Taiwan-ROC or the "People's Republic" of China

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Down with the American Bootlickers Boooo Taiwan....

And blind nationalism meets blind partisanship!
WHO! WILL! WIN?!

[CTALNH]

Down with the American Bootlickers Boooo Taiwan....

And blind nationalism meets blind partisanship!
WHO! WILL! WIN?!

Does Taiwan have a billion people?
If not China wins....

p.s Yeah I know Taiwan has only around 20 million people...

[The Tiger Kingdom]

And blind nationalism meets blind partisanship!
WHO! WILL! WIN?!

Does Taiwan have a billion people?
If not China wins....

p.s Yeah I know Taiwan has only around 20 million people...

So the sole determining factor of what country deserves to be the "victor" in a massively complex and nuanced geopolitical process is through population?
I suggest you look into the issue a little more.

[French Indochine]

In a military situation, as in the scenario in which hostilities break out between the PRC and ROC - as of 2012, the ROC's armed forces isn't capable of lasting even a week of combat at the most; 3-4 days is the more likely time that they can hold out, as recent defence studies have shown. Thus, the ROC's survival will fall into the hands of the US Pacific Fleet and military, since the US has signed a defense pact with the ROC. That is, if the US Navy will be aggressive and willing to go on with the fight for longer than that those three-four days.

"We are going to fight a long war, and Americans don't like long wars." -Ho Chi Minh

[The Tiger Kingdom]

In a military situation, as in the scenario in which hostilities break out between the PRC and ROC - as of 2012, the ROC's armed forces isn't capable of lasting even a week of combat at the most; 3-4 days is the more likely time that they can hold out, as recent defence studies have shown. Thus, the ROC's survival will fall into the hands of the US Pacific Fleet and military, since the US has signed a defense pact with the ROC. That is, if the US Navy will be aggressive and willing to go on with the fight for longer than that those three-four days.

"We are going to fight a long war, and Americans don't like long wars." -Ho Chi Minh

Naval and inevitable air superiority are a helluva thing. And in such a war, we don't have to invade China to win. All we have to do is not lose Taiwan.

[Chinese Regions]

And Germany committed the holocaust, so what? As long as Japan accepts its crime, I have no problem with them. I'm Chinese Japanophile, there's nothing wrong with that.

Maybe, but the point still stands that no matter how Japan is now, there is no way a majority of Taiwanese citizens would submit to a nation that subjugated some of their ancestors and brutally waged war against other ones. I am a Japanophile too, but Japanophilia doesn't make up a big chunk of our cultures, much more so in your case, I assume. We may have differences in opinion, but it remains the fact that your proposal was very unrealistic, and probably offensive to many Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, etc. (Though I'll admit I was the one who dropped the N-Bomb). My perspective probably isn't very insightful. My entire life up to this point has been spent bunkered up in Minneapolis, well away from the realities of global issues. Where does your viewpoint come from? (By now I can guess that your Japan comment was most likely offhand, but I'd still like to hear more)

My point was, the RoC becomes the government of China and creates a united China which would eventually create a united Asia. Or it allies itself/becomes part of another Asian state, that way, a Japan+Taiwan or Korea+Taiwan union conquers the PRC and creating an united Asia.

[CTALNH]

Does Taiwan have a billion people?
If not China wins....

p.s Yeah I know Taiwan has only around 20 million people...

So the sole determining factor of what country deserves to be the "victor" in a massively complex and nuanced geopolitical process is through population?
I suggest you look into the issue a little more.

Nah I am looking at the point of view of who has more reserves to throw at each other.....

China wins by default....

[Chinese Regions]

Maybe get Taiwanese companies to dominate China?

[CTALNH]

Maybe get Taiwanese companies to dominate China?

How the heck are they gonna dominate state owned companies?

[Calimera II]

China would never invade Taiwan, that would be economic and political suicide.
But china won't recognize taiwan, but will increas economic relations.

That's what I think at least.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

So the sole determining factor of what country deserves to be the "victor" in a massively complex and nuanced geopolitical process is through population?
I suggest you look into the issue a little more.

Nah I am looking at the point of view of who has more reserves to throw at each other.....

China wins by default....

Oh Jesus, you're hilarious.
Take a look at a map of China/Taiwan/the general South Asian area. OK? Now you'll notice there's a relatively small patch of water between China and Taiwan, OK? You with me so far?
Now unless you suggest they form a goddamn human bridge and walk over each other all the way to Formosa, all of China's population superiority counts for jack shit, because you need a Navy to get across the water, and you need air superiority to protect the Navy on its way. China has neither, and we likely will have both, extremely quickly.
Historical precedence is clear: Napoleon had a gigantic army primed to invade England, but couldn't do anything because of the Royal Navy. Hitler had a gigantic army primed to invade England, but couldn't again, thanks again to the RN and RAF.
All China's population? All those people? All those legions of soldiers?
Mean nothing in the face of the gigantic, watery antitank trench that is the Strait of Formosa.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Maybe get Taiwanese companies to dominate China?

How the heck are they gonna dominate state owned companies?

Do you seriously think China is still actually communist?

