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Postby Cameroi » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:28 pm

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Gotta admit that takes balls.

We don't really wear underwear under the dress....

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:54 am

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Only if one wears trousers. ;)

Well except women who wear dresses and people who are naked who else doesn't wear trousers?

Men who wear dresses...
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:30 am

Grenartia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Yes, NS has shown me just how disturbing Liberal thought is, and has solidified my hatred of Modern Liberalism. I've also met a good amount of fellow Quasi-Fascists, Third Position Socialists, Fascists here with whom I discuss my ideology with in detail.


Yes, please, do go on about how disturbing freedom and equality is... :roll:


Freedom from what? Equality for whom? Liberalism has produced nothing of value, it has contributed nothing to the progress of humanity's welfare, it is worthless.
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Postby Esternial » Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:59 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Yes, please, do go on about how disturbing freedom and equality is... :roll:


Freedom from what? Equality for whom? Liberalism has produced nothing of value, it has contributed nothing to the progress of humanity's welfare, it is worthless.

Women being able to vote really is nothing, I concur.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:06 am

Esternial wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Freedom from what? Equality for whom? Liberalism has produced nothing of value, it has contributed nothing to the progress of humanity's welfare, it is worthless.

Women being able to vote really is nothing, I concur.


Liberalism, not progressivism. They're not the samething.
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Postby Esternial » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:14 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Esternial wrote:Women being able to vote really is nothing, I concur.


Liberalism, not progressivism. They're not the samething.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot we're talking solely about America again. I thought you were talking about humanity. Yeah, then Liberals have really done nothing of value.

Then again, The Unitred Stated of 'Merica is the only country worth taking notice of.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:25 am

Esternial wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Liberalism, not progressivism. They're not the samething.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot we're talking solely about America again. I thought you were talking about humanity. Yeah, then Liberals have really done nothing of value.

Then again, The Unitred Stated of 'Merica is the only country worth taking notice of.


Our liberals are Liberalism Lite, the Liberalism elsewhere is even worse.
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Postby Esternial » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:28 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Esternial wrote:Oh I'm sorry, I forgot we're talking solely about America again. I thought you were talking about humanity. Yeah, then Liberals have really done nothing of value.

Then again, The Unitred Stated of 'Merica is the only country worth taking notice of.


Our liberals are Liberalism Lite, the Liberalism elsewhere is even worse.

So what about Roosevelt?

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:30 am

Esternial wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Our liberals are Liberalism Lite, the Liberalism elsewhere is even worse.

So what about Roosevelt?


Progressive, not Liberal.
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Postby Esternial » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:34 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Esternial wrote:So what about Roosevelt?


Progressive, not Liberal.

Depends on your definition of Liberal.

I guess with yours it doesn't exist, which explains why it didn't contribute anything in your book.

Also, LBJ
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:39 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Yes, please, do go on about how disturbing freedom and equality is... :roll:


Freedom from what? Equality for whom? Liberalism has produced nothing of value, it has contributed nothing to the progress of humanity's welfare, it is worthless.


Freedom from oppression, equality for all. How is that worthless?

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Esternial wrote:So what about Roosevelt?


Progressive, not Liberal.


What's the difference?
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:49 am

Grenartia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Freedom from what? Equality for whom? Liberalism has produced nothing of value, it has contributed nothing to the progress of humanity's welfare, it is worthless.


Freedom from oppression, equality for all. How is that worthless?

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Progressive, not Liberal.


What's the difference?


Freedom from responsiblity, equality without merit. How is that not worthless?

Liberalism is only about change for the sake of change, without thinking twice about whether there is anything that needs to be changed about something, or whether said changes will actually benefit society.

Progressivism emplements change as needed, only when and where needed. It is the exact center between liberalism's drive for needless change and conservatism's drive to retain obsolete practices.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:54 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Freedom from oppression, equality for all. How is that worthless?



What's the difference?


Freedom from responsiblity, equality without merit. How is that not worthless?

Liberalism is only about change for the sake of change, without thinking twice about whether there is anything that needs to be changed about something, or whether said changes will actually benefit society.

Progressivism emplements change as needed, only when and where needed. It is the exact center between liberalism's drive for needless change and conservatism's drive to retain obsolete practices.


When did I mention freedom from responsibility or equality without merit (though why somebody needs to have accomplished something to be considered equal to everybody else is beyond me)?
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Postby Homosexy » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:30 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Liberalism is only about change for the sake of change, without thinking twice about whether there is anything that needs to be changed about something, or whether said changes will actually benefit society.

Progressivism emplements change as needed, only when and where needed. It is the exact center between liberalism's drive for needless change and conservatism's drive to retain obsolete practices.

Needless change? Just because it's not in your face, bothering you all the time, doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be changed. Your life might be just peachy, but change is possible and necessary for a lot of people in this country and in this world who have it a lot worse than you.
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Postby Esternial » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:35 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Freedom from oppression, equality for all. How is that worthless?



What's the difference?


Freedom from responsiblity, equality without merit. How is that not worthless?

Liberalism is only about change for the sake of change, without thinking twice about whether there is anything that needs to be changed about something, or whether said changes will actually benefit society.

Progressivism emplements change as needed, only when and where needed. It is the exact center between liberalism's drive for needless change and conservatism's drive to retain obsolete practices.

This explains a lot.

You just don't know what Liberalism really is.

Don't worry, I forgive you.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:41 am

Esternial wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Freedom from responsiblity, equality without merit. How is that not worthless?

Liberalism is only about change for the sake of change, without thinking twice about whether there is anything that needs to be changed about something, or whether said changes will actually benefit society.

Progressivism emplements change as needed, only when and where needed. It is the exact center between liberalism's drive for needless change and conservatism's drive to retain obsolete practices.

This explains a lot.

You just don't know what Liberalism really is.

Don't worry, I forgive you.

Sure he does... Liberalism is everything he disagrees with... Rather like communism for McCarthyists...
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:03 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Esternial wrote:This explains a lot.

You just don't know what Liberalism really is.

Don't worry, I forgive you.

Sure he does... Liberalism is everything he disagrees with... Rather like communism for McCarthyists...


Ha, ha very funny. I don't blame liberals for everything, there's conservatives, fascists, libertarians. Liberalism isn't the only ideology I disagree with.
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