FBI documents reveal plans to assassinate OWS activists

by **Quebec and Atlantic Canada** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:03 am

Genivaria wrote:
Ralkovia wrote:This is a joke
It would have cleaned the streets of rabble.

Bloody peasants should know their place amirite?

Again, the right-wing only cares about Freedom and Democracy ^TM when foreign dictatorships are involved. It's totally OK for the government to slaughter left-leaning Americans by the thousands.

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:21 am

Hippostania wrote:Sounds good to me, it's good to know that there were indeed plans to assassinate these domestic terrorists. Terrorists don't deserve a trial

No, they don't. They should have been dispatched a long time ago.

by **Of the Free Socialist Territories** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:26 am

Hippostania wrote:Sounds good to me, it's good to know that there were indeed plans to assasinate these domestic terrorists. Terrorists don't deserve a trial

How can you even pretend to be anything other than an unreconstructed Pinochet-style crypto-fascist when you support murdering peaceful protesters?

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:31 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Sounds good to me, it's good to know that there were indeed plans to assasinate these domestic terrorists. Terrorists don't deserve a trial

How can you even pretend to be anything other than an unreconstructed Pinochet-style crypto-fascist when you support murdering peaceful protesters?

They're not peaceful, and they're not protesters.

by **Risottia** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:31 am

US law enforcement contains a LOT of criminals, news at eleven.

Warinemachine wrote:he goverment would just be taking out a terrorist who plans to occupy wall street

Now kindly explain how occupying a building is terrorism. With reference to criminal law and sentences.
We'll wait.

by **Risottia** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:33 am

Hippostania wrote:Sounds good to me, it's good to know that there were indeed plans to assasinate these domestic terrorists. Terrorists don't deserve a trial

Prove they're terrorists. Oh wait. You need a trial for that.

If you think there's no need for a trial, you're clearly a terrorist trying to subvert the fundaments of our society. Watch for snipers.

by **Of the Free Socialist Territories** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:33 am

Abatael wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
How can you even pretend to be anything other than an unreconstructed Pinochet-style crypto-fascist when you support murdering peaceful protesters?

They're not peaceful,

Source. You might also like to note the considerably more widespread police brutality.

and they're not protesters.

How the hell did you draw that conclusion?

by **Arkinesia** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:33 am

SaintB wrote:Sounds a bit conspiracy thoery to me. Perhaps the documents actually refer to discovering a plot by a group of private citizens or another government altogether

Yeah there's a lot of missing context in these document excerpts.

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:40 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Abatael wrote:
They're not peaceful,

Source. You might also like to note the considerably more widespread police brutality.

and they're not protesters.

How the hell did you draw that conclusion?

They deserve police brutality.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sters.html
http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/ ... reet-march
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/vio ... 38122.html
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/ ... ll-street/
http://davidscameracraft.blogspot.com/2 ... lence.html

Real fucking peaceful those "protests" are.

And they're not protesting, because most of them, if not all, are a bunch of aimless, drunken or high scofflaws, rapists, burglars and malefactors.

by **Suidwes-Afrika** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:41 am

And this is news in America because...?

by **Arkinesia** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:41 am

Abatael wrote:They deserve police brutality.

I vehemently disagree. Nobody, regardless of how wrong they have been or what terrible acts they have perpetrated, “deserves” police brutality.

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:42 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Abatael wrote:They deserve police brutality.

I vehemently disagree. Nobody, regardless of how wrong they have been or what terrible acts they have perpetrated, “deserves” police brutality.

When you are devoid of purpose, just as much as your are devoid of intelligence, and when you go out and break the law, you do.

by **Of the Free Socialist Territories** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:50 am

Abatael wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Source. You might also like to note the considerably more widespread police brutality.

How the hell did you draw that conclusion?

They deserve police brutality.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sters.html

From that source:

That'll be...violent police response!

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/148372/violence-follows-occupy-wall-street-march

"Some protesters said they were beaten and even pepper sprayed by police.

"I don't know what sparked it, but people started tossed about, and I did see people getting beaten with clubs, and I personally was pepper sprayed," said Flux Rostrum, a videographer for Mobile Broadcast News."

"On Saturday, more than 700 protesters were arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge roadway, after NYPD officers claimed the demonstrators were illegally blocking traffic.

Many protesters countered with the claim that they were misled onto the roadway by officers.

On September 24, about a week after the start of the protest, video was released online that showed NYPD officers using pepper spray on protesters near Union Square who had marched from Zuccotti Park.

Police officials claim those marchers were blocking traffic and did not have a permit to march."

