Arizona Sheriff Calls for Armed "Posse" in Schools

[North Calaveras]

Apparently there are quite a few people on NS who belive that a first world nation could never turn totalitarian and that we should throw our guns away because they think we wouldn't stand a chance so we might as well not even try.

About 98%.

Yeah but who gives a fuck, NS is just a bunch of arm-chair socialists(i used to be among them) anyways, save for a few good men/women.

[United States of Dixieland]

How about we just place police stations near schools?

Seems the best of both worlds.

even if they are located near a school police get calls from all over. They cannot be everywhere at once. Then you have to define near. 1 block away? 2 blocks away? A killer would have aready killed a dozen by the tie they arrive. Whereas you give a teacher a gun and train her on how to handle one properly and safey the problem is solved by the time the police get there. Besides most of these shootings seems to happen in states where gun cntrol is stricter. From the day I was born in my hometown in Georgia I had never seen or heard of anything like Connt. in my area.

[Wikkiwallana]

And are we just forgetting what CAN happen if a government restricts the right of gun ownership? THINGS LIKE THE SYRIAN SITUATION HAPPEN. Governments can wipe out their citizens who are unarmed.

That is one hell of a slippery slope argument. Seriously, how did you get from A to B here?

[North Calaveras]

How about we just place police stations near schools?

Seems the best of both worlds.

even if they are located near a school police get calls from all over. They cannot be everywhere at once. Then you have to define near. 1 block away? 2 blocks away? A killer would have aready killed a dozen by the tie they arrive. Whereas you give a teacher a gun and train her on how to handle one properly and safey the problem is solved by the time the police get there. Besides most of these shootings seems to happen in states where gun cntrol is stricter. From the day I was born in my hometown in Georgia I had never seen or heard of anything like Connt. in my area.

Civilians are incapable of learning how to handle a stressful situation "nods"

[New Sapienta]

How about we just place police stations near schools?

Seems the best of both worlds.

even if they are located near a school police get calls from all over. They cannot be everywhere at once. Then you have to define near. 1 block away? 2 blocks away? A killer would have aready killed a dozen by the tie they arrive. Whereas you give a teacher a gun and train her on how to handle one properly and safey the problem is solved by the time the police get there. Besides most of these shootings seems to happen in states where gun cntrol is stricter. From the day I was born in my hometown in Georgia I had never seen or heard of anything like Connt. in my area.

Most suburbian areas are not that heavily taxed when it comes to police emergincies, only cities because of the amount of crimes and rural areas because of the amount of police officers.

It would be much better to have armed guards then "trained" teachers since I doubt whatever training you'd give them would make the eacher ready for a the situation, while an armed guard is there for one purpose.

[Reichmar]

Guns are our second line of defense. FYI NBC is liberal and stupid.

[North Calaveras]

Guns are our second line of defense. FYI NBC is liberal and stupid p.

You should see MSNBC 'shudders"

[Reichmar]

Guns are our second line of defense. FYI NBC is liberal and stupid p.

You should see MSNBC 'shudders"

Hissssssss

[Wikkiwallana]

Guns are our second line of defense. FYI NBC is liberal and stupid.

What's the first? Also, using "liberal" as an insult on this forum is a bad idea; the Mods don't take kindly to generalizations.

[The Black Forrest]

Guns are our second line of defense. FYI NBC is liberal and stupid.

Hello Pawpet. Who is your master?

Librawl as an insult? *yawns*

Please try harder.

[Gauthier]

Guns are our second line of defense. FYI NBC is liberal and stupid.

Hello Pawpet. Who is your master?

I'm guessing Leftnightmare.

[Dyakovo]

And if he had had a gun you would be dead, which is the major point.At current anyone can acquire a wind variety of guns with little to no issues at all, which they can then turn around and use to commit any number of violent crimes.

you can buy pencils, sharpen them, and go on a wild pencil stabbing spree aswell! I don't see lawmakers banning pencils!

Why do most gun nuts assume "gun control"="gun ban"?

[Trotskylvania]

Like it or not, students do need to be protected. In our backwards society, shootings happen, and we do not want the victims to be defenseless.

At the rate they happen, it is not worth the resources.

Seriously, does anyone stop to think what these inane proposals would cost? THere's on average one or two school shootings in the US per year. Yes, it horrible and it is inevitable that people will be deeply moved by this. But it's always far easier to have sympathy with suffering than sympathy with thought. And for the price of putting one extra police officer in every school in America, you could increase mental health funding to such a degree that you'd save a hundred people from suicide, and maybe one from shooting up his school.

[North Calaveras]

Like it or not, students do need to be protected. In our backwards society, shootings happen, and we do not want the victims to be defenseless.

At the rate they happen, it is not worth the resources.

