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[POLL] What is your political ideology?

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What is your political ideology?

Anarcho-Capitalist
48
6%
Fascist
57
7%
Neo-Conservative
25
3%
Conservative
112
13%
Classical Liberal
74
9%
Modern Liberal
73
9%
Social Democrat
107
13%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Socialist
62
7%
Other (specify below)
144
17%
 
Total votes : 841

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Gorgashia
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Postby Gorgashia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:01 am

Cvtopia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:My political Theory is Marxism-Leninism
My practice is Stalinism...

Stalinism... AKA intentional genocides, and the systematic state murder of those who disagree with you...


Pretty much.
Stalinism is to Socialism what Nazism is to Fascism.
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Moving Forward Inc
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:02 am

Trotskylvania wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:'Ought' is subjective.

All the more reason you can't turn 'is' statements into 'ought' statements. And thus, why might doesn't make right.

Which is what you are doing by implying that 'right' means 'ought'.
I would prefer words such as correct, valid, and legitimate.
Trotskylvania wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Also, I would like to know the ideology of egoism conflicts with making complaints.
Sometimes complaining is in your self-interest.

Here's where I put on my egoist hat.

And here's the egoist response.
Image

So why would the egoist ever complain? No one has any reason to give a shit.

Because humans today will inevitably put on the image of giving a shit and therefore it would benefot the egoist.
This test is biased and has stupid questions, but anyways:
Old (from when my nation was founded):
Economic Right: 6.50
Social Libertarian:-3.67
New (11 December 2012):
Economic Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian: -5.23
Be aware that I am only so near to the centre of the economic axe because this test associates being right-wing with crony capitalism, trickle down, and letting business be held to lower standards than individuals under law.

"Democracy is the road to socialism"
- Karl Marx

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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:03 am

Gorgashia wrote:
Cvtopia wrote:Stalinism... AKA intentional genocides, and the systematic state murder of those who disagree with you...


Pretty much.
Stalinism is to Socialism what Nazism is to Fascism.

What?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
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Moving Forward Inc
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:03 am

Gorgashia wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:It is also right that when the cops come round the corner, I take out the middle finger, and say that "I smell yummy bacon".
After all, I have the ability and I would not do it unless I had the desire.


So, hypothetically, let's say your gesture and comment annoys the cops and they want to beat you up for the fun of it.
Should they do it?
They have the ability (batons) and they have the desire (you annoying them).

Their choice.
This test is biased and has stupid questions, but anyways:
Old (from when my nation was founded):
Economic Right: 6.50
Social Libertarian:-3.67
New (11 December 2012):
Economic Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian: -5.23
Be aware that I am only so near to the centre of the economic axe because this test associates being right-wing with crony capitalism, trickle down, and letting business be held to lower standards than individuals under law.

"Democracy is the road to socialism"
- Karl Marx

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Moving Forward Inc
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:04 am

Cvtopia wrote:
Gorgashia wrote:
So, hypothetically, let's say your gesture and comment annoys the cops and they want to beat you up for the fun of it.
Should they do it?
They have the ability (batons) and they have the desire (you annoying them).

My opinion:
FUCK THE POLICE!

Are they female and sexually attractive?
Then yes.
This test is biased and has stupid questions, but anyways:
Old (from when my nation was founded):
Economic Right: 6.50
Social Libertarian:-3.67
New (11 December 2012):
Economic Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian: -5.23
Be aware that I am only so near to the centre of the economic axe because this test associates being right-wing with crony capitalism, trickle down, and letting business be held to lower standards than individuals under law.

"Democracy is the road to socialism"
- Karl Marx

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Gorgashia
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Postby Gorgashia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:04 am

CTALNH wrote:
Gorgashia wrote:
Pretty much.
Stalinism is to Socialism what Nazism is to Fascism.

What?


Stalinism is a form of Socialism that most Socialists resent.
Nazism is a form of Fascism that most Fascists resent.
See the connection?
Syndicalist Celts. Bluntly put.

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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:05 am

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Gorgashia wrote:
So, hypothetically, let's say your gesture and comment annoys the cops and they want to beat you up for the fun of it.
Should they do it?
They have the ability (batons) and they have the desire (you annoying them).

