is moot; so therefore using lethal force to defend yours is bad, because your defending somthing you shouldn't have anyway...

[Tlaceceyaya]

Oh my god, this entire site is 2antisafety4me. Seriously, why are people against giving the ability to one to protect themselves? It's almost like you are all edgy 15 year olds against basic human rights... which you are. Why would any sane person try to limit one's ability to defend themselves?

Because their educated idiots I guess.

From what I can tell it comes from two factors:

1) All violence is bad. Point blank period-End of story-nananabooboo I can't hear you; so let's attack everyone who uses a gun to defend themselves.

2) Deep deep down their they think we don't deserve property, and the idea of "mine vs yours" is moot; so therefore using lethal force to defend yours is bad, because your defending somthing you shouldn't have anyway...

Another possibility is that they think telling someone to go away, even if it's just yelling through the door (doors are not sound proof), is better than panicking, grabbing a gun and hiding someplace where you will shoot them the moment you see them, even if they don't want to attack you.

[Tanking]

Because their educated idiots I guess.

From what I can tell it comes from two factors:

1) All violence is bad. Point blank period-End of story-nananabooboo I can't hear you; so let's attack everyone who uses a gun to defend themselves.

2) Deep deep down their they think we don't deserve property, and the idea of "mine vs yours" is moot; so therefore using lethal force to defend yours is bad, because your defending somthing you shouldn't have anyway...

Another possibility is that they think telling someone to go away, even if it's just yelling through the door (doors are not sound proof), is better than panicking, grabbing a gun and hiding someplace where you will shoot them the moment you see them, even if they don't want to attack you.

You don't know their intentions. You don't know why they are outside, they may be trying to silently enter the home. They don't even know if someone is home. You don't know if they have a gun. That also brings me back to my point, criminals will always have illegal things, why not at least let citizens have the same if not better (however that may be possible) level of armament?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Because their educated idiots I guess.

From what I can tell it comes from two factors:

1) All violence is bad. Point blank period-End of story-nananabooboo I can't hear you; so let's attack everyone who uses a gun to defend themselves.

2) Deep deep down their they think we don't deserve property, and the idea of "mine vs yours" is moot; so therefore using lethal force to defend yours is bad, because your defending somthing you shouldn't have anyway...

Another possibility is that they think telling someone to go away, even if it's just yelling through the door (doors are not sound proof), is better than panicking, grabbing a gun and hiding someplace where you will shoot them the moment you see them, even if they don't want to attack you.

I ring your doorbell. You don't answer.

I get to go to my car, get out a crowbar and steal your shit without a fight?

[Chernoslavia]

Difference between an inanimate object and a person who is inclined to kill.

Inanimate objects make it considerably easier to kill.

Also, I don't think there's a chance of me killing one of my family accidentally with my fists.

So your admitting that you arent responsible enough to have a gun?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Inanimate objects make it considerably easier to kill.

Also, I don't think there's a chance of me killing one of my family accidentally with my fists.

So your admitting that you arent responsible enough to have a gun?

No. He's blaming the gun for the murders committed.
Gun made it easier to kill people = guns fault

Paint made it easier to graffiti = paint's fault
Fast cars made it easier to speed = car's fault
Lighters made it easier to start fires = lighter's fault

[Tlaceceyaya]

Another possibility is that they think telling someone to go away, even if it's just yelling through the door (doors are not sound proof), is better than panicking, grabbing a gun and hiding someplace where you will shoot them the moment you see them, even if they don't want to attack you.

I ring your doorbell. You don't answer.

I get to go to my car, get out a crowbar and steal your shit without a fight?

No.
You ring my doorbell. I'm scared because you're a black guy or I'm insecure or something. I yell "go away" and, because I don't live in a house with sound-proof walls, you hear it and go away, because you would rather target an empty house.

Or, I don't answer for whatever reason. I hear you break my door. I grab my gun, call the police and lie in wait in a the corner of a room with the door closed. If you enter, you see me and, because you're a burglar and not a home invader, get spooked. You flee the house.

