Should the British monarchy be abolished?

[The UK in Exile]

No nation acts alone these days.
In the event of an actual war between developed nations, Britain has the industrial capacity to quickly build more ships and guns than most of the other nations except other major powers.

This being the nation that can not afford to put planes on their aircraft carriers for 10 years after they are built.

well they were mostly built to keep the scots from getting up to mischief anyway. of course you can still land as many helicopters as you want on them...

[Johz]

Britain is "great" free library's & crap?

This is how "Great" Britain is................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2155894/Staffing-Diamond-Jubilee-unpaid-workers-work-experience-exploitation.html

I bet they would have liked a "Free" Library to sleep in.

I'll bet the "Windsors " didnae huv tae worry aboot the rain or the cold that night!!!

Slipping randomly into Scots disnae make yer argument mare convincing, lad.

It works for Hamish and Dougal

/radiofourlistener

[The Godly Nations]

Yeah i think they were Great, showed we were still a big power and we have contributed SO much to the world

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

[Nidaria]

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

Military strength is a measure of a nation's greatness, like it or not. There are other ways of measuring greatness, but those do not really matter if said nation is incapable of defending itself.

[The UK in Exile]

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

Military strength is a measure of a nation's greatness, like it or not. There are other ways of measuring greatness, but those do not really matter if said nation is incapable of defending itself.

do we measure military greatness based on how many interventions and wars a country fights, or how like switzerland they are? its possible to have military strength without wrecking peoples shit.

[The Godly Nations]

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

Military strength is a measure of a nation's greatness, like it or not. There are other ways of measuring greatness, but those do not really matter if said nation is incapable of defending itself.

We don't measure it based upon how many unaffordable wars we decided to go into- even the Americans have decided (at least rhetorically) to abandon such policies.

[Priory Academy USSR]

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

Military strength is a measure of a nation's greatness, like it or not. There are other ways of measuring greatness, but those do not really matter if said nation is incapable of defending itself.

Britain is perfectly able to defend itself. Any attack on the Falklands, (since that's the only place with a vague chance of being attacked, ever) would be destroyed by the naval forces situated there, the RAF squadrons there, and the 400 strong (10 times as many as the pre-war period) garrison. The Argentine military has declined greatly in strength since then due to the fall of the military junta.

[Cromarty]

Military strength is a measure of a nation's greatness, like it or not. There are other ways of measuring greatness, but those do not really matter if said nation is incapable of defending itself.

Britain is perfectly able to defend itself. Any attack on the Falklands, (since that's the only place with a vague chance of being attacked, ever) would be destroyed by the naval forces situated there, the RAF squadrons there, and the 400 strong (10 times as many as the pre-war period) garrison. The Argentine military has declined greatly in strength since then due to the fall of the military junta.

A few inaccuracies there. It's one squadron of 4 Eurofighters there, and 1500 troops in the garrison.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Britain is perfectly able to defend itself. Any attack on the Falklands, (since that's the only place with a vague chance of being attacked, ever) would be destroyed by the naval forces situated there, the RAF squadrons there, and the 400 strong (10 times as many as the pre-war period) garrison. The Argentine military has declined greatly in strength since then due to the fall of the military junta.

A few inaccuracies there. It's one squadron of 4 Eurofighters there, and 1500 troops in the garrison.

Ah, right. Thanks for correcting me. It's still a fair amount, though.

[Emile Zola]

That as a society we are unequal and it is decided at birth.

So, let's assume you are born to a bourgeois family, since you are born into an unequal situation, should it follow that we should round up all babies, put them in poorly staffed, poorly managed, and poorly funded Government Nurseries in the name of Egalitarianism?

It is amusing when conservatives equate equality as having to slum it with the plebs. Since you chose to avoid answering my statement I'll do it for you. Equality before the law as stated by Pericles,

If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in their private differences; if no social standing, advancement in public life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way

hereditary monarchy symbolic or not is the opposite of this.

As to your digression. That is exactly what Finland did. They got rid of all privately funded schools and made it all public. It is best school system in the world, Hippostania withstanding. What you intended as a slur is the best policy for education reform.

[Kilgrammie]

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

That would be Novo Imperiuses argument no mine.

Personally id measure a nations greatness by how it looks after the weakest in its society, but thats just me.

[The Godly Nations]

So, let's assume you are born to a bourgeois family, since you are born into an unequal situation, should it follow that we should round up all babies, put them in poorly staffed, poorly managed, and poorly funded Government Nurseries in the name of Egalitarianism?

It is amusing when conservatives equate equality as having to slum it with the plebs. Since you chose to avoid answering my statement I'll do it for you. Equality before the law as stated by Pericles,

If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in their private differences; if no social standing, advancement in public life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way

hereditary monarchy symbolic or not is the opposite of this.

As to your digression. That is exactly what Finland did. They got rid of all privately funded schools and made it all public. It is best school system in the world, Hippostania withstanding. What you intended as a slur is the best policy for education reform.

I did not do so, you only imagined so- I said that if you are born into a bourgeois family, you are born unequal in advantage to the proletarian children, and you don't seem to be making a giant fuss over it- unless you want to institute a government nursery programme, you are just being hypocritical and insincere about this whole thing.

