Should the British monarchy be abolished?

[Nova Imperius]

Of course.

Well, who'd want to see an empty palace?

With no fancy parades and pagentary going on

[Pesda]

It doesn't matter that Brythonic and British used to be the same. Nowdays we've got two thirds calling themselves Welsh, a 20-25% calling themselves English and very very few calling themselves British. And that doens't even matter- the British monarch is not Welsh tradition.

two thirds of the british population do not call themselves welsh. You talk about welsh tradition..... 800 years ago. It has been tradition for the past 799 years

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

[Grave_n_idle]

What we call the crown estate could be nationalised if we became a republic. And do you really think that tourists come to North Wales to see the queen? No, only London, and even then £44bn sounds like a suspiciously inflated number.

And should the queen vanish, people will suddenly stop coming to London, right?

In a previous debate on the topic, I think we found that monarchy-related-tourism accounts for 10% of tourist revenue.

So, no - people might not stop coming completely - but there probably would be a painful and unnecessary drop in tourist income.

[Nova Imperius]

two thirds of the british population do not call themselves welsh. You talk about welsh tradition..... 800 years ago. It has been tradition for the past 799 years

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

I think its pretty obvious Welsh people would call themselves welsh in certain contexts, same as someone from glasgow would call themselves Glasweigan opposed to scottish sometimes

[Pesda]

You couldn't be more wrong, my friend.
Britishness isn't common in Wales, even less common than Englishness. This is actually more true in the South than in the North!
The nationalist party doesn't deny wanting an independent Wales, and doesn't denounce the SNP. At all.

Can you give us a link to prove this

The 2011 census. A link will take a while.

[Pesda]

Of course.

if the Royal family vanished we would lose a lot of our uniqueness

Buckingham Palace would still exist and people would be able to actually go to places they otherwise wouldn't.

[Pesda]

Of course.

Well, who'd want to see an empty palace?

Lots of people.

[Ostroeuropa]

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

I think its pretty obvious Welsh people would call themselves welsh in certain contexts, same as someone from glasgow would call themselves Glasweigan opposed to scottish sometimes

This is important, and fairly prevalent amognst all of british societies.
Typically one identifies as their region, except to foreigners, when they either identify as british or their constituent nation, with British being quite common.

[Nova Imperius]

I think its pretty obvious Welsh people would call themselves welsh in certain contexts, same as someone from glasgow would call themselves Glasweigan opposed to scottish sometimes

This is important, and fairly prevalent amognst all of british societies.
Typically one identifies as their region, except to foreigners, when they either identify as british or their constituent nation, with British being quite common.

Id say londoners would call themselves british more than any other region in the UK

[The Godly Nations]

two thirds of the british population do not call themselves welsh. You talk about welsh tradition..... 800 years ago. It has been tradition for the past 799 years

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

And most Welsh call themselves both Welsh and Britons, just as we Englishmen call ourselves both English and Britons. Since the Normans conquered youse, you have had the same Monarchy as us and the rest of the Great Britain.

[Nova Imperius]

if the Royal family vanished we would lose a lot of our uniqueness

Buckingham Palace would still exist and people would be able to actually go to places they otherwise wouldn't.

Would you be happy if you were forced out of your family home??? I doubt it

[Collingwood1]

Even if u got rid of the Royal Family will still idolize them so i will not change anything plues look a Saudi Arabia or Swaziland , Oman these are some of the last monarchist places left in the world.

[Ostroeuropa]

This is important, and fairly prevalent amognst all of british societies.
Typically one identifies as their region, except to foreigners, when they either identify as british or their constituent nation, with British being quite common.

Id say londoners would call themselves british more than any other region in the UK

I've found that they tend to identify by borough of london. Which is even weirder.

[Sobaeg]

How could the colonies call a coin toss with no "heads"?

[Nova Imperius]

How could the colonies call a coin toss with no "heads"?

They have the heads of the worshipped presidents

[Sobaeg]

How could the colonies call a coin toss with no "heads"?

They have the heads of the worshipped presidents

life saver!

[The Godly Nations]

Well, who'd want to see an empty palace?

Lots of people.

For one, you want to get out of the United Kingdom, so, you can't say that you want to get rid of our monarchy, and you want to be independent. YOu mean to tell me that, after centuries of oppression by the evil English, you want to oppress them by forcing them out of their monarchy, whilst you go about being an independent nation. Therefore, put up with our Monarchy, and speak from that angle, else whine about your Welsh independence elsewhere.

[Feresundy]

Only over my cold, dead body.

I agree. Even if I live half way across the world from the UK, I think that Monarchy is a dying government. Why do you think the EU exists?

[Nova Imperius]

They have the heads of the worshipped presidents

life saver!

But when the british just left i have not a clue lol

[Pesda]

What we call the crown estate could be nationalised if we became a republic.

Maybe. The Crown Estate is complicated.

Okay, we'll agree with a "maybe" for that.

And do you really think that tourists come to North Wales to see the queen?

No. But then, North Wales gets like 9 tourists a year, so it doesn't really matter why they go there.

No, that's very wrong. North Wales gets a lot of climbers and walkers. Try it one day, there are wonderful views.

No, only London, and even then £44bn sounds like a suspiciously inflated number.

Skepticism is good. But if you want to ignore the numbers I've taken the time to source, you're realistically going to have to do more than just shake your head and say 'nuh uh!'.

Okay fair enough. I don't believe in 'nuh uh.' But who is this Brand Finance, and why are they a trustworthy source?

[Nova Imperius]

Only over my cold, dead body.

I agree. Even if I live half way across the world from the UK, I think that Monarchy is a dying government. Why do you think the EU exists?

We dont have a monarchy but a constitutional monarchy.

[Feresundy]

two thirds of the british population do not call themselves welsh. You talk about welsh tradition..... 800 years ago. It has been tradition for the past 799 years

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

Why are you talking about Wales? It doesn't matter about what you call yourself. I call myself Scotch-Irish-American. But just because I live don't live in a constitutional Monarchy, I still think it matters. Like preserving Tutankhamen. Or recognizing Native American tribes.

[Pesda]

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

I think its pretty obvious Welsh people would call themselves welsh in certain contexts, same as someone from glasgow would call themselves Glasweigan opposed to scottish sometimes

Even including those calling themselves "Welsh and British," the number of British people is very low. I'll look at the numbers now.

[Pesda]

Two thirds of the Welsh population (i.e. living in Wales) call themselves Welsh. I thought that was obvious.
And the British monarchy is British tradition. Not Welsh tradition. How can a monarchy forced on us by an external force be our tradition?

And most Welsh call themselves both Welsh and Britons, just as we Englishmen call ourselves both English and Britons. Since the Normans conquered youse, you have had the same Monarchy as us and the rest of the Great Britain.

No, most Welsh don't call themselves both.

[Grave_n_idle]

No, that's very wrong. North Wales gets a lot of climbers and walkers. Try it one day, there are wonderful views.

Well aware. I have family there, and used to go there every summer.

Okay fair enough. I don't believe in 'nuh uh.' But who is this Brand Finance, and why are they a trustworthy source?

Do you have a counter-source? Skepticism is good, poisoning the well... not so much.