Their choice.

In "context to what your saying" I would beat you up....Then leave you on the side of the road to probably die...
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
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T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Cvtopia
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Postby Cvtopia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:05 am

Gorgashia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:What?


Stalinism is a form of Socialism that most Socialists resent.
Nazism is a form of Fascism that most Fascists resent.
See the connection?

Wait... There are fascists who reject Nazism? That's news to me.

Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92 -5.62
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Likes: Right-libertarianism, minarchism, anarcho-capitalism, liberalism (European), Internet piracy, freedom of speech, Non-Aggression Principle, Irish/Scottish/Welsh independence, secessionist movements in general, Switzerland, New Zealand
Dislikes: Socialism, communism, monarchism, authoritarianism, monarchism, restrictions on speech, copyright, China, Russia, USA, UK

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Maldorainia
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Postby Maldorainia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:05 am

Fusionist, which is libertarian conservative
Laissez-faire free trade capitalism and Fusionism (Libertarian conservatism)

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05
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Trotskylvania
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:06 am

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Which is what you are doing by implying that 'right' means 'ought'.
I would prefer words such as correct, valid, and legitimate.

Those two words are interrelated, so the implication is totally valid.

And it doesn't matter what linguistic hanky panky you're trying here, you're still trying to arrive at the conclusion that the ability to do something confers a normative right to do something. You can dress it up with terms like "valid", "correct" or "legitimate", but it will not disguise what you're doing.
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Because humans today will inevitably put on the image of giving a shit and therefore it would benefot the egoist.

And yet at the end of the day no one actually cares, so why bother with putting on appearances unless you think everyone else is somehow stupider than you and won't see through it and isn't also trying to get one up on you.
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Torcularis Septentrionalis
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:06 am

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Cvtopia wrote:My opinion:
FUCK THE POLICE!

Are they female and sexually attractive?
Then yes.

How much sexism and unadulterated, vile bullshit is going to spew from your account today?
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:06 am

Gorgashia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:What?


Stalinism is a form of Socialism that most Socialists resent.
Nazism is a form of Fascism that most Fascists resent.
See the connection?

You do Nazism has nothing to do with fascism right?

While Stalinism just takes socialism to the extreme....
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
S.W.I.F: Sex Worker Inclusionary Feminist.
T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Gorgashia
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Postby Gorgashia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:08 am

Cvtopia wrote:
Gorgashia wrote:
Stalinism is a form of Socialism that most Socialists resent.
Nazism is a form of Fascism that most Fascists resent.
See the connection?

Wait... There are fascists who reject Nazism? That's news to me.


Well, I'm focusing mostly on Hitlerist Nazism. Nazism in general is lukewarm to most Fascists. (well, it was lukewarm to me when I was a Fascist).
Syndicalist Celts. Bluntly put.

"Dude...nice firearms rights and everything...but your society is seriously messed up. :P" - Orellana.

Just your typical Canadian on the internet. TG if me you want to have a chat/debate/whatever.

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<Emerita> Shit is indeed, unlivable.
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Varijnland
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Postby Varijnland » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:08 am

Cvtopia wrote:
Gorgashia wrote:
Stalinism is a form of Socialism that most Socialists resent.
Nazism is a form of Fascism that most Fascists resent.
See the connection?

Wait... There are fascists who reject Nazism? That's news to me.

That's because you are an ignorant fool.

Retiring from NS, I wish you all the best in your future endevours :)

- Rasmus


P.S stay off drugs

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Moving Forward Inc
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:09 am

CTALNH wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Their choice.

In "context to what your saying" I would beat you up....Then leave you on the side of the road to probably die...

Good for you, a socialist acting in his own self-interest...

And they say that capitalists are greedy and selfish.
This test is biased and has stupid questions, but anyways:
Old (from when my nation was founded):
Economic Right: 6.50
Social Libertarian:-3.67
New (11 December 2012):
Economic Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian: -5.23
Be aware that I am only so near to the centre of the economic axe because this test associates being right-wing with crony capitalism, trickle down, and letting business be held to lower standards than individuals under law.

"Democracy is the road to socialism"
- Karl Marx

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Qasaqi
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Postby Qasaqi » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:09 am

Varijnland wrote:
Cvtopia wrote:Wait... There are fascists who reject Nazism? That's news to me.