But, let's look at your Pericles (which, I may add, he probably never said those things, as those words were Thucydides)- he lived in Athens, we live in Britain, he speaks of his Athenian laws, we have our own laws, if you want your egalitarianism, there is France across the channels, we are content with our inequalities, because that is the foundation of our society. But, on observing his words, we recognise two things- the Monarch is bounded by the law as the rest of us, she cannot go about murdering, the princes are not allowed to rape and go unpunished, and anything to that effect is imagined. It seems our monarchy does, in fact, conform to the words of Mr Pericles' (or, at least, Thucydides version of Pericles) vision of thing.

As to your Finland, I speak not of schools, but of taking children away at cradle to raise them by government nurseries, so they can all be equal.

[The UK in Exile]

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

That would be Novo Imperiuses argument no mine.

actually you brought it up, In response to a comment on the Olympics oddly enough.

[Machtergreifung]

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

No nation acts alone these days.
In the event of an actual war between developed nations, Britain has the industrial capacity to quickly build more ships and guns than most of the other nations except other major powers.

What, with heavy industry in the shit, the shipyards a shell of what they were and what military equipment the army does have is either American imported to old Cold War stuff.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

The whole 'promotes inequality' I find is a complete load of rubbish. The Commonwealth is not entirely populated with are fools, and no one who lives in the Commonwealth with the Queen as there Head-of-State don't feel any particular sense of being 'unequal' or worse off. For practical purposes, the monarchy is a benefit. The negative symbolism just seems so weak it might as well not waste its time even bothering to show up for an argument.

[Pesda]

Fuck yes.
Also, what fucking tourist money? Fucking prove it you tories.

The Royal Family are net contributors, overall - even aside from tourism:

http://www.monarchist.org.uk/royal-finances.html


For overall value of the monarchy 'brand' including tourism:

http://brandfinance.com/images/upload/b ... ease_1.pdf

What we call the crown estate could be nationalised if we became a republic. And do you really think that tourists come to North Wales to see the queen? No, only London, and even then £44bn sounds like a suspiciously inflated number.

[Machtergreifung]

The Royal Family are net contributors, overall - even aside from tourism:

http://www.monarchist.org.uk/royal-finances.html


For overall value of the monarchy 'brand' including tourism:

http://brandfinance.com/images/upload/b ... ease_1.pdf

What we call the crown estate could be nationalised if we became a republic. And do you really think that tourists come to North Wales to see the queen? No, only London, and even then £44bn sounds like a suspiciously inflated number.

And should the queen vanish, people will suddenly stop coming to London, right?

[Priory Academy USSR]

No nation acts alone these days.
In the event of an actual war between developed nations, Britain has the industrial capacity to quickly build more ships and guns than most of the other nations except other major powers.

What, with heavy industry in the shit, the shipyards a shell of what they were and what military equipment the army does have is either American imported to old Cold War stuff.

If a threat to Britain was to emerge, I suspect the government would quite likely increase the defense budget a few years in advance, allowing time for equipment to be modernised and shipyards put back into action for the building of new ships. In it's current state, Britain is poorly outfitted for a large scale war; just to note, the Falklands wouldn't rellay count as large scale war, unless it involved other South American powers, or a ground invasion of either country (both situations or unlikely, to say the least). A few years of preparation, however, would easily change that.

[Nova Imperius]

Lizzie volunteered as a driver-mechanic during WW2 and drove an ambulance through the streets of Blitz torn London.

Prince Andrew was a helicopter helicopter during the Falklands War and rescued several people from a burning ship by landing directly on the deck at great risk to himself.

William is currently serving in the RAF as a Search and Rescue helicopter pilot.

Charles IIRC is the patron of a number of charities.

And let's not forget Lord "Fuckup" Montbatton.

Oh yes he really did fuck up by getting killed by a terrorist group

[Nova Imperius]

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

Haha USA has NEVER done a military engagement by itself. If you are going by military, we have invaded or attacked 90% of ALL nations worldwide, usa = 4%

[Priory Academy USSR]

So, we measure a nation's greatness by how imperialistic and warmongering they are?

Haha USA has NEVER done a military engagement by itself. If you are going by military, we have invaded or attacked 90% of ALL nations worldwide, usa = 4%

1812 and the Civil War spring to mind.

[Nova Imperius]

No nation acts alone these days.
In the event of an actual war between developed nations, Britain has the industrial capacity to quickly build more ships and guns than most of the other nations except other major powers.

What, with heavy industry in the shit, the shipyards a shell of what they were and what military equipment the army does have is either American imported to old Cold War stuff.

The reason they are a shell is because we no longer need a huge navy to protect a far flung empire. We havent just stopped for the sake of it

[Nova Imperius]

Haha USA has NEVER done a military engagement by itself. If you are going by military, we have invaded or attacked 90% of ALL nations worldwide, usa = 4%

1812 and the Civil War spring to mind.

Civil war is different from a real war, and 1812 assistance from the French

[Priory Academy USSR]

1812 and the Civil War spring to mind.

Civil war is different from a real war, and 1812 assistance from the French

Wikipedia says no, although it turns out they were allied with various native American tribes.

[The Godly Nations]

Civil war is different from a real war, and 1812 assistance from the French

Wikipedia says no, although it turns out they were allied with various native American tribes.

National Ball size comparison time: We withstood the Blitz, you just had a military base bombed.