Christian Discussion Thread II

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Liberalism is the doctrine: Ancient folks were stupid, they never knew that Virgin Birth is impossible.

Anglicanism is the doctrine: Ancient folks already knew that Virgin Birth is impossible, so they were impressed when this impossible thing happened and called it a miracle.

Liberalism is the doctrine: Apostles went around preaching "Worship Jesus, he was Virgin-born." Ancient folks replied "So what? Virgin Birth happens all the time."

This isn't a liberal vs conservative thread.

Liberalism int the same as Liberal affiliation.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

This isn't a liberal vs conservative thread.

Liberalism int the same as Liberal affiliation.

Point taken.

[Neo Rome Republic]

You admit it is unlikely under ''normal circumstances'' but aren't you making a goal post by saying it's possible simply because it's a miracle?

No, because a miracle isn't a NORMAL circumstance, by definition it requires some sort of Divine intervention which is not the natural norm.

Agreed I've already said, I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence.

Look I get you don't believe in miracles, that's fine. But since you don't and I do, this conversation is becoming pointless.

Agreed. I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence. The problem is this ''miracle'' make a biological claim that without man sperm or natural means a birth can happen. That enters the realm of science, so by default requires, scientific evidence for me to believe.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

No, because a miracle isn't a NORMAL circumstance, by definition it requires some sort of Divine intervention which is not the natural norm.

Agreed I've already said, I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence.

Look I get you don't believe in miracles, that's fine. But since you don't and I do, this conversation is becoming pointless.

Agreed. I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence. The problem is this ''miracle'' make a biological claim that without man sperm or natural means a birth can happen. That enters the realm of science, so by default requires, scientific evidence for me to believe.

And that's a fundamental problem with applying science to religion, science doesn't deal with truth, it deals with perceived truth.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Agreed. I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence. The problem is this ''miracle'' make a biological claim that without man sperm or natural means a birth can happen. That enters the realm of science, so by default requires, scientific evidence for me to believe.

And that's a fundamental problem with applying science to religion, science doesn't deal with truth, it deals with perceived truth.

And religion, deals with no truth.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

No, because a miracle isn't a NORMAL circumstance, by definition it requires some sort of Divine intervention which is not the natural norm.

Agreed I've already said, I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence.

Look I get you don't believe in miracles, that's fine. But since you don't and I do, this conversation is becoming pointless.

Agreed. I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence. The problem is this ''miracle'' make a biological claim that without man sperm or natural means a birth can happen. That enters the realm of science, so by default requires, scientific evidence for me to believe.

It's kind of hard to find a historical record of a carpenter and his wife having a pit stop in small hut to give birth to the son of the everliving god, nor do I think even with a record it would be hard to get such data from 2000 years ago.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

And that's a fundamental problem with applying science to religion, science doesn't deal with truth, it deals with perceived truth.

And religion, deals with no truth.

It deals with divine truth. But no one can agree on what that truth is.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

And that's a fundamental problem with applying science to religion, science doesn't deal with truth, it deals with perceived truth.

And religion, deals with no truth.

Can't we just be honest and say we all deal in what everyone perceives as the truth.

The only think humanity can agree on is that Mr. Jenkins was killed with a Candlestick in the Kitchen by Colonel Mustard.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Agreed. I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence. The problem is this ''miracle'' make a biological claim that without man sperm or natural means a birth can happen. That enters the realm of science, so by default requires, scientific evidence for me to believe.

It's kind of hard to find a historical record of a carpenter and his wife having a pit stop in small hut to give birth to the son of the everliving god, nor do I think even with a record it would be hard to get such data from 2000 years ago.

Can you now see why some of us find it so UNbelieveable.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Agreed. I won't believe a virgin birth is possible without empirical evidence. The problem is this ''miracle'' make a biological claim that without man sperm or natural means a birth can happen. That enters the realm of science, so by default requires, scientific evidence for me to believe.

It's kind of hard to find a historical record of a carpenter and his wife having a pit stop in small hut to give birth to the son of the everliving god, nor do I think even with a record it would be hard to get such data from 2000 years ago.

That's because Richard Dawkins has the Inn's records hidden in his basement.