Oh, and your source mentions one protester being arrested for alleged assault.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/violence-mars-occupy-wall-street-protests-vermont-elsewhere-163738122.html

Which mentions a suicide and someone being kicked in the ankle.

As opposed to the police, who, "In the disturbing video below, used batons to beat protesters who refused to leave the encampment."

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/violence-breaks-out-during-occupy-wall-street-march-on-wall-street/

"Police said arrests — of which there were more than a dozen — were mainly for blocking traffic."

"Among the most notable incidents on Friday happened when one man lost his balance, and was run over by a police scooter. The man could be seen screaming on the ground after the tire of the scooter apparently rolled over on his foot.

“He was just walking and the cop ran him over,” one witness said.

It’s unclear how the man came to be on the ground in the first place or how his leg ended up under the bike. Police descended on the protester and got him out from under the bike. Some witnesses told Sandberg the man was beaten during the arrest."

Remind me again of the mass violence of the demonstrators.

http://davidscameracraft.blogspot.com/2011/09/occupy-wall-street-march-violence.html

That source talks entirely about police brutality. "The peaceful Occupy Wall Street protest march turned violent as the NYPD corralled and pepper sprayed the participants."

Real fucking peaceful those "protests" are.

What you've just done is link me to 5 separate sources which highlight the brutality and violence of the police during OWS. In all my time on NSG, I've never seen someone use sources to so comprehensively defeat their own point.

And they're not protesting, because most of them, if not all, are a bunch of aimless, drunken or high scofflaws, rapists, burglars and malefactors.

They're not protesting because you disagree with them?

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:57 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Abatael wrote:
They deserve police brutality.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sters.html

From that source:

That'll be...violent police response!

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/148372/violence-follows-occupy-wall-street-march

"Some protesters said they were beaten and even pepper sprayed by police.

"I don't know what sparked it, but people started tossed about, and I did see people getting beaten with clubs, and I personally was pepper sprayed," said Flux Rostrum, a videographer for Mobile Broadcast News."

"On Saturday, more than 700 protesters were arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge roadway, after NYPD officers claimed the demonstrators were illegally blocking traffic.

Many protesters countered with the claim that they were misled onto the roadway by officers.

On September 24, about a week after the start of the protest, video was released online that showed NYPD officers using pepper spray on protesters near Union Square who had marched from Zuccotti Park.

Police officials claim those marchers were blocking traffic and did not have a permit to march."

Oh, and your source mentions one protester being arrested for alleged assault.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/violence-mars-occupy-wall-street-protests-vermont-elsewhere-163738122.html

Which mentions a suicide and someone being kicked in the ankle.

As opposed to the police, who, "In the disturbing video below, used batons to beat protesters who refused to leave the encampment."

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/14/violence-breaks-out-during-occupy-wall-street-march-on-wall-street/

"Police said arrests — of which there were more than a dozen — were mainly for blocking traffic."

"Among the most notable incidents on Friday happened when one man lost his balance, and was run over by a police scooter. The man could be seen screaming on the ground after the tire of the scooter apparently rolled over on his foot.

“He was just walking and the cop ran him over,” one witness said.

It’s unclear how the man came to be on the ground in the first place or how his leg ended up under the bike. Police descended on the protester and got him out from under the bike. Some witnesses told Sandberg the man was beaten during the arrest."

Remind me again of the mass violence of the demonstrators.

http://davidscameracraft.blogspot.com/2011/09/occupy-wall-street-march-violence.html

That source talks entirely about police brutality. "The peaceful Occupy Wall Street protest march turned violent as the NYPD corralled and pepper sprayed the participants."

Real fucking peaceful those "protests" are.

What you've just done is link me to 5 separate sources which highlight the brutality and violence of the police during OWS. In all my time on NSG, I've never seen someone use sources to so comprehensively defeat their own point.

If you really do not understand this, then we shouldn't be talking.
Police respond with force, when malefactors become unruly.
I know, what a surprise, right?

And they're not protesting, because most of them, if not all, are a bunch of aimless, drunken or high scofflaws, rapists, burglars and malefactors.

They're not protesting because you disagree with them?

No... I literally just told you why...

by **Of the Free Socialist Territories** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:01 am

Abatael wrote:
If you really do not understand this, then we shouldn't be talking.
Police respond with force, when malefactors become unruly.
I know, what a surprise, right?

Then why not demonstrate this with sources that prove your own point, and not mine? Your sources don't mention violence on the part of the people at OWS at all.

They're not protesting because you disagree with them?

No... I literally just told you why...

