Taiwan-ROC or the "People's Republic" of China

[North Stradia]

You're very, very bad at trying to direct the debate. That wasn't even remotely what I was saying, or what we're even debating about. That's basically just rude.
The fact of the matter is, China is run by bribes. State ownership there is effectively a fraud. It's not an inherent trait of capitalism at all, it's just how they do things.
Thus, China cannot be reliably characterized as a "state-run economy".
And "worst system ever"? You sound like Comic Book Guy.
And communism needs bribes, after all, you gotta get a second roll of toilet paper a month somehow.

Have you actually read how the soviet economy works?

By massacring those who got in the way, for example the Holodomor.

[Kengburg]

Taiwan and China are trying to claim each other, neither have the legitimate right to do so. The ROC should just change it's name to the "Republic of Taiwan" to end this BS territory fight with China, the reason so many countries unrecognized the ROC was to cozy up to China so they could get cheap imported goods. Taiwan is a large economy, and has done quite good for itself, it has a larger GDP than Malaysia or Thailand so I do not see why it should not be recognized when it is so firmly cemented in the international community. What I do not get is that the UN gets in bed with Palestine when it has done twice the crap to Israel than the Republic of Taiwan has done to China, and the ROC exports 10x as much products to some of the people that do not even recognize it. What's even worse is that all the stuff Taiwan did to China was eighty years ago, yet Palestine has been bombing Israel just a month or two ago. It really makes no sense to me.

[CTALNH]

What is it with foreigner and democracy?

Do you even know what your saying?

Lindnholt what you meant to say is "Is Taiwan a real republic?"

Oh, maybe that amazing new idea that the people should have a say in their own affairs?

Are we talking about the Democracy = American Meaning
Or democracy = the Greek system...

[North Stradia]

Oh, maybe that amazing new idea that the people should have a say in their own affairs?

Are we talking about the Democracy = American Meaning
Or democracy = the Greek system...

American (representative) democracy is good enough for now. However, as Internet access becomes universal, I expect a transition to direct democracy.

[South Minorqa]

We recognise PRC as left-wing comrades but we also recognise Taiwan's independence, as long as you stop calling yourself China.

[Kengburg]

Oh, maybe that amazing new idea that the people should have a say in their own affairs?

Are we talking about the Democracy = American Meaning
Or democracy = the Greek system...

Both of you are wrong: He means a republic

[Greater Somalia]

Taiwan is part of China. Deal with it.

[Calimera II]

Taiwan is part of China. Deal with it.

That's why it has it owns military, troups, government, valuta, capital..
Yea sure.

[Kengburg]

Taiwan is part of China. Deal with it.

Historically, China is the true territory of the Nationalists, who fled to Taiwan when being overthrown by rebels. Since China has been Communist for so many years I wouldn't say Taiwan has the right to take back China, but China has no right to take Taiwan.
Edit: Could anyone see this scenario of an Asian Standoff happening if China would try to take Taiwan?
China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, East Russia vs Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and US Pacific Fleet
Who would win?

[Chinese Regions]

My point was, the RoC becomes the government of China and creates a united China which would eventually create a united Asia. Or it allies itself/becomes part of another Asian state, that way, a Japan+Taiwan or Korea+Taiwan union conquers the PRC and creating an united Asia.

I don't want to be offensive but....

What have you been smoking/drinking?

Korea+Taiwan, Japan+Taiwan or even Japan+Korea+Taiwan would have American backing in the conquering of China. Of course this option results in war, hence this is my second favoured option. RoC ruling China is my favoured option.

[Chinese Regions]

Oh, maybe that amazing new idea that the people should have a say in their own affairs?

Are we talking about the Democracy = American Meaning
Or democracy = the Greek system...

You mean each adult greek males who aren't slaves get a say?

[Divair]

Both are countries. End of story.

[CTALNH]

I don't want to be offensive but....

What have you been smoking/drinking?

Korea+Taiwan, Japan+Taiwan or even Japan+Korea+Taiwan would have American backing in the conquering of China. Of course this option results in war, hence this is my second favoured option. RoC ruling China is my favoured option.

