Christian Discussion Thread II

[Abatael]

We have the Quicunque Vult, Symbolum Nicaenum, and Symbolum Apostolorum as the three main creeds.

You go to church every Sunday, but I suppose you could go more often or not at all, if you do private worshiping.

The Pope is seen is the Bishop of Rome, the successor of St. Peter, the chief pastor of the whole Church, and is the vicar of Christ upon Earth.

Is your Mass said in Latin by any chance? Because I go to church every Sunday and I have never heard the Quicunque Vult. I think what you are going at is the Nicean Creed, the Apostolic Creed, and I have no clue what the first one was.

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

Edit: It's not done in Latin.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Oh. So I presume that the original sin thing is why God chose her to bear Christ?

Yes, and there was also the assumption of Mary, which is that Mary was brought into Heaven by God's will before she actually died. This is good for a human.

I see.

[Abatael]

It's not like the service is done in Latin, but Latin is used by the Holy See quite often. Here, not so much.

The tradition started when Jesus said to St. Peter (something along the lines of), "Peter, you are the rock, upon which I will build my Church." Peter was the first Pope, and then the primacy of Simon Peter (the idea that Peter was the most prominent of the Apostles) is passed on to the Pope continually. It means the Pope is higher than other bishops in the Church.

Okay.

Interesting.

Also, Jesus gave to Peter, the Pope, the keys to Heaven.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Is your Mass said in Latin by any chance? Because I go to church every Sunday and I have never heard the Quicunque Vult. I think what you are going at is the Nicean Creed, the Apostolic Creed, and I have no clue what the first one was.

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

All three of those creeds are also used in Lutheranism.

[Abatael]

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

All three of those creeds are also used in Lutheranism.

Yeah, many do.

[Vazdania]

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

All three of those creeds are also used in Lutheranism.

Lutheranism is quite close to Catholicism as it was one of the first major Protestant Break offs.

[Grave_n_idle]

The tradition started when Jesus said to St. Peter (something along the lines of), "Peter, you are the rock, upon which I will build my Church." .

You guys do understand that that was a joke, right?

[Abatael]

The tradition started when Jesus said to St. Peter (something along the lines of), "Peter, you are the rock, upon which I will build my Church." .

You guys do understand that that was a joke, right?

No, no, it wasn't.

[German American States]

Is your Mass said in Latin by any chance? Because I go to church every Sunday and I have never heard the Quicunque Vult. I think what you are going at is the Nicean Creed, the Apostolic Creed, and I have no clue what the first one was.

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

Edit: It's not done in Latin.

What the hell is the Athanasian Creed? You must go to a really conservative parish, Abatael.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

All three of those creeds are also used in Lutheranism.

Lutheranism is quite close to Catholicism as it was one of the first major Protestant Break offs.

It was THE first.

[Southern Louisiane]

The tradition started when Jesus said to St. Peter (something along the lines of), "Peter, you are the rock, upon which I will build my Church." .

You guys do understand that that was a joke, right?

No

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

Edit: It's not done in Latin.

What the hell is the Athanasian Creed? You must go to a really conservative parish, Abatael.

Uh it is a creed made by someone in Alexandria in ancient Egypt.

[German American States]

You guys do understand that that was a joke, right?

No, no, it wasn't.

Yeah, what are you thinking?

[Abatael]

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

Edit: It's not done in Latin.

What the hell is the Athanasian Creed? You must go to a really conservative parish, Abatael.

You've never heard of the Athanasian Creed?

[Grave_n_idle]

I will think about it. But I will of course need to learn the scripture and general beliefs of the Catholic Church.

As a Catholic, to sum it up:
-Bread and Wine become Body and Blood of Christ
-Jesus is three people in one

This is amazingly simplified, so still look into it. But the main thing that sets us apart is the first bullet.

I would have thought the main thing that set you apart was Tradition.

[Abatael]

No, no, it wasn't.

Yeah, what are you thinking?

Me?

[Vazdania]

It's called the Athanasian Creed.

Edit: It's not done in Latin.

What the hell is the Athanasian Creed? You must go to a really conservative parish, Abatael.

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.

9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.

11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;

18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.

19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;

20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.

21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.

22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.

23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.

26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.

27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.

28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.

31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.

32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.

33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.

34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.

35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.

36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.

37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;

38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;

39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;

40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;

42. and shall give account of their own works.

43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

[Grave_n_idle]

You guys do understand that that was a joke, right?

No, no, it wasn't.

Yes, yes it was. It played better to a Greek crowd.

[Vazdania]

Lutheranism is quite close to Catholicism as it was one of the first major Protestant Break offs.

It was THE first.

HIGHLY DEBATABLE, The fact is that ANABAPTISTS could really be considered one of the first breakoffs.

[Abatael]

No, no, it wasn't.

Yes, yes it was. It played better to a Greek crowd.

It wasn't a joke.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

It was THE first.

HIGHLY DEBATABLE, The fact is that ANABAPTISTS could really be considered one of the first breakoffs.

All caps is not that nececary. Plus Anabaptists were not a major group.

[German American States]

Yeah, what are you thinking?

Me?

No, the other guy!

[Vazdania]

HIGHLY DEBATABLE, The fact is that ANABAPTISTS could really be considered one of the first breakoffs.

All caps is not that nececary. Plus Anabaptists were not a major group.

it doesn't matter if they are major or not, they're a group.

[German American States]

What the hell is the Athanasian Creed? You must go to a really conservative parish, Abatael.

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.

9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.

11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;

18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.

19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;

20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.

21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.

22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.

23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.

26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.

27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.

28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.

31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.

32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.

33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.

34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.

35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.

36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.

37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;

38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;

39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;

40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;

42. and shall give account of their own works.

43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

Oh wait, is this the one where you say "I do" at the end of everything? We only do that one at baptisms and Im not sure about weddings.

[German American States]

No, no, it wasn't.

Yes, yes it was. It played better to a Greek crowd.

What do you mean, it played better to a Greek crowd. What did it mean then?