Because you disagree with them. You haven't, after all, actually proved that "most, if not all" are aimless, drunken, high, rapists, burglars or malefactors, and I'd like you to do so, because at the minute all you've provided is ridiculous and baseless BS which you've tried, and failed, to grant a smidgen of legitimacy to by linking sources which show the police to be at fault.

So until you actually prove your point I'm left with the view that you don't consider them protesters because you disagree with them.

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:12 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Abatael wrote:
If you really do not understand this, then we shouldn't be talking.
Police respond with force, when malefactors become unruly.
I know, what a surprise, right?

Then why not demonstrate this with sources that prove your own point, and not mine? Your sources don't mention violence on the part of the people at OWS at all.

No... I literally just told you why...

Because you disagree with them. You haven't, after all, actually proved that "most, if not all" are aimless, drunken, high, rapists, burglars or malefactors, and I'd like you to do so, because at the minute all you've provided is ridiculous and baseless BS which you've tried, and failed, to grant a smidgen of legitimacy to by linking sources which show the police to be at fault.

So until you actually prove your point I'm left with the view that you don't consider them protesters because you disagree with them.

You have seen the pictures. If you continue to deny it, then I cannot say what you are, without being warned.

Yes, them being aimless idiots is me disagreeing with them. :roll:

http://www.habledash.com/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=59
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/11/01/deaf ... to-police/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assault ... OG4F3fVrmk
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/10/23/tota ... ests-2222/
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/25/healt ... index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wal ... ge_arrests - "[the] protesters were given multiple warnings to stay on the sidewalk and not block the street, and were arrested when they refused."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/01/50 ... latestnews

Yeah, they're definitely not criminals or malefactors, and all the rapes and violence and crimes are the fault of the police, especially because a Communist on the Internet said so. :palm:

by **Of the Free Socialist Territories** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:24 am

Abatael wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Then why not demonstrate this with sources that prove your own point, and not mine? Your sources don't mention violence on the part of the people at OWS at all.

Because you disagree with them. You haven't, after all, actually proved that "most, if not all" are aimless, drunken, high, rapists, burglars or malefactors, and I'd like you to do so, because at the minute all you've provided is ridiculous and baseless BS which you've tried, and failed, to grant a smidgen of legitimacy to by linking sources which show the police to be at fault.

So until you actually prove your point I'm left with the view that you don't consider them protesters because you disagree with them.

You have seen the pictures. If you continue to deny it, then I cannot say what you are, without being warned.

Yes, them being aimless idiots is me disagreeing with them.

http://www.habledash.com/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=59

It's a satire page. The article's writer is called Justin Credible, for God's sake.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/11/01/deaf-man-raped-at-occupy-wall-street-protesters-dont-report-it-to-police/

Fanatical right-wing conspiracy site.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaults-occupy-wall-street-camps/story?id=14873014#.UOG4F3fVrmk

Occasional rapes and gropes thoroughly condemned by group leaders.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/10/23/total-number-of-arrests-at-occupy-wall-street-protests-2222/

No mention of what the arrests are for...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/25/health/wall-street-protests/index.html

More descriptions of police brutality and protesters being arrested for "disorderly conduct".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#Brooklyn_Bridge_arrests - "[the] protesters were given multiple warnings to stay on the sidewalk and not block the street, and were arrested when they refused."

They didn't stay on the sidewalk?! Obviously that collection of commie filth shouldn't even be allowed to live. Terrorists, clearly, for blocking a road.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/01/500-arrested-after-wall-street-protest-on-nys-brooklyn-bridge/?test=latestnews

Even Fox is accusing them, at worst, of obstructing traffic.

Yeah, they're definitely not criminals or malefactors, and all the rapes and violence and crimes are the fault of the police,

At what point did I blame the police for the rapes? :blink:

especially because a Communist on the Internet said so.

And an ad hominem, just to round off everything else. Well done.

Let's go back to your original, bullshit claim.

Abatael wrote:Most of them, if not all, are a bunch of aimless, drunken or high scofflaws, rapists, burglars and malefactors.

You have utterly, utterly failed to show that the majority, let alone all, meet the charges you've laid at their door.

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:50 am

I have given you the links and the proof, yet you continue to deny that they're criminals, and you said it's the police's fault.
You refused to address the most critical of the "movement," calling it satire, even though it gives over 90 different sources. Your argument has failed, when you are literally ignoring the evidence and dismissing it as "satire," or calling them "fanatical right-wing" sites.

We are done here as you are failing in this.

Here is everything, if you still feel the same after this, then you're blind:

Yep, these are the friendly, non-criminal, completely legal Occupy Wall Street "protesters" we all know and love. (There's more if you want it.)

by **Of the Free Socialist Territories** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:59 am

Abatael wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
It's a satire page. The article's writer is called Justin Credible, for God's sake.