Or, if you decide to run at me and try to attack me because you're suicidal or something, I shoot you, aiming for centre mass. Luckily, I have at least a few seconds to shoot you when you're running at me with a crowbar because I'm in the far corner of a large room, or a room with obstacles I can shoot over but are difficult to climb over.



By reacting intelligently, no one dies unless they are directly threatening me.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Inanimate objects make it considerably easier to kill.

Also, I don't think there's a chance of me killing one of my family accidentally with my fists.

So your admitting that you arent responsible enough to have a gun?

He means that you can't pass somebody your fist and have it accidentally go off, or hide in a closet and punch them to death when they open the door because you thought they were a murderer.

[Falcania]

So your admitting that you arent responsible enough to have a gun?

No. He's blaming the gun for the murders committed.
Gun made it easier to kill people = guns fault

Paint made it easier to graffiti = paint's fault
Fast cars made it easier to speed = car's fault
Lighters made it easier to start fires = lighter's fault

The only purpose of a gun is to destroy. The only reason to own a gun is to destroy. Obviously a gun is blameless. The blame lies with a culture which glorifies the tools of destruction in word and deed.

[Republica Newland]

Oh but what isgoing on with this gun control I keep on hearing about?
Care to expand on the subject? And show us some of your brilliant ideas?

First off,I'm tired of hearing lefties talk about "gun control" - let's face it,for you the "golden standard",the ideal would be complete ban prohibition Maybe I'm wrong,but that's what most anti-gun people that I got to know a little better actually seem to want.

Now,that would be all fine and dandy in an ideal world.But guess what? What you can't get in those tight little nutshells of yours is that We live in real life. Criminals are going to get their hands on guns no matter what,no matter how illegal,that's what they do - it's their job to break the law.
So,now we could either let law-abiding citizens have a chance - or take away their guns and hope for the police to help them. Well guess what,some more news: what is the average response time of American police? Anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes if not more. That's enough time tfor your entire family to get killed a couple of times. What is the response time of a bullet I ask you? Under 1 second.

Do any of you anti-gun people even make some research into what percentage of guns used in violent crimes are actually legally obtained and owned?

How many murders have been comitted with a registered fully automatic weapon since they have been all but banned over 70 years ago? I'm gonna let you guess.A dozen? No. 6? Nope? Not 5 not 4 not 3 not 2 but 1 single incident involving a registered fully auto weapon in over 70 years. People that own one of these are some of the most law abiding citizens you will ever meet.

Secondly. Gun politics in the USA has been a bunch of bullshit. The Clinton Assault Weapons ban is nothing more than a political tool to please the ignorant masses. It didn't ban dangerous guns,but rather "threatening"-looking ones. Having a bayonet mount or a telescoping stock on my rifle won't make it any more deadly.It will just make it look more "threatening" to sheeple like you. Saying otherwise is just plain stupidity. It's like saying that a car witha custom hood for example would kill a pedestrian more effectively if you were to hit him.

Anyhow,keep on living in a parallel universe where criminals are unarmed and unicorns roam around freely.

[Tanking]

Oh but what isgoing on with this gun control I keep on hearing about?
Care to expand on the subject? And show us some of your brilliant ideas?

First off,I'm tired of hearing lefties talk about "gun control" - let's face it,for you the "golden standard",the ideal would be complete ban prohibition Maybe I'm wrong,but that's what most anti-gun people that I got to know a little better actually seem to want.

Now,that would be all fine and dandy in an ideal world.But guess what? What you can't get in those tight little nutshells of yours is that We live in real life. Criminals are going to get their hands on guns no matter what,no matter how illegal,that's what they do - it's their job to break the law.
So,now we could either let law-abiding citizens have a chance - or take away their guns and hope for the police to help them. Well guess what,some more news: what is the average response time of American police? Anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes if not more. That's enough time tfor your entire family to get killed a couple of times. What is the response time of a bullet I ask you? Under 1 second.

