Is there a men's rights movement now afoot?

[Conserative Morality]

If you find NSG to be a place where you can refine your ideas through intellectual challenges, which is missing from your life, I posit that you have both extremely boring friends, and not very well formed opinions.

This is likely why you fail to see the benefits of NSG. You have an attitude that is not conductive to discussion. Half of the time I agree with what you post on here, but it's phrased in such a manner as to make it utterly intolerable.

But that's not really relevant to this topic.

Since when does that stop discussions on here?

[Neo Art]

Calm down, Michel.

You think that was an outburst of emotion?

You're getting heated, stop being hysterical.

[Nadkor]

Calm down, Michel.

You think that was an outburst of emotion?

Or is the 'Michel' a reference I'm not getting?

Michel Foucault was a really very influential French political philosopher (and "calm down" doesn't necessarily refer to emotions or whatever; it can be used when someone's expressing a daft opinion and is told to settle. Well, in my dialect of English, anyway)

Since you're so big on sitting around discussing great matters of politics and philosophy, and since such debates on NSG are just so important, I figured you would have known that.

[Neo Art]

If you find NSG to be a place where you can refine your ideas through intellectual challenges, which is missing from your life, I posit that you have both extremely boring friends, and not very well formed opinions.

This is likely why you fail to see the benefits of NSG. You have an attitude that is not conductive to discussion. Half of the time I agree with what you post on here, but it's phrased in such a manner as to make it utterly intolerable.

Anyone who takes the quisling path of "gee, I'd agree with you if you were NICER" to me is worthless as an intellectual ally.

But, again, I feel I have to remind you, I'm not the topic of this thread.

[Conserative Morality]

Michel Foucault was a really very influential French political philosopher.

I'm not familiar with him. Would you recommend his works?

Since you're so big on sitting around discussing great matters of politics and philosophy, and since such debates on NSG are just so important, I figured you would have known that.

I never said they were 'just so important'. I said they provide more than just entertainment.

[Ostroeuropa]

I never claimed they were important either.
They just shouldn't be dismissed, and they can, potentially, be important in one way or another if they have actual effects on peoples mentality or behaviour.

[Conserative Morality]

Anyone who takes the quisling path of "gee, I'd agree with you if you were NICER" to me is worthless as an intellectual ally.

For someone so enamored with action, you seem to forget that the nature of action in a democratic society must come from mass support or acceptance, which one does not get by continually acting in such a manner as to offput one's potential allies.

But, of course, you are here 'for the lulz', as some would say.

But, again, I feel I have to remind you, I'm not the topic of this thread.

If you are so keen on staying on topic, perhaps you should refrain from making comments that are off-topic and then trying to avoid discussion of said comments?

[Nadkor]

Michel Foucault was a really very influential French political philosopher.

I'm not familiar with him. Would you recommend his works?

Some. Governmentality is interesting, but for that you really need to go to Nikolas Rose's developments of it.

Since you're so big on sitting around discussing great matters of politics and philosophy, and since such debates on NSG are just so important, I figured you would have known that.

I never said they were 'just so important'. I said they provide more than just entertainment.

NSG is a way of wasting time when you don't have anything else to do. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but let's not pretend that it's anything else.

[Ostroeuropa]

Besides, I don't see how the fact we're discussing something should sway our opinion on the matter. So it comes down to just a personal attack you've made on us.

[Neo Art]

Some. Governmentality is interesting, but for that you really need to go to Nikolas Rose's developments of it.

Discipline and Punish was a MASSIVE let down. It's just about some fucking prisons.

[Ostroeuropa]

Some. Governmentality is interesting, but for that you really need to go to Nikolas Rose's developments of it.

Discipline and Punish was a MASSIVE let down. It's just about some fucking prisons.

Anthropomorphic pornography? He sounds more interesting suddenly.

[Oppressorion]

I believe that bringing up the 'How has NS helped you?' thread would be useful here.

[Conserative Morality]

Some. Governmentality is interesting, but for that you really need to go to Nikolas Rose's developments of it.

I'll look into them then.

NSG is a way of wasting time when you don't have anything else to do. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but let's not pretend that it's anything else.

There are more effects from this way of wasting time than merely wasting time. If I may use myself as an example, I was pried loose from my YEC beliefs and libertarianism by the actions of NSG (Not something likely to happen considering the circles I used to run with), have refined my ability to argue through constant use of this site, have learned plenty of little tidbits of information, and have had a good number of interesting books and writers recommended to me through use of this site. You may say that the primary purpose of NSG is to waste time through pointless arguments, but it does have the occasional side-effect.

[Ostroeuropa]

Some. Governmentality is interesting, but for that you really need to go to Nikolas Rose's developments of it.

I'll look into them then.

NSG is a way of wasting time when you don't have anything else to do. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but let's not pretend that it's anything else.

There are more effects from this way of wasting time than merely wasting time. If I may use myself as an example, I was pried loose from my YEC beliefs and libertarianism by the actions of NSG (Not something likely to happen considering the circles I used to run with), have refined my ability to argue through constant use of this site, have learned plenty of little tidbits of information, and have had a good number of interesting books and writers recommended to me through use of this site. You may say that the primary purpose of NSG is to waste time through pointless arguments, but it does have the occasional side-effect.

Especially since you bought books as a result. At that point, you are into market forces and such. I've only bought books or something recommended in arts and fiction so far.

[Neo Art]

But, of course, you are here 'for the lulz', as some would say.

Of course I am. I'm baffled as to why anyone would be here otherwise

If you are so keen on staying on topic, perhaps you should refrain from making comments that are off-topic and then trying to avoid discussion of said comments?

