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Cvtopia wrote:

Gorgashia wrote:
Violent criminals, political extremists, religious extremists, etc.

I'm an optimist, but there are a LOT of batshit insane people in the world.



Mmm, hmm. So, all those government-funded departments like law-enforcement and national defense have NEVER defended the just from the unjust?

Violent criminals: when seconds matter, the police are minutes away.
Political & religious extremists: the right to free speech and expression is universal. No matter how batshit crazy or stupid you are.

Which is why the coercive apparatus of the government works on rehabilitating criminals, and failing that, incarcerating them once they are proven to be a danger to others so that they cannot harm others.

Trotskylvania wrote:

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Antisocial elements?
Those who choose to disagree with society I am guessing?

Government is the weapon of the majority, and the sworn enemy of the minority.
It has never defended anyone from the unjustified.

Yes, I'm sure that rapist who was apprehended, tried and convicted by the government really was justified in raping someone.

Do you even read the shit you type, or do you just vomit it up without thinking?

Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

Cvtopia wrote:

Gorgashia wrote:
Violent criminals, political extremists, religious extremists, etc.

I'm an optimist, but there are a LOT of batshit insane people in the world.



Mmm, hmm. So, all those government-funded departments like law-enforcement and national defense have NEVER defended the just from the unjust?

Violent criminals: when seconds matter, the police are minutes away.
Political & religious extremists: the right to free speech and expression is universal. No matter how batshit crazy or stupid you are.

Police officers around the world save peoples lives every day. If you want single-digit response times, you'd better be willing to accept constant surveillance and overbearing government presence. No? Then don't be such an idealist. What you said was silly.

Cvtopia wrote:

Gorgashia wrote:
Police still provide a good deterrence.

Should I even count all the men that used WORDS to incite violence? There have been a lot and a lot of them have been disturbingly successful.

Incitement of violence is not the same as violence. Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how psychotic or abhorrent the opinion being expressed.

So, all those orators that riled up the masses to commit acts of violence shouldn't be held responsible?

Moving Forward Inc wrote:

Trotskylvania wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that rapist who was apprehended, tried and convicted by the government really was justified in raping someone.

Do you even read the shit you type, or do you just vomit it up without thinking?

Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

If might made right, we wouldn't have two separate words for it.

But that's back in the real world, where we've all accepted basic philosophical truisms like might doesn't make right, or restated in fundamental terms, 'is' does not make 'ought'. And you're an egoist, and that means you have no grounds to complain about anything, nor does anyone else have to care.

Moving Forward Inc wrote:

Trotskylvania wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that rapist who was apprehended, tried and convicted by the government really was justified in raping someone.

Do you even read the shit you type, or do you just vomit it up without thinking?

Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

Might makes right.
If the government has more might then it is right to use that might.

Cvtopia wrote:

Gorgashia wrote:
Police still provide a good deterrence.

Should I even count all the men that used WORDS to incite violence? There have been a lot and a lot of them have been disturbingly successful.

Incitement of violence is not the same as violence. Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how psychotic or abhorrent the opinion being expressed.

So anyone should have the right to divulge information that was given in confidence to anyone. After all, free speech is universal!

im a follower of moderate Ba'ath (Arab nationlism/soacialism)

Moving Forward Inc wrote:

Trotskylvania wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that rapist who was apprehended, tried and convicted by the government really was justified in raping someone.

Do you even read the shit you type, or do you just vomit it up without thinking?

Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

Gorgashia wrote:

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

Might makes right.
If the government has more might then it is right to use that might.

Might does not make right.
Right makes right.

Don'tbeagreedyhackintraitinazzism

Trotskylvania wrote:

Cvtopia wrote:Incitement of violence is not the same as violence. Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how psychotic or abhorrent the opinion being expressed.

So anyone should have the right to divulge information that was given in confidence to anyone. After all, free speech is universal!

Morally wrong, but legally fine.

Trotskylvania wrote:

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

If might made right, we wouldn't have two separate words for it.

But that's back in the real world, where we've all accepted basic philosophical truisms like might doesn't make right, or restated in fundamental terms, 'is' does not make 'ought'. And you're an egoist, and that means you have no grounds to complain about anything, nor does anyone else have to care.