Do any of you anti-gun people even make some research into what percentage of guns used in violent crimes are actually legally obtained and owned?

How many murders have been comitted with a registered fully automatic weapon since they have been all but banned over 70 years ago? I'm gonna let you guess.A dozen? No. 6? Nope? Not 5 not 4 not 3 not 2 but 1 single incident involving a registered fully auto weapon in over 70 years. People that own one of these are some of the most law abiding citizens you will ever meet.

Secondly. Gun politics in the USA has been a bunch of bullshit. The Clinton Assault Weapons ban is nothing more than a political tool to please the ignorant masses. It didn't ban dangerous guns,but rather "threatening"-looking ones. Having a bayonet mount or a telescoping stock on my rifle won't make it any more deadly.It will just make it look more "threatening" to sheeple like you. Saying otherwise is just plain stupidity. It's like saying that a car witha custom hood for example would kill a pedestrian more effectively if you were to hit him.

Anyhow,keep on living in a parallel universe where criminals are unarmed and unicorns roam around freely.

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[Occupied Deutschland]

I ring your doorbell. You don't answer.

I get to go to my car, get out a crowbar and steal your shit without a fight?

No.
You ring my doorbell. I'm scared because you're a black guy or I'm insecure or something. I yell "go away" and, because I don't live in a house with sound-proof walls, you hear it and go away, because you would rather target an empty house.

Or, I don't answer for whatever reason. I hear you break my door. I grab my gun, call the police and lie in wait in a the corner of a room with the door closed. If you enter, you see me and, because you're a burglar and not a home invader, get spooked. You flee the house.

Or, if you decide to run at me and try to attack me because you're suicidal or something, I shoot you, aiming for centre mass. Luckily, I have at least a few seconds to shoot you when you're running at me with a crowbar because I'm in the far corner of a large room, or a room with obstacles I can shoot over but are difficult to climb over.



By reacting intelligently, no one dies unless they are directly threatening me.

You didn't read the article did you?

Great googly-moogly I'm getting so tired of addressing the same lack of facts over and over.

[Falcania]

Anyhow,keep on living in a parallel universe where criminals are unarmed and unicorns roam around freely.

Hello! I cheerfully wave from Great Britain!

[Republica Newland]

WAIT let me get this straight so right now you're basically telling me that you're not accusing the woman of wrongly shooting the invader but what you're saying is she shouldn't have gotten herself in that situation in the first place (all crawled up in a cupboard with her kids and what have you). Soo.. you're basically accusing her of... Panicking?!! Being terrified?!! Again This Is Real Life. People get panicked and terrified.

I ring your doorbell. You don't answer.

I get to go to my car, get out a crowbar and steal your shit without a fight?

No.
You ring my doorbell. I'm scared because you're a black guy or I'm insecure or something. I yell "go away" and, because I don't live in a house with sound-proof walls, you hear it and go away, because you would rather target an empty house.

Or, I don't answer for whatever reason. I hear you break my door. I grab my gun, call the police and lie in wait in a the corner of a room with the door closed. If you enter, you see me and, because you're a burglar and not a home invader, get spooked. You flee the house.

Or, if you decide to run at me and try to attack me because you're suicidal or something, I shoot you, aiming for centre mass. Luckily, I have at least a few seconds to shoot you when you're running at me with a crowbar because I'm in the far corner of a large room, or a room with obstacles I can shoot over but are difficult to climb over.



By reacting intelligently, no one dies unless they are directly threatening me.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Or, I don't answer for whatever reason. I hear you break my door. I grab my gun, call the police and lie in wait in a the corner of a room with the door closed. If you enter, you see me and, because you're a burglar and not a home invader, get spooked. You flee the house.

Newsflash: Thats what happened.

Except then the burglar went into the closet, and BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM MOTHA FUCKER!!!