[CTALNH]

Maybe, but the point still stands that no matter how Japan is now, there is no way a majority of Taiwanese citizens would submit to a nation that subjugated some of their ancestors and brutally waged war against other ones. I am a Japanophile too, but Japanophilia doesn't make up a big chunk of our cultures, much more so in your case, I assume. We may have differences in opinion, but it remains the fact that your proposal was very unrealistic, and probably offensive to many Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, etc. (Though I'll admit I was the one who dropped the N-Bomb). My perspective probably isn't very insightful. My entire life up to this point has been spent bunkered up in Minneapolis, well away from the realities of global issues. Where does your viewpoint come from? (By now I can guess that your Japan comment was most likely offhand, but I'd still like to hear more)

My point was, the RoC becomes the government of China and creates a united China which would eventually create a united Asia. Or it allies itself/becomes part of another Asian state, that way, a Japan+Taiwan or Korea+Taiwan union conquers the PRC and creating an united Asia.

I don't want to be offensive but....

What have you been smoking/drinking?

[Calimera II]

How the heck are they gonna dominate state owned companies?

Do you seriously think China is still actually communist?

Let him think so, he still believes Stalin was a great man.

[CTALNH]

How the heck are they gonna dominate state owned companies?

Do you seriously think China is still actually communist?

I never said or supported that statement....

But the fact remains that their running their country with state capitalism....

[CTALNH]

Do you seriously think China is still actually communist?

Let him think so, he still believes Stalin was a great man.

Stalin was a great leader not a great/good man....
Same thing with Mao...

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Do you seriously think China is still actually communist?

I never said or supported that statement....

But the fact remains that their running their country with state capitalism....

You really need to cut down on ellipses. It starts to look really weird and kinda distracting when they're not used to any actual effect.
Also, your comment on "state-owned companies" led me on. But still, pure capitalism is a much stronger force in China now than any kind of state oversight is. One word: bribes.

[CTALNH]

I never said or supported that statement....

But the fact remains that their running their country with state capitalism....

You really need to cut down on ellipses. It starts to look really weird and kinda distracting when they're not used to any actual effect.
Also, your comment on "state-owned companies" led me on. But still, pure capitalism is a much stronger force in China now than any kind of state oversight is. One word: bribes.

Yes please cement my views that capitalism is the worst system ever by telling me that pure capitalism needs bribes....

[Vecherd]

I feel inclined to support the ones that has not killed millions of people. So I'd say Taiwan should be called the Republic of China.

[Lindenholt]

Is Taiwan democratic??? If yes GO TAIWAN if no: Then they are both assholes

[The Tiger Kingdom]

You really need to cut down on ellipses. It starts to look really weird and kinda distracting when they're not used to any actual effect.
Also, your comment on "state-owned companies" led me on. But still, pure capitalism is a much stronger force in China now than any kind of state oversight is. One word: bribes.

Yes please cement my views that capitalism is the worst system ever by telling me that pure capitalism needs bribes....

You're very, very bad at trying to direct the debate. That wasn't even remotely what I was saying, or what we're even debating about. That's basically just rude.
The fact of the matter is, China is run by bribes. State ownership there is effectively a fraud. It's not an inherent trait of capitalism at all, it's just how they do things.
Thus, China cannot be reliably characterized as a "state-run economy".
And "worst system ever"? You sound like Comic Book Guy.
And communism needs bribes, after all, you gotta get a second roll of toilet paper a month somehow.

[CTALNH]

Is Taiwan democratic??? If yes GO TAIWAN if no: Then they are both assholes

What is it with foreigner and democracy?

Do you even know what your saying?

Lindnholt what you meant to say is "Is Taiwan a real republic?"

[CTALNH]

Yes please cement my views that capitalism is the worst system ever by telling me that pure capitalism needs bribes....

You're very, very bad at trying to direct the debate. That wasn't even remotely what I was saying, or what we're even debating about. That's basically just rude.
The fact of the matter is, China is run by bribes. State ownership there is effectively a fraud. It's not an inherent trait of capitalism at all, it's just how they do things.
Thus, China cannot be reliably characterized as a "state-run economy".
And "worst system ever"? You sound like Comic Book Guy.
And communism needs bribes, after all, you gotta get a second roll of toilet paper a month somehow.

Have you actually read how the soviet economy works?

[North Stradia]

Is Taiwan democratic??? If yes GO TAIWAN if no: Then they are both assholes

What is it with foreigner and democracy?

Do you even know what your saying?

Lindnholt what you meant to say is "Is Taiwan a real republic?"

Oh, maybe that amazing new idea that the people should have a say in their own affairs?

[The Tiger Kingdom]

You're very, very bad at trying to direct the debate. That wasn't even remotely what I was saying, or what we're even debating about. That's basically just rude.
The fact of the matter is, China is run by bribes. State ownership there is effectively a fraud. It's not an inherent trait of capitalism at all, it's just how they do things.
Thus, China cannot be reliably characterized as a "state-run economy".
And "worst system ever"? You sound like Comic Book Guy.
And communism needs bribes, after all, you gotta get a second roll of toilet paper a month somehow.

Have you actually read how the soviet economy works?

I've read how Soviet propagandists claimed it worked, and I've read accounts of how it actually worked.
They don't match very well, and I know which I trust more.