'Ought' is subjective.
Also, I would like to know the ideology of egoism conflicts with making complaints.
Sometimes complaining is in your self-interest.

Cvtopia wrote:

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

Gorgashia wrote:
Might makes right.
If the government has more might then it is right to use that might.

Might does not make right.
Right makes right.

For the record, I do not believe that might makes right. I was just using Moving Forward's logic against him/her.

Gorgashia wrote:

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Might makes right.
The only justification a man needs to rape another is the desire and the ability.
That is both objective and scientific.

Might makes right.
If the government has more might then it is right to use that might.

It is also right that when the cops come round the corner, I take out the middle finger, and say that "I smell yummy bacon".
After all, I have the ability and I would not do it unless I had the desire.

Cvtopia wrote:

Trotskylvania wrote:So anyone should have the right to divulge information that was given in confidence to anyone. After all, free speech is universal!

Morally wrong, but legally fine.

Morality is subjective.

Faolinn wrote:I am a communal anarchist. I differentiate this from Marxist derived variants as it draws from sources from theories other than communism based theories and incorporates elements of other schools of thought as well.It isn't even primarily derived from Marxist thought though comparisons can be made.

I like you. Communism does predate Marx, you know. However, are you by chance influenced by the likes of Kropotkin? Berkman? Malatesta? Faure?

My political Theory is Marxism-Leninism
My practice is Stalinism...

CTALNH wrote:My political Theory is Marxism-Leninism
My practice is Stalinism...

Stalinism... AKA intentional genocides, and the systematic state murder of those who disagree with you...

I'm a Marxist-Leninist, so I put Socialist. With "Socialist" as a category it covers the "Communist" tendencies.

Moving Forward Inc wrote:

Trotskylvania wrote:If might made right, we wouldn't have two separate words for it.

But that's back in the real world, where we've all accepted basic philosophical truisms like might doesn't make right, or restated in fundamental terms, 'is' does not make 'ought'. And you're an egoist, and that means you have no grounds to complain about anything, nor does anyone else have to care.

'Ought' is subjective.

All the more reason you can't turn 'is' statements into 'ought' statements. And thus, why might doesn't make right.

Moving Forward Inc wrote:Also, I would like to know the ideology of egoism conflicts with making complaints.
Sometimes complaining is in your self-interest.

Here's where I put on my egoist hat.

And here's the egoist response.


So why would the egoist ever complain? No one has any reason to give a shit.

Moving Forward Inc wrote:

Cvtopia wrote:Morally wrong, but legally fine.

Morality is subjective.

So is legality, just ask a lawyer.

Cvtopia wrote:

Trotskylvania wrote:So anyone should have the right to divulge information that was given in confidence to anyone. After all, free speech is universal!

Morally wrong, but legally fine.

And thus, in your world attorneys can sell out their clients, your sensitive credit card information has no protection, and say goodbye to witness protection programs.

Moving Forward Inc wrote:

Gorgashia wrote:
Might makes right.
If the government has more might then it is right to use that might.

It is also right that when the cops come round the corner, I take out the middle finger, and say that "I smell yummy bacon".
After all, I have the ability and I would not do it unless I had the desire.

So, hypothetically, let's say your gesture and comment annoys the cops and they want to beat you up for the fun of it.
Should they do it?
They have the ability (batons) and they have the desire (you annoying them).

Cvtopia wrote:

CTALNH wrote:My political Theory is Marxism-Leninism
My practice is Stalinism...

Stalinism... AKA intentional genocides, and the systematic state murder of those who disagree with you...

Yeah pretty much....

But don't tell anyone....

p.s I am not kidding....Scary huh?

Gorgashia wrote:

Moving Forward Inc wrote:It is also right that when the cops come round the corner, I take out the middle finger, and say that "I smell yummy bacon".
After all, I have the ability and I would not do it unless I had the desire.

So, hypothetically, let's say your gesture and comment annoys the cops and they want to beat you up for the fun of it.
Should they do it?
They have the ability (batons) and they have the desire (you annoying them).

My opinion:
FUCK THE POLICE!