Fanatical right-wing conspiracy site.

Occasional rapes and gropes thoroughly condemned by group leaders.

No mention of what the arrests are for...

More descriptions of police brutality and protesters being arrested for "disorderly conduct".

They didn't stay on the sidewalk?! Obviously that collection of commie filth shouldn't even be allowed to live. Terrorists, clearly, for blocking a road.

Even Fox is accusing them, at worst, of obstructing traffic.

Let's go back to your original, bullshit claim.

You have utterly, utterly failed to show that the majority, let alone all, meet the charges you've laid at their door.

I have given you the links and the proof, yet you continue to deny that they're criminals, and you said it's the police's fault.
You refused to address the most critical of the "movement," calling it satire, even though it gives over 90 different sources. Your argument has failed, when you are literally ignoring the evidence and dismissing it as "satire," or calling them "fanatical right-wing" sites.

You honestly don't believe that an article written by someone called Justin Credible isn't satire?

We are done here as you are failing in this.

Here is everything, if you still feel the same after this, then you're blind:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/police-arresting-protesters-on-brooklyn-bridge/
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/28/f ... oot-a-cop/
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... rGPCaZaLRK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... E-CAR.html
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/209671.php - I really like this one; it totally discredits your bullshit claims, "Police Brutality!!!1!1!1!"
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/1 ... was-raped/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-tap.html
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/132064518.html
http://247wallst.com/2011/10/12/irans-a ... ll-street/
http://patdollard.com/2011/10/occupypor ... -war-dead/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10 ... organizer/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/america ... banksters/
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/209706.php
http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-s ... businesses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxF ... e=youtu.be
http://feedyouradhd.blogspot.com/2011/1 ... -goon.html
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehicks/ ... d_for_rape
http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/10 ... 00x300.jpg - Guy is trying to steal the officer's gun.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10 ... terrorism/
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accu ... py-dallas/
http://video.foxnews.com/v/122585622200 ... cleveland/
http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=83488
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... hBRv9IbaiK
http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/276301-woma ... test-camp/
http://bostonherald.com//news_opinion/l ... upy_boston
http://www.katu.com/news/local/131955313.html
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19124616
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/oct/2 ... th-park-c/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10 ... ia-silent/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10 ... ice-video/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... SnYbitzrg4
http://www.nbcmontana.com/Drunk-11-Year ... index.html
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10 ... gs-nudity/
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archiv ... py-seattle

Yep, these are the friendly, non-criminal, completely legal Occupy Wall Street "protesters" we all know and love. (There's more if you want it.)

I would like you to prove, as I've been asking you to prove for several posts now, that

Abatael wrote:"Most of them, if not all, are a bunch of aimless, drunken or high scofflaws, rapists, burglars and malefactors.

What you've failed to demonstrate is that the majority of protesters are dug-addicted drunks, rapists and burglars. That's what I want you to prove. Some criminals crop up in every protest movement. It's the way of the world. But source, please, that the majority of people at OWS were drunks, rapists and burglars.

by **Fnordgasm 5** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:14 am

I'm sure since the Church Committee's report into the COINTELPRO operations the FBI wouldn't even think about such actions.

by **Norstal** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:22 am

Risottia wrote:US law enforcement contains a LOT of criminals, news at eleven.

People don't read the OP's article proving the OP is wrong. News at 10.

by **Wisconsin9** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:54 am

Hippostania wrote:Sounds good to me, it's good to know that there were indeed plans to assasinate these domestic terrorists. Terrorists don't deserve a trial

Hippostania wrote:
Tubbsalot wrote:So just to be totally clear here, you're saying you hope OWS protesters are murdered.

I don't need a response, I'm just reiterating your statement in case anyone still awarded you any credibility.

I'm not saying they should be murdered, they should just be punished. They're traitors and pawns of foreign powers attempting to discredit America, and hey, nobody forced them to join the OWS.

*cough cough cough*

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:56 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Sounds good to me, it's good to know that there were indeed plans to assasinate these domestic terrorists. Terrorists don't deserve a trial

Hippostania wrote:I'm not saying they should be murdered, they should just be punished. They're traitors and pawns of foreign powers attempting to discredit America, and hey, nobody forced them to join the OWS.

*cough cough cough*

I don't believe in the First Amendment.

by **Wisconsin9** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:58 am

Abatael wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:
*cough cough cough*

I don't believe in the First Amendment.

Good for you.

by **Abatael** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:59 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I don't believe in the First Amendment.

Good for you.

I was joking...

FBI documents reveal plans to assassinate OWS activists

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