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What denomination are you?

Catholic,
261
30%
Mormon,
13
1%
Anglican,
38
4%
Orthodox,
54
6%
Baptist,
112
13%
Lutheran,
51
6%
Society of Friends,
8
1%
Episcopal,
27
3%
Mystic,
21
2%
Other
294
33%
 
Total votes : 879

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Postby Need a Name » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:11 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Need a name wrote:Actually there's a ton for Christianity.


Here we go....

Great, you're here.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:11 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Need a name wrote:Actually there's a ton for Christianity.


Here we go....

I just imagined The Joker in my head, and it was perfect.

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Postby Scholencia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:12 pm

Christianity and European culture civilised the world. At least they desirve some credit for that.

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:12 pm

Need a name wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Here we go....

Great, you're here.


Are you complementing me or insulting me? I can't tell. If you're complementing me, HI!
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:14 pm

Scholencia wrote:Christianity and European culture civilised the world. At least they desirve some credit for that.


How did they civilize the world? This is a legitimate question.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:14 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Need a name wrote:Great, you're here.


Are you complementing me or insulting me? I can't tell. If you're complementing me, HI!

I think it was more of an "aw fuck"

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Postby Need a Name » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:15 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Are you complementing me or insulting me? I can't tell. If you're complementing me, HI!

I think it was more of an "aw fuck"

To an extent, yes. and hi
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I'm a Christian and a Patriot
“Right is Right even if nobody does it. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is wrong about it.”― G.K. Chesterton

"Better to fight for something than live for nothing." -- George S. Patton Jr.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day." -- Jesus Christ

For: Christianity, America, NATO, EU, Israel, Effective Education Reform, The US Military, Social Capital, and Compromise
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Postby Madredia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:15 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Madredia wrote:Indeed. I take it you're a Christian Tarsonis?


I am. I'm a bit of a black sheep though, I was born Methodist, but wasn't really a fan. I was an atheist,looked at Wicca and Paganism. But through a series of Deductions and "Revelations," I became a Baptist, and have been for Ten Years. My journey though has colored me interestingly. I think I might investigate Catholicism. I'd look into Orthodox, but I can't give Distruzio the satisfaction. ;)


Thats interesting. So how old were you when you actually gave your life to Christ? Personally I was 5 when I did and I have been raised going to Pentecostal churches but no one in my family is denominational. I've pretty much always been close to God by faith but when I was 13-14 I actually logically concluded that Jehovah is God and there's no 2 way about it. I just see myself as a Christian I don't worry about categorizing myself too much, as my interpretations of the Word are developing constantly. My beliefs closely associate to Quaker (thats what a test I took said).

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:16 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Scholencia wrote:Christianity and European culture civilised the world. At least they desirve some credit for that.


How did they civilize the world? This is a legitimate question.

The did contribute greatly to civilization for 1600 years. But Muslims and other Religions did as well.

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:17 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Are you complementing me or insulting me? I can't tell. If you're complementing me, HI!

I think it was more of an "aw fuck"


Well, me and a few others did a good job of explaining evolution to him. I doubt it's an "aw fuck"

EDIT: I guess it is.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:19 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
How did they civilize the world? This is a legitimate question.

The did contribute greatly to civilization for 1600 years. But Muslims and other Religions did as well.


Can you provide specific technological or social advancements?
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:20 pm

Madredia wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
I am. I'm a bit of a black sheep though, I was born Methodist, but wasn't really a fan. I was an atheist,looked at Wicca and Paganism. But through a series of Deductions and "Revelations," I became a Baptist, and have been for Ten Years. My journey though has colored me interestingly. I think I might investigate Catholicism. I'd look into Orthodox, but I can't give Distruzio the satisfaction. ;)


Thats interesting. So how old were you when you actually gave your life to Christ? Personally I was 5 when I did and I have been raised going to Pentecostal churches but no one in my family is denominational. I've pretty much always been close to God by faith but when I was 13-14 I actually logically concluded that Jehovah is God and there's no 2 way about it. I just see myself as a Christian I don't worry about categorizing myself too much, as my interpretations of the Word are developing constantly. My beliefs closely associate to Quaker (thats what a test I took said).



14 I was baptized into faith, but "fervant convictions" developed more in the last t4 years, largely due making some mormon friends in the USMC.

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Postby Need a Name » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:21 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:I think it was more of an "aw fuck"


Well, me and a few others did a good job of explaining evolution to him. I doubt it's an "aw fuck"

EDIT: I guess it is.