Seriously, does anyone stop to think what these inane proposals would cost? THere's on average one or two school shootings in the US per year. Yes, it horrible and it is inevitable that people will be deeply moved by this. But it's always far easier to have sympathy with suffering than sympathy with thought. And for the price of putting one extra police officer in every school in America, you could increase mental health funding to such a degree that you'd save a hundred people from suicide, and maybe one from shooting up his school.

Thank you Trots

[Dyakovo]

even if they are located near a school police get calls from all over. They cannot be everywhere at once. Then you have to define near. 1 block away? 2 blocks away? A killer would have aready killed a dozen by the tie they arrive. Whereas you give a teacher a gun and train her on how to handle one properly and safey the problem is solved by the time the police get there. Besides most of these shootings seems to happen in states where gun cntrol is stricter. From the day I was born in my hometown in Georgia I had never seen or heard of anything like Connt. in my area.

Civilians are incapable of learning how to handle a stressful situation "nods"

Nice strawman... You build it yourself or did you need some help?

The actual statement that you are attempting to pervert is "most civilians are incapable of responding appropriately with a firearm in a life or death situation."

[North Calaveras]

Civilians are incapable of learning how to handle a stressful situation "nods"

Nice strawman... You build it yourself or did you need some help?

The actual statement that you are attempting to pervert is "most civilians are incapable of responding appropriately with a firearm in a life or death situation."

Thanks I got the straw from your farm

anyways yes people on NS seem to love to point out how incapable civilians are with firearms.

[The Black Forrest]

Nice strawman... You build it yourself or did you need some help?

The actual statement that you are attempting to pervert is "most civilians are incapable of responding appropriately with a firearm in a life or death situation."

Thanks I got the straw from your farm

anyways yes people on NS seem to love to point out how incapable civilians are with firearms.

What percentages are we talking about here?

[Dyakovo]

Nice strawman... You build it yourself or did you need some help?

The actual statement that you are attempting to pervert is "most civilians are incapable of responding appropriately with a firearm in a life or death situation."

Thanks I got the straw from your farm

anyways yes people on NS seem to love to point out how incapable civilians are with firearms.

In high stress situations, they usually are. Attempting to accurately return fire when someone is shooting at you is vastly different from target shooting a a range.
It's really quite sad that you don't realize that.

[North Calaveras]

Thanks I got the straw from your farm

anyways yes people on NS seem to love to point out how incapable civilians are with firearms.

In high stress situations, they usually are. Attempting to accurately return fire when someone is shooting at you is vastly different from target shooting a a range.
It's really quite sad that you don't realize that.

sauce?

[Dyakovo]

In high stress situations, they usually are. Attempting to accurately return fire when someone is shooting at you is vastly different from target shooting a a range.
It's really quite sad that you don't realize that.

sauce?

Being trained to handle said situations, also difference in performance in combat situations between trained, professional soldiers and militias.

(Yes, I know its not a proper source, but I'm on my phone, so sourcing stuff is difficult...)
Look up the Gabrielle Gifford shooting...

[North Calaveras]

sauce?

Being trained to handle said situations, also difference in performance in combat situations between trained, professional soldiers and militias.

(Yes, I know its not a proper source, but I'm on my phone, so sourcing stuff is difficult...)
Look up the Gabrielle Gifford shooting...

We don't know if police are able to handle these situations until they are in them as well, we can only hope their training is enough but it's the individual that matters whether or not htey are going to act.

and I think i will just wait till you post a legitament source.

[Dyakovo]

Being trained to handle said situations, also difference in performance in combat situations between trained, professional soldiers and militias.

(Yes, I know its not a proper source, but I'm on my phone, so sourcing stuff is difficult...)
Look up the Gabrielle Gifford shooting...

We don't know if police are able to handle these situations until they are in them as well, we can only hope their training is enough but it's the individual that matters whether or not htey are going to act.

and I think i will just wait till you post a legitament source.

You realize you're supporting my position, yes?

[North Calaveras]

We don't know if police are able to handle these situations until they are in them as well, we can only hope their training is enough but it's the individual that matters whether or not htey are going to act.

and I think i will just wait till you post a legitament source.

You realize you're supporting my position, yes?

I don't think we need cops or a posse or any armed presence, so we might already be on the same side to begin with.

[Dyakovo]

You realize you're supporting my position, yes?

I don't think we need cops or a posse or any armed presence, so we might already be on the same side to begin with.

We are... We just differ on some details.

[L Ron Cupboard]

However, there seems to be a consensus among practitioners and researchers alike that police marksmanship in real-life (scene of a crime) situations is less than desirable, something along the order of one hit for every six shots (Morrison 2002). This means that in gunfighting with actual criminals, the average police officer effectiveness is at the level of 17% proficiency. This is much less, as you will have noticed, than the 84% proficiency level required for qualification in police training. It also illustrates the problem, that real-life situations are so vastly different from training situations.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/mstevens/205/205lect02a.htm

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals. ... w=abstract