Christian Discussion Thread II

[Grave_n_idle]

Hail Satan!

Do all you Christians, as many I know, think that LaVeyan Satanists actually worship Satan?

All that which is not of G-d, is of the devil...and worship(s) the devil...

That's just silliness.

[Vazdania]

Yes, it is, in effect. Are you saying that a protestant will adhere to will the will of the Pope?

I think you're creating a false dichotomy - there aren't two choices, either adhere to the will of the pope or ignore him.

Most protestants don't ignore the pope - they consider him to be an active servant of satan.

active servant of satan? i don't believe many protestants do...

[Grave_n_idle]

I think you're creating a false dichotomy - there aren't two choices, either adhere to the will of the pope or ignore him.

Most protestants don't ignore the pope - they consider him to be an active servant of satan.

active servant of satan? i don't believe many protestants do...

I don't think you've attended many Protestant services, then.

[Vazdania]

active servant of satan? i don't believe many protestants do...

I don't think you've attended many Protestant services, then.

yes i have.

[Ceannairceach]

Yes, it is, in effect. Are you saying that a protestant will adhere to will the will of the Pope?

I think you're creating a false dichotomy - there aren't two choices, either adhere to the will of the pope or ignore him.

Most protestants don't ignore the pope - they consider him to be an active servant of satan.

Heh, that's one way to put it.

[The God-Realm]

They do

Hail Satan!

Do all you Christians, as many I know, think that LaVeyan Satanists actually worship Satan?

They dont.

Anyway they are not true Satanists, Luciferians are.

[Ceannairceach]

Hail Satan!

Do all you Christians, as many I know, think that LaVeyan Satanists actually worship Satan?

All that which is not of G-d, is of the devil...and worship(s) the devil...

Oh. Awesome! Thanks for justifying my atheistic Luciferianism!

[Rationallia]

I think I've asked this question before, but I've never really gotten an answer.

What exactly separates the Orthodox sects from the rest of the Christian sects? What in their doctrine is different? And what separates the individual Orthodox sects?

Oh lord, that complex issue...

To give what I think is a mostly accurate, short answer, the Orthodox sect of the Christian faith invests power in the Patriarch of Constantinople and the various other patriarchs, while the Catholics invest their power in the Pope, or the Patriarch of Rome. And then there's the protestants, who ignore both.

Vazdania is right in saying that they aren't ignored. Yes the pope or similar religious is person is no different then you or I but think of Archbishops for example. They are of worth to the church in an administrative/educational way but are still not considered any holier or non-human then anyone else. They aren't ignored but aren't put up as high as Catholic's would put the pope.

[Ceannairceach]

They do

Hail Satan!

Do all you Christians, as many I know, think that LaVeyan Satanists actually worship Satan?

They dont.

Anyway they are not true Satanists, Luciferians are.

Define "true Satanists." I am a Luciferian, for example, but also an atheist.

[Vazdania]

All that which is not of G-d, is of the devil...and worship(s) the devil...

Oh. Awesome! Thanks for justifying my atheistic Luciferianism!

youre..uhm...welcome?

[The God-Realm]

They do
They dont.

Anyway they are not true Satanists, Luciferians are.

Define "true Satanists." I am a Luciferian, for example, but also an atheist.

Those who did not label me a heretic.

Well, kidding. LaVey was a good guy but the church has devolved to the edgy club.

[Ceannairceach]

Oh. Awesome! Thanks for justifying my atheistic Luciferianism!

youre..uhm...welcome?

Well, consider this. Specific shit allegedly came from god. That means that literally everything else comes from Lucifer. Which is just awesome.

Thanks, Lou, for all the fornication and great, great drugs!

[Vazdania]

youre..uhm...welcome?

Well, consider this. Specific shit allegedly came from god. That means that literally everything else comes from Lucifer. Which is just awesome.

Thanks, Lou, for all the fornication and great, great drugs!

Lucifer has no creation power it does not come from the devil, it is of the devil.

[Farnhamia]

I think I've asked this question before, but I've never really gotten an answer.

What exactly separates the Orthodox sects from the rest of the Christian sects? What in their doctrine is different? And what separates the individual Orthodox sects?

Oh lord, that complex issue...

To give what I think is a mostly accurate, short answer, the Orthodox sect of the Christian faith invests power in the Patriarch of Constantinople and the various other patriarchs, while the Catholics invest their power in the Pope, or the Patriarch of Rome. And then there's the protestants, who ignore both.

And Filioque ...

[Ceannairceach]

Oh lord, that complex issue...