Now it is not, out of everyone I've debated with you're probably the smartest. I was just afraid of another debate.
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“Right is Right even if nobody does it. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is wrong about it.”― G.K. Chesterton

"Better to fight for something than live for nothing." -- George S. Patton Jr.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day." -- Jesus Christ

For: Christianity, America, NATO, EU, Israel, Effective Education Reform, The US Military, Social Capital, and Compromise
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:22 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:The did contribute greatly to civilization for 1600 years. But Muslims and other Religions did as well.


Can you provide specific technological or social advancements?

Uh the Catholic church effectively ruled Europe for a Thousand Years, to say they didn't would just be silly.

if you want tomorrow I'll go into specifics. But for now I'm off to bed.

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:22 pm

Need a name wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Well, me and a few others did a good job of explaining evolution to him. I doubt it's an "aw fuck"

EDIT: I guess it is.

Now it is not, out of everyone I've debated with you're probably the smartest.


Thank you. I say that with sincerity.

Btw, did you have any more questions?
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Postby Scholencia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Scholencia wrote:Christianity and European culture civilised the world. At least they desirve some credit for that.


How did they civilize the world? This is a legitimate question.

By spreading western culture. Before the arrival of the Europeans in America, Asia, Africa etc. That places were without technology, science, infrastrukture, road... When colonisation started they made thoose countries to decent nations.

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:23 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Can you provide specific technological or social advancements?

Uh the Catholic church effectively ruled Europe for a Thousand Years, to say they didn't would just be silly.

if you want tomorrow I'll go into specifics. But for now I'm off to bed.


Bye!
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Postby Need a Name » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:24 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Need a name wrote:Now it is not, out of everyone I've debated with you're probably the smartest.


Thank you. I say that with sincerity.

Btw, did you have any more questions?

Not currently, but soon.
I'm a Christian and a Patriot
“Right is Right even if nobody does it. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is wrong about it.”― G.K. Chesterton

"Better to fight for something than live for nothing." -- George S. Patton Jr.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day." -- Jesus Christ

For: Christianity, America, NATO, EU, Israel, Effective Education Reform, The US Military, Social Capital, and Compromise
Against: Radical fundamentalism, Militant Atheism, Current US Congress, Ignorance, and ISIS (obviously).

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:24 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
How did they civilize the world? This is a legitimate question.

By spreading western culture. Before the arrival of the Europeans in America, Asia, Africa etc. That places were without technology, science, infrastrukture, road... When colonisation started they made thoose countries to decent nations.


That was due to European colonialization, but as far as I know, not due to European Religion.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Scholencia wrote:By spreading western culture. Before the arrival of the Europeans in America, Asia, Africa etc. That places were without technology, science, infrastrukture, road... When colonisation started they made thoose countries to decent nations.


That was due to European colonialization, but as far as I know, not due to European Religion.

and after Europeans colonized they set up churchs XD
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Postby Scholencia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Scholencia wrote:By spreading western culture. Before the arrival of the Europeans in America, Asia, Africa etc. That places were without technology, science, infrastrukture, road... When colonisation started they made thoose countries to decent nations.


That was due to European colonialization, but as far as I know, not due to European Religion.

Well, Christianity is part of European culture that the colonists spread. You really cannot seprate thoose two things.

EDIT. Just because from the Christian religion the the worlds exist, makes Christianity the best religion ever to existed.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Need a name wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Thank you. I say that with sincerity.

Btw, did you have any more questions?

Not currently, but soon.


I await your inquiries.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:27 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Scholencia wrote:By spreading western culture. Before the arrival of the Europeans in America, Asia, Africa etc. That places were without technology, science, infrastrukture, road... When colonisation started they made thoose countries to decent nations.


That was due to European colonialization, but as far as I know, not due to European Religion.



Two words. Spanish Missions. Okay now I'm really going.

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:27 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
That was due to European colonialization, but as far as I know, not due to European Religion.

Well, Christianity is part of European culture that the colonists spread. You really cannot seprate thoose two things.


You've got a point. But it wasn't solely due to European religion. The original question was, What technological or social advancements have been achieved by religion itself.
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Postby Madredia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:31 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Scholencia wrote:Well, Christianity is part of European culture that the colonists spread. You really cannot seprate thoose two things.


You've got a point. But it wasn't solely due to European religion. The original question was, What technological or social advancements have been achieved by religion itself.


Well I'm sure if you asked Isaac Newton, he would attribute his work to his God and faith. However thats besides the point. Its more the way we say the United States is responsible for many innovations, because its citizens have accomplished them. Christendom was sort of a domain at the time, and the same logic could by applied there.

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