My post, which drew such consternation and foot stamping, was essentially stating that before something that can be considered a movement (remember the topic of this thread? a "men's rights movement"? It's right at the top of the page if you forgot it) or the participants in that "movement" activists, their activities have to have extended beyond merely "talking" and into the realm of "doing".

And as such, while you might not have figured it out yet, discussing what precisely constitutes a "movement" and what precisely constitutes "activism" was, shocking, I know, relevant to the topic of this thread.

The discussion that a few people decided to take from that, which was what a special special place full of special special debates NSG is, has nothing to do with that. I'm sorry if that wasn't readily apparent.

[Ostroeuropa]

Point taken, that is on topic.
Does a movement really have to "do" things to be called a movement?
At what point do you define something as being "done"?
Is there no peace movement in the united states, or does walking around constitute "doing" things?
I suppose it obviously constitutes movement in the literal sense, but as for the one in which you mean...
What about posters? isn't that just a form of discussion?
Can you point me to a tangible case of something being "done" in terms of gender equality from either side of this issue that doesn't fall within the realm of discussion?
(I'm genuinely curious.)

[Nadkor]

Some. Governmentality is interesting, but for that you really need to go to Nikolas Rose's developments of it.

Discipline and Punish was a MASSIVE let down. It's just about some fucking prisons.

Clue was in the rest of the title...

[Conserative Morality]

Of course I am. I'm baffled as to why anyone would be here otherwise

Perhaps you should consider it in more detail as to why we're here and not 4chan.

My post, which drew such consternation and foot stamping, was essentially stating that before something that can be considered a movement (remember the topic of this thread? a "men's rights movement"? It's right at the top of the page if you forgot it) or the participants in that "movement" activists, their activities have to have extended beyond merely "talking" and into the realm of "doing".

And as such, while you might not have figured it out yet, discussing what precisely constitutes a "movement" and what precisely constitutes "activism" was, shocking, I know, relevant to the topic of this thread.

The discussion that a few people decided to take from that, which was what a special special place full of special special debates NSG is, has nothing to do with that. I'm sorry if that wasn't readily apparent.

If you'll read back through the discussion that started this, it becomes clear that the question asked was about your reason for being here in response to a claim that discussion on an internet forum was worthless. You responded that you were only here to have a bit of a mental circlejerk and disparaged any opposing views of one's participation in the forum. After continuing the argument about the forum, you suddenly decide that such a discussion is off-topic, and decide to try to leverage that to end the conversation, presumably because it has bored you. As other people wish to continue this conversation, let's say because it amuses us, to put our thinking on your train of thought, you object to us doing exactly what you claim the only reason you're here for.

[Nadkor]

Of course I am. I'm baffled as to why anyone would be here otherwise

Perhaps you should consider it in more detail as to why we're here and not 4chan.

Oh, that's quite clear.

Some people derive their lulz from arguing with people. Others derive it from photos of cats with captions on them, or whatever the fuck 4chan is about these days.

[Ostroeuropa]

Perhaps you should consider it in more detail as to why we're here and not 4chan.

Oh, that's quite clear.

Some people derive their lulz from arguing with people. Others derive it from photos of cats with captions on them, or whatever the fuck 4chan is about these days.

Ponies, porn, and pedophiles.

(Or rather, people pretending to be pedophiles for the lulz. but that would have ruined the alliteration.)

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, that's quite clear.

Some people derive their lulz from arguing with people. Others derive it from photos of cats with captions on them, or whatever the fuck 4chan is about these days.

I've visited 4chan several times, though not often (I stray away from /b/). There's plenty of arguing that goes on there on various topics, including the same ones that get argued about on here.

[Neo Art]

Discipline and Punish was a MASSIVE let down. It's just about some fucking prisons.

Clue was in the rest of the title...

Sorta like "Fifty Shades of Grey: Really, this book is crap and you should be ashamed of yourself to be seen reading it in public. No, seriously, it's awful, and if you get through the first chapter and still consider this interesting literature you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't even mean the fact that the characters are shown in a positive light while displaying severe psychological issues which are for some bizarre reason shown as virtues. I mean the fact that it's edited like a 12th grader wrote it."

Yup, it's really all about the other half.

[Ostroeuropa]

Clue was in the rest of the title...

Sorta like "Fifty Shades of Grey: Really, this book is crap and you should be ashamed of yourself to be seen reading it in public. No, seriously, it's awful, and if you get through the first chapter and still consider this interesting literature you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't even mean the fact that the characters are shown in a positive light while displaying severe psychological issues which are for some bizarre reason shown as virtues. I mean the fact that it's edited like a 12th grader wrote it."

Yup, it's really all about the other half.

If you read it thinking "What does this say about the author" it does get suddenly interesting for a little while. It's how to make almost anything someone says or writes interesting, if you are into analyzing people.

[Nadkor]

Oh, that's quite clear.

Some people derive their lulz from arguing with people. Others derive it from photos of cats with captions on them, or whatever the fuck 4chan is about these days.

I've visited 4chan several times, though not often (I stray away from /b/). There's plenty of arguing that goes on there on various topics, including the same ones that get argued about on here.

Okay? Then the people who enjoy doing it on 4chan can carry on doing it on 4chan, and the people who enjoy doing it here can carry on doing it here.

Not sure why you're struggling with this

[Conserative Morality]

Okay? Then the people who enjoy doing it on 4chan can carry on doing it on 4chan, and the people who enjoy doing it here can carry on doing it here.

Not sure why you're struggling with this

My question is, why do it here and not 4chan? "The people doing it there are doing it there and the people doing it here are doing it here" speaks nothing as to why each group is arguing in a different area.