Should the British monarchy be abolished?

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

Obviously, because on some issues the people know absolutely everything they need to know, and should be wholly trusted to make the correct decisions. There needs to be some form of safeguard.

and Hereditary rule was the best they could come up with?

It seems to work, why bother fixing something that ain't broken, y'know?

[Distruzio]

Far from democratic, you mean. Democracy doesn't equal libertarian.

Conservative.
Traditionalist.
Segregationist. (Even if voluntary)
That's anything but libertarian.

Scotsmen bare nor weight with me.

[The Godly Nations]

Yes, and that nationality happens to be British. Rule Britannia.

No, that nationality happens to be Welsh.

And where, pray, is Wales? In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland- specifically in the Great Britain bit, so, there's the geography factor going against you already.

[Pesda]

You were accusing me of wanting to force a republic on Enlgand. I wan't doing that. I was advocating a republic for Wales.

No, I'm accusing you of being inconsistent, bashing the monarchy and saying how it was unjust while at the same time saying that we should just break up. You cleared up your position now, and I am just saying that if you want to foist something that most welsh do not want, and if you are dissatisified with most Welsh folks do want, then move somewhere else.

Or, you know, disagree with the majority.

[The Godly Nations]

She owns her house.

Yes, but she shouldn't, because she didn't pay for it.

You don't own your genes because you didn't pay for it, give it back to your mother and father, will you?

[Machtergreifung]

Of course.

if the Royal family vanished we would lose a lot of our uniqueness

Just like, France is a generic European country because they chopped up the royals?

Of course.

Well, who'd want to see an empty palace?

Plenty of people, see Versailles

Plus the fact we can't afford it.

The only reason Britian even has armed forces on the scale it does is because we like to delude ourselves into thinking we have the same world geo-political clout we used to.

The truth is we don't - a minor power with a poor military came within a whisker to resoundly beating Britain in the Falklands.

Mmmm we won in the Falklands lol. Also may i remind you the falklands is like 10,000 miles away from us. Like 50 miles from argentina. It is a difficult war to manage. Anyway we are still a huge power, not the biggest but still big

Britain won in the end, but it's the Boer War all over again - a weak and underfunded military force gave Britain a severe showing up.

We're a minor military power. A passable naval and air force because the American's needed us to be a speed-bump for the Red Army, and the army is stretched thin by a battered insurgency half a world away.

As a Brit I have more of a problem with an unelected house of Lords than the royal family. On ideological grounds I want to remove the royal family, but on a practical basis I think we should just put a larger load of tax on them and cut all ceremonial powers from them; there only job then would be to go off to foreign countries as a diplomatic tool.

But everyone loves the ceremonies. Also they pay the same tax as normal Brits, why should they be the only ones to pay more. Also house of lords is in some ways elected. It has experts in it opposed to crap politicians. For example Lord Alan Sugar

So, a buisnessman can how make a decision to chop and change laws about schools, based on his experiances as a buisnessman? Blair didn't go far enough when he weeded out the hereidtary lords, he should have abolished the whole corrupt system.

[Birolika]

As a Brit I have more of a problem with an unelected house of Lords than the royal family. On ideological grounds I want to remove the royal family, but on a practical basis I think we should just put a larger load of tax on them and cut all ceremonial powers from them; there only job then would be to go off to foreign countries as a diplomatic tool.

But everyone loves the ceremonies. Also they pay the same tax as normal Brits, why should they be the only ones to pay more. Also house of lords is in some ways elected. It has experts in it opposed to crap politicians. For example Lord Alan Sugar

By ceremonial BTW I meant that the Queen technically has the power to refuse to pass laws, royal weddings and stuff are a great method of trying to revitalise the economy so you know...
And with the house of lords 92 members inherit their seats, 26 due to their role in the church and the rest are appointed by the Queen (although in reality they are appointed by the Prime Minister). So none of them are really elected. Furthermore there are other ways to get experts in, for example we could require that they didn't just go through Politics in uni and then onto Politics itself like the Tory Oxbridge bunch or perhaps something slightly more formal and less angry sounding.

[Pesda]

I think that basic law is wrong. She did not pay for her house.

She owns her house.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/FrequentlyAsked ... tions.aspx

"Occupied Royal Palaces, such as Buckingham Palace, are not the private property of The Queen....The Queen privately owns two properties, Balmoral Castle and Sandringham House, which are not publicly funded."

[The Godly Nations]

She owns her house.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/FrequentlyAsked ... tions.aspx

"Occupied Royal Palaces, such as Buckingham Palace, are not the private property of The Queen....The Queen privately owns two properties, Balmoral Castle and Sandringham House, which are not publicly funded."

She owns two properties privately, she owns Buckingham in her function as the Queen, what is your point? She still owns the Castle.

