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What is your political ideology?

Anarcho-Capitalist
48
6%
Fascist
57
7%
Neo-Conservative
25
3%
Conservative
112
13%
Classical Liberal
74
9%
Modern Liberal
73
9%
Social Democrat
107
13%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Socialist
62
7%
Other (specify below)
144
17%
 
Total votes : 841

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North Calaveras
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:36 am

Frisivisia wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:A benevolent dictaorship is what you're looking for, cause despot usually means a cruel dictator.

Nevermind that Good Kings don't happen very often.


so? ever heard of enlightened absolutism? Those were benevolent despots.
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:36 am

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:A benevolent dictaorship is what you're looking for, cause despot usually means a cruel dictator.


i interchange the terms


despot

des·pot
[des-puh t, -pot] Show IPA
noun
1.
a king or other ruler with absolute, unlimited power; autocrat.
2.
any tyrant or oppressor.
3.
History/Historical . an honorary title applied to a Byzantine emperor, afterward to members of his family, and later to Byzantine vassal rulers and governors.

Yes but, usually benevolent people don't call themselves despots.

The word has negative connatations.

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Frisivisia
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:36 am

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You're an oxymoronist?


It's usually more an ideal than a reality, but there's nothing inherently oxymoronic about being a benevolent despot. Joseph II comes to mind.

You can't wield absolute power over any real number of people and not become corrupt or insane.
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Postby New Laikland » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:36 am

Frisivisia wrote:
New Laikland wrote:Hammer and Sickle are hardly Soviet.

Can't tell if serious, or...

>The hammer and sickle (☭) are a part of communist symbolism and their usage indicates an association with communism, a communist party, or a communist state

The USSR wasn't communist nor socialist, so I don't see the connection other than they used it.

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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:37 am

New Sapienta wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
i interchange the terms


despot

des·pot
[des-puh t, -pot] Show IPA
noun
1.
a king or other ruler with absolute, unlimited power; autocrat.
2.
any tyrant or oppressor.
3.
History/Historical . an honorary title applied to a Byzantine emperor, afterward to members of his family, and later to Byzantine vassal rulers and governors.

Yes but, usually benevolent people don't call themselves despots.

The word has negative connatations.


well then that's the fault of the ignorant.
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New Sapienta
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:37 am

Frisivisia wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:
It's usually more an ideal than a reality, but there's nothing inherently oxymoronic about being a benevolent despot. Joseph II comes to mind.

You can't wield absolute power over any real number of people and not become corrupt or insane.

Theoretically you can, and I wouldn't classify everyone who has as "insane".

Good kings are usally a rarity though.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:37 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Nevermind that Good Kings don't happen very often.


so? ever heard of enlightened absolutism? Those were benevolent despots.

I'd say that roughly all of human history, minus Athens, pre-enlightenment, shows that despotism is not very good. Also, the Soviet Union.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:38 am

New Sapienta wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You can't wield absolute power over any real number of people and not become corrupt or insane.

Theoretically you can, and I wouldn't classify everyone who has as "insane".

Good kings are usally a rarity though.

Which is basically my argument. I don't trust people enough to have a random one given absolute power.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:38 am

New Sapienta wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You can't wield absolute power over any real number of people and not become corrupt or insane.

Theoretically you can, and I wouldn't classify everyone who has as "insane".

Good kings are usally a rarity though.


yeah but they have existed on more than one occasion so idk how it's being oxymoronist.. :(
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:39 am

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Yes but, usually benevolent people don't call themselves despots.

The word has negative connatations.


well then that's the fault of the ignorant.

Perhaps but rulers are supposd to be pragmatic no?

You can call a black person an ape(we're all apes) but that doesn't mean he won't or shouldn't take offense.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:39 am

New Laikland wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Can't tell if serious, or...

>The hammer and sickle (☭) are a part of communist symbolism and their usage indicates an association with communism, a communist party, or a communist state

The USSR wasn't communist nor socialist, so I don't see the connection other than they used it.

