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What denomination are you?

Catholic,
261
30%
Mormon,
13
1%
Anglican,
38
4%
Orthodox,
54
6%
Baptist,
112
13%
Lutheran,
51
6%
Society of Friends,
8
1%
Episcopal,
27
3%
Mystic,
21
2%
Other
294
33%
 
Total votes : 879

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:38 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Madredia wrote:
Pardon? I don't get what you mean.


That religion belongs in places of worship and as a private belief.

Please read the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution.
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Tarsonis Survivors
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:39 pm

Try a bull

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The Holy Michigan Empire
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Postby The Holy Michigan Empire » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:41 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Try a bull


I believe that summons a pre-built wooden european shelf.

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Neo Rome Republic
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:44 pm

Vazdania wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
That religion belongs in places of worship and as a private belief.

Please read the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

I know what it says. I was merely stating my opinion, on what I thought, about the popular perception that religion, should remain private.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:45 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Please read the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

I know what it said. I was merely stating my opinion, on what I thought about, the popular perception that religion, should remain private.

it should be as public as much as people want it to be.
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Neo Rome Republic
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

I know what it said. I was merely stating my opinion, on what I thought about, the popular perception that religion, should remain private.

it should be as public as much as people want it to be.


Let's not discuss this here a thread should be created to discuss this.
Problem is: I don't know how to make a thread.
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:01 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Vazdania wrote:it should be as public as much as people want it to be.


Let's not discuss this here a thread should be created to discuss this.
Problem is: I don't know how to make a thread.

go to the NSG page, at top left where it says New Topic. Fill in a title in the Subject line and write your OP.

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The Holy Michigan Empire
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Postby The Holy Michigan Empire » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:01 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Vazdania wrote:it should be as public as much as people want it to be.


Let's not discuss this here a thread should be created to discuss this.
Problem is: I don't know how to make a thread.

There is a make thread button somewhere.

Looks hard enough and you will find it.

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Madredia
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Postby Madredia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:03 pm

The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Let's not discuss this here a thread should be created to discuss this.
Problem is: I don't know how to make a thread.

There is a make thread button somewhere.

Looks hard enough and you will find it.


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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:04 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Let's not discuss this here a thread should be created to discuss this.
Problem is: I don't know how to make a thread.

go to the NSG page, at top left where it says New Topic. Fill in a title in the Subject line and write your OP.


Okay, thank you.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:06 pm

Vazdania wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment

I know what it said. I was merely stating my opinion, on what I thought about, the popular perception that religion, should remain private.

it should be as public as much as people want it to be.


Yes, it should be allowed to be public, but keep it out of schools and science. If ya do that, we have no problem.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:08 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Vazdania wrote:it should be as public as much as people want it to be.


Yes, it should be allowed to be public, but keep it out of schools and science. If ya do that, we have no problem.

Students should be allowed to practice and speak about their religion within schools.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Yes, it should be allowed to be public, but keep it out of schools and science. If ya do that, we have no problem.

Students should be allowed to practice and speak about their religion within schools.


If they're public schools, no they shouldn't. Seperation of Church and State. Even then, what about those who are a different religion?What about those with no religion? Schools shouldn't be a place for converting others' to your faith. Churches and Temples and such can handle that.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:11 pm

Vazdania wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
That religion belongs in places of worship and as a private belief.

Please read the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Coming from someone who favors a theocracy....
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:11 pm

Thread made: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=251890#p15498104
For those who want to discuss church and state
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Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:11 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Wouldn't ''getting some'' from the wholly spirit count as intercourse? Also, it is still impossible for something non-human to get a human pregnant. I believe the evidence to be true until proven false.



But the Evidence IS true. Under normal circumstances, and by our knowledge of science and biology, such a thing could not happen At that time. That's why it's a miracle, and not just another Tuesday.

No, the evidence is false. If it was true the evidence would be able to be verified.
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:13 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Students should be allowed to practice and speak about their religion within schools.


If they're public schools, no they shouldn't. Separation of Church and State. Even then, what about those who are a different religion?What about those with no religion? Schools shouldn't be a place for converting others' to your faith. Churches and Temples and such can handle that.

Yes they should if they are in Schools. The separation of Church and state only applies to a school promoting religion, as it is publicly funded. A student has the right to speak and practice freely within schools. Those with different religions may freely speak about their own religion and those with none may freely speak about theirs. The teachers, administration, and school itself should remain neutral on the issue.
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They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
If they're public schools, no they shouldn't. Separation of Church and State. Even then, what about those who are a different religion?What about those with no religion? Schools shouldn't be a place for converting others' to your faith. Churches and Temples and such can handle that.

Yes they should if they are in Schools. The separation of Church and state only applies to a school promoting religion, as it is publicly funded. A student has the right to speak and practice freely within schools. Those with different religions may freely speak about their own religion and those with none may freely speak about theirs. The teachers, administration, and school itself should remain neutral on the issue.


And having students going into a place of education and preaching whatever they feel like undermines the whole point of education. If you want to convert others' take them to a church, not a school.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:16 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Wouldn't ''getting some'' from the wholly spirit count as intercourse? Also, it is still impossible for something non-human to get a human pregnant. I believe the evidence to be true until proven false.



But the Evidence IS true. Under normal circumstances, and by our knowledge of science and biology, such a thing could not happen At that time. That's why it's a miracle, and not just another Tuesday.

But then you have to consider something - if it was a miracle, then you're making an assumption. So is it more likely that a virgin gave birth to the son of a deity (with no evidence to support its existence) or that it was made up, or some woman lied?
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:18 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Yes they should if they are in Schools. The separation of Church and state only applies to a school promoting religion, as it is publicly funded. A student has the right to speak and practice freely within schools. Those with different religions may freely speak about their own religion and those with none may freely speak about theirs. The teachers, administration, and school itself should remain neutral on the issue.


And having students going into a place of education and preaching whatever they feel like undermines the whole point of education. If you want to convert others' take them to a church, not a school.

Freedom of Speech includes schools. Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District (1969)
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Postby Madredia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
If they're public schools, no they shouldn't. Separation of Church and State. Even then, what about those who are a different religion?What about those with no religion? Schools shouldn't be a place for converting others' to your faith. Churches and Temples and such can handle that.

Yes they should if they are in Schools. The separation of Church and state only applies to a school promoting religion, as it is publicly funded. A student has the right to speak and practice freely within schools. Those with different religions may freely speak about their own religion and those with none may freely speak about theirs. The teachers, administration, and school itself should remain neutral on the issue.


We have a winner.

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:22 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Yes, it should be allowed to be public, but keep it out of schools and science. If ya do that, we have no problem.

Students should be allowed to practice and speak about their religion within schools.

Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:22 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
And having students going into a place of education and preaching whatever they feel like undermines the whole point of education. If you want to convert others' take them to a church, not a school.

Freedom of Speech includes schools. Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District (1969)


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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:24 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Students should be allowed to practice and speak about their religion within schools.

Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.

Freedom of expression. Not all religious children can afford private education. :roll: Aren't you liberals for equality of opportunity and all that garbage?
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:27 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Why. The religious children have church for that and the non-religious children have no need to hear about other's imaginary friends.

Freedom of expression. Not all religious children can afford private education. :roll: Aren't you liberals for equality of opportunity and all that garbage?

I never said anything about them having to go to private school. They are free to discuss their religion at their church and their home.
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