[Neo Rome Republic]

It's kind of hard to find a historical record of a carpenter and his wife having a pit stop in small hut to give birth to the son of the everliving god, nor do I think even with a record it would be hard to get such data from 2000 years ago.

That's because Richard Dawkins has the Inn's records hidden in his basement.

I thought the Catholic Church hid them in their alter boys

[Tarsonis Survivors]

It's kind of hard to find a historical record of a carpenter and his wife having a pit stop in small hut to give birth to the son of the everliving god, nor do I think even with a record it would be hard to get such data from 2000 years ago.

Can you now see why some of us find it so UNbelieveable.

No one ever said we didn't see. I actually commented on how I find "raised in the faith" Christians inability to comprehend this so fucking annoying.

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

It's kind of hard to find a historical record of a carpenter and his wife having a pit stop in small hut to give birth to the son of the everliving god, nor do I think even with a record it would be hard to get such data from 2000 years ago.

That's because Richard Dawkins has the Inn's records hidden in his basement.

Heck.

Freaking Marxist warlocks and their demon atheist overlords.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

That's because Richard Dawkins has the Inn's records hidden in his basement.

I thought the Catholic Church hid them in their alter boys

No, the holy spirit came upon them. Da dum chish


I'm sorry Catholics, it was too easy.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I thought the Catholic Church hid them in their alter boys

No, the holy spirit came upon them. Da dum chish


I'm sorry Catholics, it was too easy.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Can you now see why some of us find it so UNbelieveable.

No one ever said we didn't see. I actually commented on how I find "raised in the faith" Christians inability to comprehend this so fucking annoying.

I wasn't raised in faith(well I was baptized but taught no actual doctrines only to be a good person). I only set foot in a church three times in my entire life.It wasn't even in the country I live in. Heck, we didn't have a bible until I requested my parents buy me one.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Anyway, to make the point, I don't have a problem with Atheists. If you don't feel compelled to believe, fine go ahead, I won't judge you. I just ask the same consideration in return.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Anyway, to make the point, I don't have a problem with Atheists. If you don't feel compelled to believe, fine go ahead, I won't judge you. I just ask the same consideration in return.

My problem stemmed from it's influence in US politics and creationism.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

No one ever said we didn't see. I actually commented on how I find "raised in the faith" Christians inability to comprehend this so fucking annoying.

I wasn't raised in faith(well I was baptized but taught no actual doctrines only to be a good person). I only set foot in a church three times in my entire life.It wasn't even in the country I live in. Heck, we didn't have a bible until I requested my parents buy me one.

Well going back to the science thing. Well never know scientifically if the Virgin Birth happened or not, as it happened 2000 years ago, and such evidence is beyond retrievable. Thus, the ever reoccuring theme of religion, it must be taken on faith.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Anyway, to make the point, I don't have a problem with Atheists. If you don't feel compelled to believe, fine go ahead, I won't judge you. I just ask the same consideration in return.

My problem stemmed from it's influence in US politics and creationism.

Well, that's not just a US problem, that's been a recurring theme since the birth of humanity.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I wasn't raised in faith(well I was baptized but taught no actual doctrines only to be a good person). I only set foot in a church three times in my entire life.It wasn't even in the country I live in. Heck, we didn't have a bible until I requested my parents buy me one.

Well going back to the science thing. Well never know scientifically if the Virgin Birth happened or not, as it happened 2000 years ago, and such evidence is beyond retrievable. Thus, the ever reoccuring theme of religion, it must be taken on faith.

I consider taking things as fact on faith alone to be unacceptable. So, I don't do so.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Well going back to the science thing. Well never know scientifically if the Virgin Birth happened or not, as it happened 2000 years ago, and such evidence is beyond retrievable. Thus, the ever reoccuring theme of religion, it must be taken on faith.

I consider taking things as fact on faith alone to be unacceptable. So, I don't do so.

It's not quite as simple as that, but okay.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

On a side note, I just wanna say, the Muslims have a way more badass origin study than the Jews.

[Neo Rome Republic]

On a side note, I just wanna say, the Muslims have a way more badass origin study than the Jews.

You could say they had an ''explosive'' start

[Czechanada]

On a side note, I just wanna say, the Muslims have a way more badass origin study than the Jews.

What's an origin study?