How are you gonna manage ROC taking over China peacefully?

[CTALNH]

Are we talking about the Democracy = American Meaning
Or democracy = the Greek system...

You mean each adult greek males who aren't slaves get a say?

Yes discussing whether they should kill that promiscuous woman by rape or stoning...

[North Stradia]

Korea+Taiwan, Japan+Taiwan or even Japan+Korea+Taiwan would have American backing in the conquering of China. Of course this option results in war, hence this is my second favoured option. RoC ruling China is my favoured option.

How are you gonna manage ROC taking over China peacefully?

Where was peace mentioned?

[Chinese Regions]

Korea+Taiwan, Japan+Taiwan or even Japan+Korea+Taiwan would have American backing in the conquering of China. Of course this option results in war, hence this is my second favoured option. RoC ruling China is my favoured option.

How are you gonna manage ROC taking over China peacefully?

Economic pressure, but this results in another dilemma, make people poor so they will be free later on.

[Kengburg]

How are you gonna manage ROC taking over China peacefully?

Economic pressure, but this results in another dilemma, make people poor so they will be free later on.

Couple problems here:
1. The ROC does not have any economic influence over China
2. China has a 10x larger military
3. The ROC is not recognized by many countries

[Chinese Regions]

Economic pressure, but this results in another dilemma, make people poor so they will be free later on.

Couple problems here:
1. The ROC does not have any economic influence over China
2. China has a 10x larger military
3. The ROC is not recognized by many countries

1. Which we must change, trade more with RoC
2. Hence economic pressure not war
3. Trading with "Chinese Taipei" is still trading with the RoC

[Kengburg]

Couple problems here:
1. The ROC does not have any economic influence over China
2. China has a 10x larger military
3. The ROC is not recognized by many countries

1. Which we must change, trade more with RoC
2. Hence economic pressure not war
3. Trading with "Chinese Taipei" is still trading with the RoC

1. The ROC has a large economy, but not nearly enough to support how much the US relies on China
2. China could invade when feeling pressure
3. Yes, but it is still not recognized by a lot of the countries it trades with

[Chinese Regions]

1. Which we must change, trade more with RoC
2. Hence economic pressure not war
3. Trading with "Chinese Taipei" is still trading with the RoC

1. The ROC has a large economy, but not nearly enough to support how much the US relies on China
2. China could invade when feeling pressure
3. Yes, but it is still not recognized by a lot of the countries it trades with

1. We must rely more on Taiwan then.
2. But then Taiwan could trade with China as well, have friendly relations but with Taiwanese companies having the dominance not the other way round.
3. Doesn't matter, recognition will come after Taiwan builds its strength.

[CTALNH]

Couple problems here:
1. The ROC does not have any economic influence over China
2. China has a 10x larger military
3. The ROC is not recognized by many countries

1. Which we must change, trade more with RoC
2. Hence economic pressure not war
3. Trading with "Chinese Taipei" is still trading with the RoC

You sound more deranged than me talking like that....

[The Blaatschapen]

ROC > PRC.

[Afalia]

I'd like to recognise the ROC, but then we'd be shunned by Communist China which would make things difficult. I'd like to recognise both the ROC and the PROC, but obviously that's impossible.

If I had to only recognise one then I'd recognise the ROC/Taiwan because they're a democratic nation which I hear is also quite lovely.

[Farnhamia]

I'd like to recognise the ROC, but then we'd be shunned by Communist China which would make things difficult. I'd like to recognise both the ROC and the PROC, but obviously that's impossible.

If I had to only recognise one then I'd recognise the ROC/Taiwan because they're a democratic nation which I hear is also quite lovely.

They've only become democratic, to the extent they have, in the last generation. For a very long time there was one-party rule and essentially a military dictatorship, with the mainlanders lording it over the native Taiwanese.

[Afalia]

They've only become democratic, to the extent they have, in the last generation. For a very long time there was one-party rule and essentially a military dictatorship, with the mainlanders lording it over the native Taiwanese.

Yes I know. For a long time neither were democratic. But now they're democratic.