Christian Discussion Thread II

[Tarsonis Survivors]

But the Evidence IS true. Under normal circumstances, and by our knowledge of science and biology, such a thing could not happen At that time. That's why it's a miracle, and not just another Tuesday.

No, the evidence is false. If it was true the evidence would be able to be verified.

Evidence that human's cannot reproduce A-sexually under normal means? No that's pretty fucking true.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Freedom of expression. Not all religious children can afford private education. Aren't you liberals for equality of opportunity and all that garbage?

I never said anything about them having to go to private school. They are free to discuss their religion at their church and their home.

Supreme court says students are allowed to discuss it in school, because it's individual expression, Teachers can't be involved cause that can be construed as state employees influencing religion.

[Vazdania]

Freedom of expression. Not all religious children can afford private education. Aren't you liberals for equality of opportunity and all that garbage?

I never said anything about them having to go to private school. They are free to discuss their religion at their church and their home.

and at school <Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District (1969)>

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Students should be allowed to practice and speak about their religion within schools.

Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.

I have no need to hear about your Atheistic ways, yet here you are.

[Dyakovo]

I never said anything about them having to go to private school. They are free to discuss their religion at their church and their home.

Supreme court says students are allowed to discuss it in school, because it's individual expression, Teachers can't be involved cause that can be construed as state employees influencing religion.

And I disagree with SCotUS.

[Madredia]

Students should be allowed to practice and speak about their religion within schools.

Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.

Thats kind of hypocritical. You don't ban kids from talking about Santa or the Easter Bunny at school. If you believe religion is truly just as mythical, then why can't it also be spoken about?

[Vazdania]

Supreme court says students are allowed to discuss it in school, because it's individual expression, Teachers can't be involved cause that can be construed as state employees influencing religion.

And I disagree with SCotUS.

Nobody cares about your opinions. This is nationstates.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Supreme court says students are allowed to discuss it in school, because it's individual expression, Teachers can't be involved cause that can be construed as state employees influencing religion.

And I disagree with SCotUS.

In the words of Sean Hannity "YOU HATE AMERICA!"

[Madredia]

Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.

I have no need to hear about your Atheistic ways, yet here you are.

Love it.

[Dyakovo]

Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.

I have no need to hear about your Atheistic ways, yet here you are.

There's no separation of church and forum.
But yes, I realize most theists are very uncomfortable with having their beliefs challenged.

[Dyakovo]

Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.

Thats kind of hypocritical. You don't ban kids from talking about Santa or the Easter Bunny at school. If you believe religion is truly just as mythical, then why can't it also be spoken about?

I'm in favor of that not being allowed either.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I have no need to hear about your Atheistic ways, yet here you are.

There's no separation of church and forum.
But yes, I realize most theists are very uncomfortable with having their beliefs challenged.

I'm not uncomfortable, I just don't care. You won't shake my faith, I engage you cause I enjoy verbal swashbuckling.

But the Schoolyard is very much a forum. And as long as it doesn't cause a disruption, students are allowed to pray in school, or share their faith, or not. And that's all kids of all religions, and-non religions.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Thats kind of hypocritical. You don't ban kids from talking about Santa or the Easter Bunny at school. If you believe religion is truly just as mythical, then why can't it also be spoken about?

I'm in favor of that not being allowed either.

Freedom from religion does not exist. People are entitle to free exercise, not abridged by the state, they are not entitled to insulate themselves from religion in the public.

[Madredia]

I have no need to hear about your Atheistic ways, yet here you are.

There's no separation of church and forum.
But yes, I realize most theists are very uncomfortable with having their beliefs challenged.

School children are not the property of the state, neither are they its employees. The school itself, and the teachers are, but the students are not. Their right to talk about their religion IS, therefore, not in violation of the Separation of Church and State. The teachers can't because they represent the state, but the students can.

[Dyakovo]

There's no separation of church and forum.
But yes, I realize most theists are very uncomfortable with having their beliefs challenged.

I'm not uncomfortable, I just don't care. You won't shake my faith, I engage you cause I enjoy verbal swashbuckling.

But the Schoolyard is very much a forum. And as long as it doesn't cause a disruption, students are allowed to pray in school, or share their faith, or not. And that's all kids of all religions, and-non religions.

I'm amused that you think I'm trying to shake your faith. I'm trying to encourage everyone to think about their beliefs.

[Dyakovo]

I'm in favor of that not being allowed either.

Freedom from religion does not exist..

Wrong.

[Madredia]

Freedom from religion does not exist..

Wrong.

Actually he's right. There is no such thing as the right to not hear something. You have the right to associate with others, and you have the right to insulate yourself, but you don't have the right to demand that others insulate themselves while associating with you.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Wrong.

Actually he's right. There is no such thing as the right to not hear something. You have the right to associate with others, and you have the right to insulate yourself, but you don't have the right to demand that others insulate themselves while associating with you.

You have the right to not have religion forced down your throat in a school, or a courthouse, or in any other manner by the government.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Freedom from religion does not exist..

Wrong.

Don't crop my quotes. Especially when what you crop removes my explanation. That's against the rules.


It's not wrong. "Freedom From religion" is not in the Constitution.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

It does not prohibit religion in the public square, it expressly permits it. The state cannot prohibit the free exercise of. You do not have a right to insulate yourself from other peoples religion in the public square. In no way is the state infringing on your right to not believe in God. In fact establishing a "freedom from religion" would be in violation of the First Amendment.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Actually he's right. There is no such thing as the right to not hear something. You have the right to associate with others, and you have the right to insulate yourself, but you don't have the right to demand that others insulate themselves while associating with you.

You have the right to not have religion forced down your throat in a school, or a courthouse, or in any other manner by the government.

We;re not talking about government, we're talking about student's rights.

[Dyakovo]

Wrong.

It's not wrong. "Freedom From religion" is not in the Constitution.

Actually, it is. Freedom from religion is an integral part of freedom of religion.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

It's not wrong. "Freedom From religion" is not in the Constitution.

Actually, it is. Freedom from religion is an integral part of freedom of religion.

I've told you twice now, stop cropping my arguments out of my quotes. It's against the rules.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

It's not wrong. "Freedom From religion" is not in the Constitution.

Actually, it is. Freedom from religion is an integral part of freedom of religion.

No, it's not. Freedom of Religion protects you from State and the State only, it doesn't protect you from individuals, who don't represent the state, from bombarding you with their own religion.

[Dyakovo]

Actually, it is. Freedom from religion is an integral part of freedom of religion.

I've told you twice now, stop cropping my arguments out of my quotes. It's against the rules.

No, it really isn't. There's no rule which requires me to respond to more of your post than I choose to.
But, feel free to report me if you think I'm breaking the rules.

[Madredia]

It's not wrong. "Freedom From religion" is not in the Constitution.

Actually, it is. Freedom from religion is an integral part of freedom of religion.

Once again you're cropping his quotes. Freedom of Religion guarantees you the right of free exercise of religion, and declares that Congress will make no law respecting a religious establishment. Students aren't frigging Congress and they're not lawmakers. So tell me how their sharing of faith which is their constitutional right in any way infringes on yours.