Should the British monarchy be abolished?

[Johz]

Well, who'd want to see an empty palace?

Lots of people.

Source, please. You've been making these assertions that no longer having a Queen will not significantly affect tourism in any way. Your arguments regarding the French palaces have no place here, either - the French monarchy are not only long gone, but also deposed in a dramatic and exciting historical event. It also makes no mention of parades and other events ranging from the Royal Wedding to the changing of the guard.

So please, dear Pesda, provide some source, or meaningful argument, to show that not having a monarch is not in any way going to affect our tourist industry, if only because we're now getting to the point where we're simply repeating our arguments at each other.

[Pesda]

Buckingham Palace would still exist and people would be able to actually go to places they otherwise wouldn't.

Would you be happy if you were forced out of your family home??? I doubt it

They don't have the right to inherit it.

[Nova Imperius]

I think its pretty obvious Welsh people would call themselves welsh in certain contexts, same as someone from glasgow would call themselves Glasweigan opposed to scottish sometimes

Even including those calling themselves "Welsh and British," the number of British people is very low. I'll look at the numbers now.

Yes, quite. Legally only 62.5 million of us out of....... 62.5 million

[Feresundy]

The Brits can do whatever they want when it comes to their own Royal Family but I believe that here in the Netherlands the monarchy should be abolished as soon as Queen Beatrix abdicates.

No, Netherlands stays. I don't care a fadoodle about what government I live in, just as long as it's not Socialism or Communism, and that I have the freedom of Speech. Plus, there are a lot of heirs to the throne, and honestly, imagine the Netherlands as having an abolished monarchy. Crazy.

[Pesda]

Lots of people.

For one, you want to get out of the United Kingdom, so, you can't say that you want to get rid of our monarchy, and you want to be independent. YOu mean to tell me that, after centuries of oppression by the evil English, you want to oppress them by forcing them out of their monarchy, whilst you go about being an independent nation. Therefore, put up with our Monarchy, and speak from that angle, else whine about your Welsh independence elsewhere.

No, you can have a monarchy if you want, just don't make me share it.

[Nova Imperius]

Would you be happy if you were forced out of your family home??? I doubt it

They don't have the right to inherit it.

King George II bought it with his own money. Its property of the windsor family, not the government. Its sick how people forget we would be putting them out of a home there family has lived in for 300 years

[Pesda]

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

Why are you talking about Wales? It doesn't matter about what you call yourself. I call myself Scotch-Irish-American. But just because I live don't live in a constitutional Monarchy, I still think it matters. Like preserving Tutankhamen. Or recognizing Native American tribes.

What?

[Feresundy]

No royalty. No untouchables. Meritocracy!

Who said a Monarchy had untouchables? That's the Moguls. You wouldn't believe how democratically similar the UK and the US are.

[Pesda]

No, that's very wrong. North Wales gets a lot of climbers and walkers. Try it one day, there are wonderful views.

Well aware. I have family there, and used to go there every summer.

Good, good.

Okay fair enough. I don't believe in 'nuh uh.' But who is this Brand Finance, and why are they a trustworthy source?

Do you have a counter-source? Skepticism is good, poisoning the well... not so much.

No I don't have a counter source. I am willing to accept your source if you explain who Brand Finance is, and why they are trustworthy.

[Bobbyland420]

Government should be abolished.

[Grave_n_idle]

No I don't have a counter source.

I guess we can leave it there, then.

[Pesda]

Lots of people.

Source, please. You've been making these assertions that no longer having a Queen will not significantly affect tourism in any way. Your arguments regarding the French palaces have no place here, either - the French monarchy are not only long gone, but also deposed in a dramatic and exciting historical event. It also makes no mention of parades and other events ranging from the Royal Wedding to the changing of the guard.

So please, dear Pesda, provide some source, or meaningful argument, to show that not having a monarch is not in any way going to affect our tourist industry, if only because we're now getting to the point where we're simply repeating our arguments at each other.

Okay, sorry. I know I shouldn't make these assertions without being able to back them up. I'll no longer claim that abolishing the monarchy won't significantly effect tourism.
And while I'm at it, sorry for my repeated swearing last night, too.

[Nova Imperius]

Source, please. You've been making these assertions that no longer having a Queen will not significantly affect tourism in any way. Your arguments regarding the French palaces have no place here, either - the French monarchy are not only long gone, but also deposed in a dramatic and exciting historical event. It also makes no mention of parades and other events ranging from the Royal Wedding to the changing of the guard.

So please, dear Pesda, provide some source, or meaningful argument, to show that not having a monarch is not in any way going to affect our tourist industry, if only because we're now getting to the point where we're simply repeating our arguments at each other.

Okay, sorry. I know I shouldn't make these assertions without being able to back them up. I'll no longer claim that abolishing the monarchy won't significantly effect tourism.
And while I'm at it, sorry for my repeated swearing last night, too.

Thats told you.... you fat giraffe

[Johz]

Well aware. I have family there, and used to go there every summer.

Good, good.

Do you have a counter-source? Skepticism is good, poisoning the well... not so much.

No I don't have a counter source. I am willing to accept your source if you explain who Brand Finance is, and why they are trustworthy.

It is good practice to assume a source is trustworthy unless you can show otherwise. Otherwise we'd be here for years as opposed to the current discussion-length of days-weeks.

