Christian Discussion Thread II

[Abatael]

It calls their penises "members."

I'm telling you, you could not make an uncensored film version of the Bible, and show it on network television.

They do use euphemisms though. For example, "flesh" is a euphemism (not always) for genitals. To "know" someone is to have sex with them, the same is if you "lay" with them. Also, "issue" is used in place of semen.

[Pope Joan]

Such as?

I dont know. I remember one time when he referenced a Charlie Brown comic in his homily. Another time, at the end of Mass, he was cracking jokes about a local football team. And one time, when my sister went for her first communion, she was looking serious or something and he said "why so serious?" The funny thing is that was about 6 years before The Dark Knight came out.

There's a lot of spiritual material in Shulz. His first work was for a Catholic magazine and he was always active in his faith.
http://www.churchoftheroses.org/staff/j ... museum.pdf

[Xathranaar]

I'm telling you, you could not make an uncensored film version of the Bible, and show it on network television.

They do use euphemisms though. For example, "flesh" is a euphemism (not always) for genitals. To "know" someone is to have sex with them, the same is if you "lay" with them. Also, "issue" is used in place of semen.

It's going to be hard to find a euphemism for raping your dad or for genocide.

[Menassa]

What the hell! What book of the bible is that in?

Ezekiel 23:20

The Actual word is flesh or Basor Rashi however says it's the phallus.

Rashi also says the reason the're emissions are like horses because horses mate more than any other animal.... and that's how they viewed the Babylonians.... barbaric rapists.

[Xathranaar]

Ezekiel 23:20

The Actual word is flesh or Basor Rashi however says it's the phallus.

Rashi also says the reason the're emissions are like horses because horses mate more than any other animal.... and that's how they viewed the Babylonians.... barbaric rapists.

I'm sorry, no.

Plenty of animals mate more than horses. And Humans spend more of their time mating then any other mammal.

[Menassa]

The Actual word is flesh or Basor Rashi however says it's the phallus.

Rashi also says the reason the're emissions are like horses because horses mate more than any other animal.... and that's how they viewed the Babylonians.... barbaric rapists.

I'm sorry, no.

Plenty of animals mate more than horses. And Humans spend more of their time mating then any other mammal.

and… is the issue of horses: An expression of a profusion of sexual intercourse, for they engage in sexual intercourse more than any other male animals. זִרְמַת refers to the stream of semen, like (Habakkuk 3:10): “A stream (זֶרֶם) of water passed.”

[Xathranaar]

I'm sorry, no.

Plenty of animals mate more than horses. And Humans spend more of their time mating then any other mammal.

and… is the issue of horses: An expression of a profusion of sexual intercourse, for they engage in sexual intercourse more than any other male animals. זִרְמַת refers to the stream of semen, like (Habakkuk 3:10): “A stream (זֶרֶם) of water passed.”

Rashi is wrong.

[Menassa]

and… is the issue of horses: An expression of a profusion of sexual intercourse, for they engage in sexual intercourse more than any other male animals. זִרְמַת refers to the stream of semen, like (Habakkuk 3:10): “A stream (זֶרֶם) of water passed.”

Rashi is wrong.

I don't think he's wrong.... if you can provide me with some scientific evidence that humans mate the most that would be great.

Also you have to take into consideration that he was writing in a medieval time period.... if horses seemed like it was the animal that mated the most then that would make sense no?

[Menassa]

I dont know. I remember one time when he referenced a Charlie Brown comic in his homily. Another time, at the end of Mass, he was cracking jokes about a local football team. And one time, when my sister went for her first communion, she was looking serious or something and he said "why so serious?" The funny thing is that was about 6 years before The Dark Knight came out.

There's a lot of spiritual material in Shulz. His first work was for a Catholic magazine and he was always active in his faith.
http://www.churchoftheroses.org/staff/j ... museum.pdf

You could really do that with anything you choose..... I believe if I am correct there is a book out there that shows how Whinnie the Pooh is really a hidden communist manifesto.

[Ravenvalles]

Then you are not reading the bible. Baalem and the talking donkey - very funny.

There is no humor in that story.

Sure it is, the point that if one is not following gods direction then one is stupider than a donkey is a very amusing turn.

The scene of God taunting Satan with Job's faith is even funnier. It is like two Bubbas debating the abilities of NASCAR driver.

[Ravenvalles]

horses mate more than any other animal....

I have a ram out with ewes right now that would disagree with Rashi. I guess Rashi is allowed a little hyperbole to make his point.

[The Archregimancy]

How so?

Because nontrinitarians are Christians.

Various nontrinitarian views, such as Adoptionism, Monarchianism and Arianism existed prior to the formal definition of the Trinity doctrine in 325, 360, and 431 AD, at the Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus.

Modern nontrinitarian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, La Luz del Mundo, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians and the United Church of God.

Conscentia's post is a good one that, for the most part, shows a solid knowledge of nontrinitarian movements within Christianity - though it's worth stressing that there's almost no tradition of nontrinitarianism within Christianity between the final victory of Nicene Christianity (which we can roughly date to Justinian's partial reconquest of the West in the 6th century and the consequent suppression of Ostrogoth and Vandal Arianism) and the 19th century; there's no real continuity of tradition.