[Nova Imperius]

if the Royal family vanished we would lose a lot of our uniqueness

Just like, France is a generic European country because they chopped up the royals?

Well, who'd want to see an empty palace?

Plenty of people, see Versailles

Mmmm we won in the Falklands lol. Also may i remind you the falklands is like 10,000 miles away from us. Like 50 miles from argentina. It is a difficult war to manage. Anyway we are still a huge power, not the biggest but still big

Britain won in the end, but it's the Boer War all over again - a weak and underfunded military force gave Britain a severe showing up.

We're a minor military power. A passable naval and air force because the American's needed us to be a speed-bump for the Red Army, and the army is stretched thin by a battered insurgency half a world away.

But everyone loves the ceremonies. Also they pay the same tax as normal Brits, why should they be the only ones to pay more. Also house of lords is in some ways elected. It has experts in it opposed to crap politicians. For example Lord Alan Sugar

So, a buisnessman can how make a decision to chop and change laws about schools, based on his experiances as a buisnessman? Blair didn't go far enough when he weeded out the hereidtary lords, he should have abolished the whole corrupt system.

Our nation haas lasted centuries on that system, and now we sit near the top of countries in the world. London is regarded as the world capital, we control huge sections of the financial market, we are one of only 7 nuclear nations, we still are way above average on military size with 450,000 troops.

[Pesda]

No, that nationality happens to be Welsh.

And where, pray, is Wales? In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland- specifically in the Great Britain bit, so, there's the geography factor going against you already.

And where, pray, is Germany? In Europe?
Wales being on an island doesn't stop Welsh being a nationality.

[The UK in Exile]

and Hereditary rule was the best they could come up with?

It seems to work, why bother fixing something that ain't broken, y'know?

does it? please name a time when the queen safeguarded the british political system against, well... anyone.

[The Godly Nations]

if the Royal family vanished we would lose a lot of our uniqueness

Just like, France is a generic European country because they chopped up the royals?

Well, who'd want to see an empty palace?

Plenty of people, see Versailles

Mmmm we won in the Falklands lol. Also may i remind you the falklands is like 10,000 miles away from us. Like 50 miles from argentina. It is a difficult war to manage. Anyway we are still a huge power, not the biggest but still big

Britain won in the end, but it's the Boer War all over again - a weak and underfunded military force gave Britain a severe showing up.

We're a minor military power. A passable naval and air force because the American's needed us to be a speed-bump for the Red Army, and the army is stretched thin by a battered insurgency half a world away.

But everyone loves the ceremonies. Also they pay the same tax as normal Brits, why should they be the only ones to pay more. Also house of lords is in some ways elected. It has experts in it opposed to crap politicians. For example Lord Alan Sugar

So, a buisnessman can how make a decision to chop and change laws about schools, based on his experiances as a buisnessman? Blair didn't go far enough when he weeded out the hereidtary lords, he should have abolished the whole corrupt system.

Because the Monarchy represents our nation, our people, our history, and our tradition- if the French wants to chop off theirs, they are free to do so, just as they are free to go under the yoke of Merkel's rule, I think we'll keep our monarch and our Britishness, thank you.

[Nova Imperius]

But everyone loves the ceremonies. Also they pay the same tax as normal Brits, why should they be the only ones to pay more. Also house of lords is in some ways elected. It has experts in it opposed to crap politicians. For example Lord Alan Sugar

By ceremonial BTW I meant that the Queen technically has the power to refuse to pass laws, royal weddings and stuff are a great method of trying to revitalise the economy so you know...
And with the house of lords 92 members inherit their seats, 26 due to their role in the church and the rest are appointed by the Queen (although in reality they are appointed by the Prime Minister). So none of them are really elected. Furthermore there are other ways to get experts in, for example we could require that they didn't just go through Politics in uni and then onto Politics itself like the Tory Oxbridge bunch or perhaps something slightly more formal and less angry sounding.

Some laws are dangerous/ If, somehow, a radical group came into power and tried to pass a law all Jewish people should be shot she could stop it. Shes a firewall for foolish politicians

[Pesda]

Yes, but she shouldn't, because she didn't pay for it.

You don't own your genes because you didn't pay for it, give it back to your mother and father, will you?

Genes are not commodities that are brought and sold.

[The UK in Exile]

Just like, France is a generic European country because they chopped up the royals?



Plenty of people, see Versailles



Britain won in the end, but it's the Boer War all over again - a weak and underfunded military force gave Britain a severe showing up.

We're a minor military power. A passable naval and air force because the American's needed us to be a speed-bump for the Red Army, and the army is stretched thin by a battered insurgency half a world away.




So, a buisnessman can how make a decision to chop and change laws about schools, based on his experiances as a buisnessman? Blair didn't go far enough when he weeded out the hereidtary lords, he should have abolished the whole corrupt system.

