Christian Discussion Thread II

[Neo Rome Republic]

So is this where we discuss differences between denominations of Christianity or whether Christianity exists?

Both can apply to the discussion.

[Galborg]

Okay, but like I said POV. If you believe that God created the universe, he thus has power over the universe and can rearrange matter at the scientific matter at the subatomic level to tun an egg into a zygote thus fertilizing a Virgin.

There is no verifiable evidence to support this though.

Yes there is. Mithras was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; Horus was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; it's union rules. All saviour gods gotta be was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice.

[Wolfmanne]

Roman Catholic reporting for duty. A bit late, but meh.

[Neo Rome Republic]

There is no verifiable evidence to support this though.

Yes there is. Mithras was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; Horus was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; it's union rules. All saviour gods gotta be was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice.

I thought Mithras was born of a rock?

[North Americans]

Um what does Mithras have to do with Christianity? Isn't that from the Greek god theology?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

There's zero verifiable evidence for the cause of gravity.

Gravity vs. virgin birth
I'm sorry but, I'm not seeing the correlation.

He's saying unverifiable evidence is worthless, while I would largely agree, depending on your point of view it isn't always true. By his knowledge there is no reason to believe gravity has a cause because there's no evidence of a cause, outside of the fact that we can see gravity's effect. There's no reason to believe a virgin birth occurred because there's no evidence it exist other than a record that it occurred. it may be biased but it still exists. And since were dealing with a thing that by and large relies on faith, I'm inclined to believe it occurred.

[The Realm of God]

Um what does Mithras have to do with Christianity? Isn't that from the Greek god theology?

He was the patron God of a Roman Military feasting club called the Mithratic Mysteries. It was quite popular in the same era as the early church and used much of the same methods of organisation.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Gravity vs. virgin birth
I'm sorry but, I'm not seeing the correlation.

He's saying unverifiable evidence is worthless, while I would largely agree, depending on your point of view it isn't always true. By his knowledge there is no reason to believe gravity has a cause because there's no evidence of a cause, outside of the fact that we can see gravity's effect. There's no reason to believe a virgin birth occurred because there's no evidence it exist other than a record that it occurred. it may be biased but it still exists. And since were dealing with a thing that by and large relies on faith, I'm inclined to believe it occurred.

I'd sorta argue that there is evidence against virgin births as opposed to a whether or not gravity has a cause.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

There is no verifiable evidence to support this though.

Yes there is. Mithras was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; Horus was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; it's union rules. All saviour gods gotta be was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice.

aslo christ was born in summer, christmas was moved to the winter solstice by the Catholic Church to make pagans easier to convert.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

He's saying unverifiable evidence is worthless, while I would largely agree, depending on your point of view it isn't always true. By his knowledge there is no reason to believe gravity has a cause because there's no evidence of a cause, outside of the fact that we can see gravity's effect. There's no reason to believe a virgin birth occurred because there's no evidence it exist other than a record that it occurred. it may be biased but it still exists. And since were dealing with a thing that by and large relies on faith, I'm inclined to believe it occurred.

I'd sorta argue that there is evidence against virgin births as opposed to a whether or not gravity has a cause.

But were talking about God's divine interaction. You're ignoring the fact it was (supposedly) a fucking miracle, and not a natural phenomenon.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I'd sorta argue that there is evidence against virgin births as opposed to a whether or not gravity has a cause.

But were talking about God's divine interaction. You're ignoring the fact it was (supposedly) a fucking miracle, and not a natural phenomenon.

You can call it whatever you want. But I'm ignoring the evidence.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

But were talking about God's divine interaction. You're ignoring the fact it was (supposedly) a fucking miracle, and not a natural phenomenon.

You can call it whatever you want, I ain't ignoring the evidence.

The fact that evidence says virgin births are impossible under normal circumstances is exactly why it's a miracle. Thus it can't be used to discredit the Virgin birth being a miracle, because it's in fact central to the point.

[Neo Rome Republic]

You can call it whatever you want, I ain't ignoring the evidence.

The fact that evidence says virgin births are impossible under normal circumstances is exactly why it's a miracle. Thus it can't be used to discredit the Virgin birth being a miracle, because it's in fact central to the point.

But that would be special pleading which is a logical fallacy. As to why I find that answer unacceptable.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The fact that evidence says virgin births are impossible under normal circumstances is exactly why it's a miracle. Thus it can't be used to discredit the Virgin birth being a miracle, because it's in fact central to the point.

But that would be special pleading which is a logical fallacy.

no I haven't moved any Goal posts. If it were scientifically probable (which it is btw, we can medically impregnate a virgin girl, who would then give birth while being a virgin) in the time period for a Virgin to conceive, it wouldn't be a miracle it would be a tuesday. Because is scientifically improbable, is what makes it a miracle, and thus noteworthy.

[Dyakovo]

So is this where we discuss differences between denominations of Christianity or whether Christianity exists?