I could quibble by pointing out that adoptionism is one of the two primary forms of monarchianism (alongside modalism/Sabellianism) rather than a wholly separate Classical-era heresy; but otherwise Conscentia's basic point is sound.

But this squabbling over the extent to whether nontrinitarians are Christians or not rather misses the point when it comes to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (assuming that this is why we're still discussing this), and I'm slightly surprised to see so much energy expended on this narrow issue when it's arguably a distraction from the central point.

As Conscentia correctly points out, there have been multiple nontrinitarian movements through Christian history, and not all of these have been rejected as inherently non-Christian. Arianism, for example, is classified by Nicene Christianity as a heresy (therefore a heterodox Christian belief system) rather than an inherently non-Christian belief system. So contrary to what Goodclark states, nontrinitarianism is perhaps best described from the perspective of traditional Christianity as a heresy rather than as necessarily un-Christian.

The central issue for many - though by no means all - Christians and the self-description of LDS Church isn't necessarily over the nontrinitarian theology of the latter, but rather over the perception over who and what God and Jesus are, and whether the Jehovah/Jesus of the LDS Church is necessarily the same entity that traditional Christianity believes to be Jesus. There's no doubt rich grounds for disagreement and discusssion over that point, and I'll limit myself here to making an analogy.

For many Nicene-tradition Christians, the more accurate comparison isn't therefore between the LDS Church and Arianism (which is merely a nontrinitarian Christian heresy) but rather between the LDS church and classical gnosticism; not so much in the sense of gnostic dualism, but in the sense that the entities described as 'God' and 'Jesus' within gnosticism are often held to share names, but no other characteristics, with their Christian equivalents.

I stress that the above isn't an attempt to convince anyone, nor do I expect it to convince anyone - it's merely an attempt to outline why to many Nicene-tradition Christians the nontrinitarianism of the LDS Church isn't necessarily either the central or sole problem with the latter's theology.

[Xathranaar]

Rashi is wrong.

I don't think he's wrong.... if you can provide me with some scientific evidence that humans mate the most that would be great.

Also you have to take into consideration that he was writing in a medieval time period.... if horses seemed like it was the animal that mated the most then that would make sense no?

Isn't it obvious? Humans have non-reproductive sex, foreplay, and recreational sex. Some humans have sex every single day, sometimes more than once, and virtually all humans engage in solo sexual activity on regular basis.

Horses don't do any of that.

[The Archregimancy]

I don't think he's wrong.... if you can provide me with some scientific evidence that humans mate the most that would be great.

I never thought I'd actually write this myself, but...

Also bonobos.

[Menassa]

There is no humor in that story.

Sure it is, the point that if one is not following gods direction then one is stupider than a donkey is a very amusing turn.

The scene of God taunting Satan with Job's faith is even funnier. It is like two Bubbas debating the abilities of NASCAR driver.

What is this? ..... I don't even.

[Dieu Vous Benisse]

Sure it is, the point that if one is not following gods direction then one is stupider than a donkey is a very amusing turn.

The scene of God taunting Satan with Job's faith is even funnier. It is like two Bubbas debating the abilities of NASCAR driver.

What is this? ..... I don't even.

Sometimes it's best not to ask

[German American States]

The thing about you Menassa, is that I can never tell if you are joking or not.

I'm never joking.

So you really believe that the pastor at my church is a prophet?

[Dieu Vous Benisse]

I'm never joking.

So you really believe that the pastor at my church is a prophet?

One meaning of prophet in the dictionary is: a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader. So your pastor could very well be and inspired teacher. Never doubt Menassa

[German American States]

So you really believe that the pastor at my church is a prophet?

One meaning of prophet in the dictionary is: a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader. So your pastor could very well be and inspired teacher. Never doubt Menassa

But the Dark Knight?!

[The French Kingdom]

I consider them to be.

You are incorrect in your consideration. You may consider Mormons to be Christian, but God does not.

You you might be right, Kaiser, but you'd do better to explain why they are not.

They violate the Nicean Creed with anti-trinitarian doctine and have substitute Christian Scripture to supplement their own Book of Mormon. That is why they're heretics.

[German American States]

I don't think he's wrong.... if you can provide me with some scientific evidence that humans mate the most that would be great.

Also you have to take into consideration that he was writing in a medieval time period.... if horses seemed like it was the animal that mated the most then that would make sense no?

Isn't it obvious? Humans have non-reproductive sex, foreplay, and recreational sex. Some humans have sex every single day, sometimes more than once, and virtually all humans engage in solo sexual activity on regular basis.

Horses don't do any of that.

This proves the connection between religion and sex is more prominent and disgusting than most think.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yo everyone. So I am thinking about becoming Catholic. What are your thoughts on that?

What are the reasons that attart you to the Catholic faith?

I don't know actually. Something just gives me a feeling that the Catholic faith might be correct in their thinking.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yo everyone. So I am thinking about becoming Catholic. What are your thoughts on that?

Don't.

Why not?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Yo everyone. So I am thinking about becoming Catholic. What are your thoughts on that?

Go ahead. Then you won't embarrass us Protestants anymore.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Go ahead. Then you won't embarrass us Protestants anymore.

Whoa bob, let's try to love our neighbors as ourselves from now on.

EDIT: Wasn't he Lutheran?

I still am Lutheran.