Our nation haas lasted centuries on that system, and now we sit near the top of countries in the world. London is regarded as the world capital, we control huge sections of the financial market, we are one of only 7 nuclear nations, we still are way above average on military size with 450,000 troops.

lol, no.

I assume you have mashed in the TA and maybe the total reserve strength of the UK armed forces. we have 220,000 active duty personel.

[Pesda]

http://www.royal.gov.uk/FrequentlyAsked ... tions.aspx

She owns two properties privately, she owns Buckingham in her function as the Queen, what is your point? She still owns the Castle.

The point is that she doesn't own Buckingham Palace, where I presume you meant by "her house."

[Machtergreifung]

Just like, France is a generic European country because they chopped up the royals?



Plenty of people, see Versailles



Britain won in the end, but it's the Boer War all over again - a weak and underfunded military force gave Britain a severe showing up.

We're a minor military power. A passable naval and air force because the American's needed us to be a speed-bump for the Red Army, and the army is stretched thin by a battered insurgency half a world away.




So, a buisnessman can how make a decision to chop and change laws about schools, based on his experiances as a buisnessman? Blair didn't go far enough when he weeded out the hereidtary lords, he should have abolished the whole corrupt system.

Our nation haas lasted centuries on that system, and now we sit near the top of countries in the world. London is regarded as the world capital, we control huge sections of the financial market, we are one of only 7 nuclear nations, we still are way above average on military size with 450,000 troops.

Just because it's centuries old doesn't make it good. The Neanderthals are even older, but they aren't all that great.

What exactly does London being a major financial center have to do with the rest of Britain and the monarchy, besides the fact that the Queen has one of many houses there? You could argue that Tokyo, New York, Beijing are as equally if not more important.

As for military size, that means little. Brazil has something like 350,000 odd troops, yet they are hardly a major military power.

[The Godly Nations]

And where, pray, is Wales? In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland- specifically in the Great Britain bit, so, there's the geography factor going against you already.

And where, pray, is Germany? In Europe?
Wales being on an island doesn't stop Welsh being a nationality.

This may come as a surprise, but Germans are also Europeans, both politically (they are part of the EU after all), and Geographically. Your nation happens to be in a entirely different situation, your nation is Part of Britain, so you are British- which is on your passport, your citizenship, and, so, as Wales is part of Britain, and British, you recieved our money for your Education, your Health Care, etc.

[Nova Imperius]

And where, pray, is Wales? In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland- specifically in the Great Britain bit, so, there's the geography factor going against you already.

And where, pray, is Germany? In Europe?
Wales being on an island doesn't stop Welsh being a nationality.

Its part of a government . Passports are british. No matter what you say you ARE a british citizen, not a Welsh citizen.

[The Godly Nations]

She owns two properties privately, she owns Buckingham in her function as the Queen, what is your point? She still owns the Castle.

The point is that she doesn't own Buckingham Palace, where I presume you meant by "her house."

She does. It's her bloody house- she owns it in the function of being the Queen.

[Pesda]

And where, pray, is Germany? In Europe?
Wales being on an island doesn't stop Welsh being a nationality.

This may come as a surprise, but Germans are also Europeans, both politically (they are part of the EU after all), and Geographically. Your nation happens to be in a entirely different situation, your nation is Part of Britain, so you are British- which is on your passport, your citizenship, and, so, as Wales is part of Britain, and British, you recieved our money for your Education, your Health Care, etc.

Welsh people can be British, also, but it is our right to identify as Welsh.

[The UK in Exile]

Our nation haas lasted centuries on that system, and now we sit near the top of countries in the world. London is regarded as the world capital, we control huge sections of the financial market, we are one of only 7 nuclear nations, we still are way above average on military size with 450,000 troops.

Just because it's centuries old doesn't make it good. The Neanderthals are even older, but they aren't all that great.

What exactly does London being a major financial center have to do with the rest of Britain and the monarchy, besides the fact that the Queen has one of many houses there? You could argue that Tokyo, New York, Beijing are as equally if not more important.

As for military size, that means little. Brazil has something like 350,000 odd troops, yet they are hardly a major military power.

except London is the largest financial Market thats operational hours overlap with Asia and America.

[Pesda]

And where, pray, is Germany? In Europe?
Wales being on an island doesn't stop Welsh being a nationality.

Its part of a government . Passports are british. No matter what you say you ARE a british citizen, not a Welsh citizen.

Legally, yes, I am a British citizen. However, I belong to the Welsh nation.

[The Godly Nations]

You don't own your genes because you didn't pay for it, give it back to your mother and father, will you?

Genes are not commodities that are brought and sold.

You also don't own any commodities that your parents have given you either.