Yes.
This is where we discuss anything relating to Christianity.

[Dyakovo]

There is no verifiable evidence to support this though.

Yes there is. Mithras was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; Horus was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice; it's union rules. All saviour gods gotta be was born of a Virgin at Winter Solstice.

You don't know what "verifiable" means, do you?

[Dyakovo]

You can call it whatever you want, I ain't ignoring the evidence.

The fact that evidence says virgin births are impossible under normal circumstances is exactly why it's a miracle. Thus it can't be used to discredit the Virgin birth being a miracle, because it's in fact central to the point.

There is no verifiable evidence that any miracle has ever happened.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The fact that evidence says virgin births are impossible under normal circumstances is exactly why it's a miracle. Thus it can't be used to discredit the Virgin birth being a miracle, because it's in fact central to the point.

There is no verifiable evidence that any miracle has ever happened.

There's no verifiable evidence, that the world is not an illusion, and that anybody exists but you. It is an illusion created by you and by arguing with me you are arguing with yourself. WAKE UP DAMNIT!

[Neo Rome Republic]

But that would be special pleading which is a logical fallacy.

no I haven't moved any Goal posts. If it were scientifically probable (which it is btw, we can medically impregnate a virgin girl, who would then give birth while being a virgin) in the time period for a Virgin to conceive, it wouldn't be a miracle it would be a tuesday. Because is scientifically improbable, is what makes it a miracle, and thus noteworthy.

Wouldn't ''getting some'' from the wholly spirit count as intercourse? Also, it is still impossible for something non-human to get a human pregnant. I believe the evidence to be true until proven false.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

no I haven't moved any Goal posts. If it were scientifically probable (which it is btw, we can medically impregnate a virgin girl, who would then give birth while being a virgin) in the time period for a Virgin to conceive, it wouldn't be a miracle it would be a tuesday. Because is scientifically improbable, is what makes it a miracle, and thus noteworthy.

Wouldn't ''getting some'' from the wholly spirit count as intercourse? Also, it is still impossible for something non-human to get a human pregnant.

Well that's actually up for debate. Mormons believe Mary got Railed. All it says is "The holy spirit will come upon you" but since the holy spirit isn't a "Physical" being, it can't fuck Mary. The idea is that God said "your pregnant" and she was, the hows and whys' are open to speculation.

And not true, In Vitro, as well as Sperm implantation, can impregnate a virgin.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

no I haven't moved any Goal posts. If it were scientifically probable (which it is btw, we can medically impregnate a virgin girl, who would then give birth while being a virgin) in the time period for a Virgin to conceive, it wouldn't be a miracle it would be a tuesday. Because is scientifically improbable, is what makes it a miracle, and thus noteworthy.

Wouldn't ''getting some'' from the wholly spirit count as intercourse? Also, it is still impossible for something non-human to get a human pregnant. I believe the evidence to be true until proven false.

But the Evidence IS true. Under normal circumstances, and by our knowledge of science and biology, such a thing could not happen At that time. That's why it's a miracle, and not just another Tuesday.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Wouldn't ''getting some'' from the wholly spirit count as intercourse? Also, it is still impossible for something non-human to get a human pregnant. I believe the evidence to be true until proven false.

But the Evidence IS true. Under normal circumstances, and by our knowledge of science and biology, such a thing could not happen At that time. That's why it's a miracle, and not just another Tuesday.

You admit it is unlikely under ''normal circumstances'' but aren't you making a goal post by saying it's possible simply because it's a miracle?

[Galborg]

Liberalism is the doctrine: Ancient folks were stupid, they never knew that Virgin Birth is impossible.

Anglicanism is the doctrine: Ancient folks already knew that Virgin Birth is impossible, so they were impressed when this impossible thing happened and called it a miracle.

Liberalism is the doctrine: Apostles went around preaching "Worship Jesus, he was Virgin-born." Ancient folks replied "So what? Virgin Birth happens all the time."

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

Liberalism is the doctrine: Ancient folks were stupid, they never knew that Virgin Birth is impossible.

Anglicanism is the doctrine: Ancient folks already knew that Virgin Birth is impossible, so they were impressed when this impossible thing happened and called it a miracle.

Liberalism is the doctrine: Apostles went around preaching "Worship Jesus, he was Virgin-born." Ancient folks replied "So what? Virgin Birth happens all the time."

This isn't a liberal vs conservative thread.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

But the Evidence IS true. Under normal circumstances, and by our knowledge of science and biology, such a thing could not happen At that time. That's why it's a miracle, and not just another Tuesday.

You admit it is unlikely under ''normal circumstances'' but aren't you making a goal post by saying it's possible simply because it's a miracle?

No, because a miracle isn't a NORMAL circumstance, by definition it requires some sort of Divine intervention which is not the natural norm.


Look I get you don't believe in miracles, that's fine. But since you don't and I do, this conversation is becoming pointless.