The swastika is a Hindu and Buddhist symbol meaning harmony, peace, and power.

The Nazis didn't promote any of that, so I don't see any connection.
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Sardakhar
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Postby Sardakhar » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:39 am

My views are a mixture of conservatism and liberalism (opposing abortion except if the mother's life is endangered, supporting the separation of church and state, for example).

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North Calaveras
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:40 am

New Sapienta wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
well then that's the fault of the ignorant.

Perhaps but rulers are supposd to be pragmatic no?

You can call a black person an ape(we're all apes) but that doesn't mean he won't or shouldn't take offense.


Not my problem, dictator has negative connotations to yet you reccomended it.
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New Sapienta
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:40 am

New Laikland wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Can't tell if serious, or...

>The hammer and sickle (☭) are a part of communist symbolism and their usage indicates an association with communism, a communist party, or a communist state

The USSR wasn't communist nor socialist, so I don't see the connection other than they used it.

The hammer and sickle can be both Soviet and Communist.

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Varijnland
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Postby Varijnland » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:40 am

Traditional Conservative.

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New Laikland
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Postby New Laikland » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:41 am

Frisivisia wrote:
New Laikland wrote:>The hammer and sickle (☭) are a part of communist symbolism and their usage indicates an association with communism, a communist party, or a communist state

The USSR wasn't communist nor socialist, so I don't see the connection other than they used it.

The swastika is a Hindu and Buddhist symbol meaning harmony, peace, and power.

The Nazis didn't promote any of that, so I don't see any connection.


The swastika IS a buddhist symbol. I honestly don't see why people think of the Nazis when they see it.

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New Sapienta
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:41 am

New Laikland wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:The swastika is a Hindu and Buddhist symbol meaning harmony, peace, and power.

The Nazis didn't promote any of that, so I don't see any connection.


The swastika IS a buddhist symbol. I honestly don't see why people think of the Nazis when they see it.

Perhaps because millions died under it.

A symbol can be corrupeted.

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New Conway
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Postby New Conway » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:41 am

Classic liberal, with a few compromises obviously but the way my opinions developed I just happened to be the perfect 18th century capitalist rebel.
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Postby New Sapienta » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:42 am

North Calaveras wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Perhaps but rulers are supposd to be pragmatic no?

You can call a black person an ape(we're all apes) but that doesn't mean he won't or shouldn't take offense.


Not my problem, dictator has negative connotations to yet you reccomended it.

It does, but not as much as despot.

Calling yourself something other than dictator would make you sound silly, dear Leader.

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EnragedMaldivians
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:42 am

Frisivisia wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:
It's usually more an ideal than a reality, but there's nothing inherently oxymoronic about being a benevolent despot. Joseph II comes to mind.

You can't wield absolute power over any real number of people and not become corrupt or insane.


Lucius Quintius Cincinnatus might disagree with you.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:42 am

New Conway wrote:Classic liberal, with a few compromises obviously but the way my opinions developed I just happened to be the perfect 18th century capitalist rebel.

Leave dead ideologies to rest in peace, you bloody necromancer.
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Postby New Laikland » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:43 am

New Sapienta wrote:
New Laikland wrote:
The swastika IS a buddhist symbol. I honestly don't see why people think of the Nazis when they see it.

Perhaps because millions died under it.

A symbol can be corrupeted.

Twice as many died under the American flag.

Over 60 million died under the Chinese Flag

I hardly think 6 million dead coupled with all those medical and technology advancements are worth corrupting a symbol's meaning.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:43 am

Marxist-Leninist. You can include communist, because socialist is just the stage in a communist revolution where the proletariat replace the bourgeois as the ruling class (dictatorship of the proletariat) and the means of production are put under common ownership.
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Postby The Godly Nations » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:43 am

Monarchist.

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Postby New Conway » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:44 am

Trotskylvania wrote:
New Conway wrote:Classic liberal, with a few compromises obviously but the way my opinions developed I just happened to be the perfect 18th century capitalist rebel.

Leave dead ideologies to rest in peace, you bloody necromancer.

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