That's because you are an ignorant fool.



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Moving Forward Inc
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:10 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Are they female and sexually attractive?
Then yes.

How much sexism and unadulterated, vile bullshit is going to spew from your account today?

Where did I say that women are worth less than men?
Also, if you are going to keep repeating "What you're saying is bullshit" could you prove it?
This test is biased and has stupid questions, but anyways:
Old (from when my nation was founded):
Economic Right: 6.50
Social Libertarian:-3.67
New (11 December 2012):
Economic Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian: -5.23
Be aware that I am only so near to the centre of the economic axe because this test associates being right-wing with crony capitalism, trickle down, and letting business be held to lower standards than individuals under law.

"Democracy is the road to socialism"
- Karl Marx

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Gorgashia
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Postby Gorgashia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:11 am

CTALNH wrote:
Gorgashia wrote:
Stalinism is a form of Socialism that most Socialists resent.
Nazism is a form of Fascism that most Fascists resent.
See the connection?

You do Nazism has nothing to do with fascism right?

While Stalinism just takes socialism to the extreme....


Uh, Nazism advocates militarism, imperialism, ultra-nationalism and a lot of other Fascist tenets. It just adds an (un)healthy dose of ethnic nationalism to the mix of Fascism.

And most Socialists reject Stalinism because it is too extreme for them.
Syndicalist Celts. Bluntly put.

"Dude...nice firearms rights and everything...but your society is seriously messed up. :P" - Orellana.

Just your typical Canadian on the internet. TG if me you want to have a chat/debate/whatever.

"<Emerita> When Entropy goes "naw bro, unlivable"
<Emerita> Shit is indeed, unlivable.
"

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<Daemyrs> Nothing makes sense there
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Varijnland
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Postby Varijnland » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:12 am

Qasaqi wrote:
Varijnland wrote:That's because you are an ignorant fool.



ooooooooooooh burn

Sssssssssssssss ouch

Retiring from NS, I wish you all the best in your future endevours :)

- Rasmus


P.S stay off drugs

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Torcularis Septentrionalis
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:12 am

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:How much sexism and unadulterated, vile bullshit is going to spew from your account today?

Where did I say that women are worth less than men?
Also, if you are going to keep repeating "What you're saying is bullshit" could you prove it?

*promotion of rape against women
*Promotion of protection for rapists
*promotion of the view that female police officers are sexual objects.
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:13 am

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
CTALNH wrote:In "context to what your saying" I would beat you up....Then leave you on the side of the road to probably die...

Good for you, a socialist acting in his own self-interest...

And they say that capitalists are greedy and selfish.

Not really that what would happen if you faced a Greek riot squad....
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
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T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Postby Barbary Bay » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:14 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Where did I say that women are worth less than men?
Also, if you are going to keep repeating "What you're saying is bullshit" could you prove it?

*promotion of rape against women
*Promotion of protection for rapists
*promotion of the view that female police officers are sexual objects.
Please, he may be spewing bullshit but you're just looking to kick up a fuss. How about we go back to discussing ideologies?
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Cvtopia
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Postby Cvtopia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:15 am

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Cvtopia wrote:My opinion:
FUCK THE POLICE!

Are they female and sexually attractive?
Then yes.

You clearly misunderstood what I meant by "fuck the police". In hoping that this is a joke in bad taste and not what you actually believe.

Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92 -5.62
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/191732/

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Varijnland
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Postby Varijnland » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:15 am

I supose I should mention that I was being sarcastic. Still, fascism isn't nazism though.

Retiring from NS, I wish you all the best in your future endevours :)

- Rasmus


P.S stay off drugs

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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:15 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Where did I say that women are worth less than men?
Also, if you are going to keep repeating "What you're saying is bullshit" could you prove it?

*promotion of rape against women
*Promotion of protection for rapists
*promotion of the view that female police officers are sexual objects.

Are you actually trying to demean your opponent by twisting his words?

What are you a 12 year old?
Last edited by CTALNH on Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:16 am, edited 1 time in total.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
S.W.I.F: Sex Worker Inclusionary Feminist.
T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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