To give what I think is a mostly accurate, short answer, the Orthodox sect of the Christian faith invests power in the Patriarch of Constantinople and the various other patriarchs, while the Catholics invest their power in the Pope, or the Patriarch of Rome. And then there's the protestants, who ignore both.

And Filioque ...

Obviously there's a lot more to it than my half-assed explanation.

[Farnhamia]

Define "true Satanists." I am a Luciferian, for example, but also an atheist.

Those who did not label me a heretic.

Well, kidding. LaVey was a good guy but the church has devolved to the edgy club.

LaVey began presenting Friday night lectures on the occult and rituals. A member of this circle suggested that he had the basis for a new religion. On Walpurgisnacht, April 30, 1966, he ritualistically shaved his head, allegedly "in the tradition of ancient executioners", declared the founding of the Church of Satan and proclaimed 1966 as "the year one", Anno Satanas—the first year of the Age of Satan. Media attention followed the subsequent Satanic wedding ceremony of Radical journalist John Raymond to New York City socialite Judith Case on February 1, 1967. The Los Angeles Times and San Francisco Chronicle were among the newspapers that printed articles dubbing him "The Black Pope". LaVey performed Satanic baptisms (including the first Satanic baptism in history for Zeena, which garnered world-wide publicity and was originally recorded on The Satanic Mass LP)[13][14][15][16] and Satanic funerals (including one for naval machinist-repairman third-class Edward Olsen, complete with a chrome-helmeted honor guard), and released a record album entitled The Satanic Mass.

In the late 1960s and early 1970s, LaVey melded ideological influences from Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand,[17] H.L. Mencken, and Jack London with the ideology and ritual practices of the Church of Satan. He wrote essays introduced with reworked excerpts from Ragnar Redbeard’s Might is Right and concluded with “Satanized” versions of John Dee’s Enochian Keys to create books such as The Complete Witch (re-released in 1989 as The Satanic Witch), and The Satanic Rituals. The latter book also included rituals drawing on the work of H.P. Lovecraft which were actually penned by Michael A. Aquino who would later found the Temple of Set.

Due to increasing visibility through his books, LaVey was the subject of numerous articles in the news media throughout the world, including popular magazines such as Look, McCall's, Newsweek, and TIME, and men’s magazines. He also appeared on talk shows such as Joe Pyne, Phil Donahue, and Johnny Carson, and in a feature length documentary called Satanis: The Devil's Mass in 1970.

[Ceannairceach]

Well, consider this. Specific shit allegedly came from god. That means that literally everything else comes from Lucifer. Which is just awesome.

Thanks, Lou, for all the fornication and great, great drugs!

Lucifer has no creation power it does not come from the devil, it is of the devil.

Yeah, yeah, same thing.

He game me free will, and for that I am thankful.

[Farnhamia]

And Filioque ...

Obviously there's a lot more to it than my half-assed explanation.

Just throwing in some more detail. Now it's 3/4-assed.

[Vazdania]

Lucifer has no creation power it does not come from the devil, it is of the devil.

Yeah, yeah, same thing.

He game me free will, and for that I am thankful.

You would have had free will in the first place?

[Ceannairceach]

Obviously there's a lot more to it than my half-assed explanation.

Just throwing in some more detail. Now it's 3/4-assed.

Maybe we can trow in something about the Pentarchy and make it 7/8-assed.

[Farnhamia]

Just throwing in some more detail. Now it's 3/4-assed.

Maybe we can trow in something about the Pentarchy and make it 7/8-assed.

Too bad Arch is busy with Easter this weekend.

[Vazdania]

Just throwing in some more detail. Now it's 3/4-assed.

Maybe we can trow in something about the Pentarchy and make it 7/8-assed.

does that mean a quarter of 1 butt cheek is missing?

[Farnhamia]

Maybe we can trow in something about the Pentarchy and make it 7/8-assed.

does that mean a quarter of 1 butt cheek is missing?

http://www.literature.org/authors/volta ... er-11.html

[Ceannairceach]

Yeah, yeah, same thing.

He game me free will, and for that I am thankful.

You would have had free will in the first place?

I don't think you get the joke.

[Cill Airne]

As a suggestion for the poll, I do believe it should be Anglican/Episcopal, in the US (where the majority of NSers are from) the majority of "anglicans" are not Episcopal (and there are also those that identify as Anglican).

Episcopalianism is in a strange relationship with the Anglican Communion, ain't it?

No, I don't believe so. While the Episcopal Church is obviously separate from the Church of England it is part of the Anglican Communion. Its relationship is no different than the the Church of Ireland or the Scottish Episcopal churches.

Now the relationship between the "Anglican" churches in the US and the Anglican communion is an interesting one.