[Johz]

Source, please. You've been making these assertions that no longer having a Queen will not significantly affect tourism in any way. Your arguments regarding the French palaces have no place here, either - the French monarchy are not only long gone, but also deposed in a dramatic and exciting historical event. It also makes no mention of parades and other events ranging from the Royal Wedding to the changing of the guard.

So please, dear Pesda, provide some source, or meaningful argument, to show that not having a monarch is not in any way going to affect our tourist industry, if only because we're now getting to the point where we're simply repeating our arguments at each other.

Okay, sorry. I know I shouldn't make these assertions without being able to back them up. I'll no longer claim that abolishing the monarchy won't significantly effect tourism.
And while I'm at it, sorry for my repeated swearing last night, too.

*pinches self*

Did you just, really, do that? You are like my new NSG hero. *gives medal of worthy debatingness*

[Pesda]

Even including those calling themselves "Welsh and British," the number of British people is very low. I'll look at the numbers now.

Yes, quite. Legally only 62.5 million of us out of....... 62.5 million

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_290982.pdf

Nearly two thirds (66 per cent, 2.0 million) of the residents of Wales expressed their national
identity as Welsh in 2011. Of these 218,000 also reported that they considered themselves to be
British.

Just under 17 per cent (519,000) considered themselves to have a British national identity
only.

The amount of people living in Wales identifying as British is quite low.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

It balances.

A flippant response. The thing about monarchists is that their answers are inconsistent. Either the monarch is symbolic or vitally important to government. Power rests with parliament or we need a monarch with reserve powers in case "democracy fails". The answer is straightforward you either accept we are equal or you don't. And monarchy is inconsistent with that value regardless of what caveats you impose on it.

Keep it.
I'm of an understanding that large groupings of people, can on some issues, have a 'mob' mentality, and often cling to ideas that are both stupid and dtermental in the long-run. Essentially, a person is smart, but people are dumb. There needs to be some form of safe guard so foolish populism does not get out of hand.

This is what monarchy is, conservatism unblemished. People are dumb and can't be trusted so it rests on their "betters" to restrain from their own stupidity.

Obviously, because on some issues the people know absolutely everything they need to know, and should be wholly trusted to make the correct decisions. There needs to be some form of safeguard.

[Pesda]

They don't have the right to inherit it.

King George II bought it with his own money. Its property of the windsor family, not the government. Its sick how people forget we would be putting them out of a home there family has lived in for 300 years

Queen Elizabeth didn't buy it with her own money that she worked for. She doesn't have a right to inherit it.

[Nova Imperius]

Yes, quite. Legally only 62.5 million of us out of....... 62.5 million

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_290982.pdf

Nearly two thirds (66 per cent, 2.0 million) of the residents of Wales expressed their national
identity as Welsh in 2011. Of these 218,000 also reported that they considered themselves to be
British.

Just under 17 per cent (519,000) considered themselves to have a British national identity
only.

The amount of people living in Wales identifying as British is quite low.

Identifying. It depends were you are. In london i shall say im scottish, in USA i shall say im british, in edinburgh ill say im glasweigan. Ever citizen in the UK has a british Passport. There opinion dosent change a thing

[Pesda]

No I don't have a counter source.

I guess we can leave it there, then.

Indeed, if it wasn't for the validity of your source. Who is Brand Finance, and why should I trust them as a base for my opinons?

[Pesda]

Good, good.


No I don't have a counter source. I am willing to accept your source if you explain who Brand Finance is, and why they are trustworthy.

It is good practice to assume a source is trustworthy unless you can show otherwise. Otherwise we'd be here for years as opposed to the current discussion-length of days-weeks.

Oh fair enough.

[Nova Imperius]

King George II bought it with his own money. Its property of the windsor family, not the government. Its sick how people forget we would be putting them out of a home there family has lived in for 300 years

Queen Elizabeth didn't buy it with her own money that she worked for. She doesn't have a right to inherit it.

Shes 85(give or take few years) and still working. She has a horrible job having to fly all over the world and talk to everyone, and always being in the public eye. Anyway its basic law, if its in a will, you get it.

[Pesda]

Okay, sorry. I know I shouldn't make these assertions without being able to back them up. I'll no longer claim that abolishing the monarchy won't significantly effect tourism.
And while I'm at it, sorry for my repeated swearing last night, too.

*pinches self*

Did you just, really, do that? You are like my new NSG hero. *gives medal of worthy debatingness*

Oh thank you. Just trying not to look like an idiot, cause last night didn't help me now, did it?

[Grave_n_idle]

I guess we can leave it there, then.

Indeed, if it wasn't for the validity of your source. Who is Brand Finance, and why should I trust them as a base for my opinons?

If you have a source that gives a good reason to doubt the source, we'll go ahead and examine it - until then, you're just poisoning the well. A logical fallacy, by the way.

[Pesda]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_290982.pdf




The amount of people living in Wales identifying as British is quite low.

Identifying. It depends were you are. In london i shall say im scottish, in USA i shall say im british, in edinburgh ill say im glasweigan. Ever citizen in the UK has a british Passport. There opinion dosent change a thing

You don't get to decide whether I'm Welsh, British, or both. I have a right to a nationality.