Should the British monarchy be abolished?

[Machtergreifung]

Besides the Princes being dragged through the military, what have the royal family actually done? I can't think of anything groundbreaking that they've done off the top of my head...

Lizzie volunteered as a driver-mechanic during WW2 and drove an ambulance through the streets of Blitz torn London.

Prince Andrew was a helicopter helicopter during the Falklands War and rescued several people from a burning ship by landing directly on the deck at great risk to himself.

William is currently serving in the RAF as a Search and Rescue helicopter pilot.

Charles IIRC is the patron of a number of charities.

And let's not forget Lord "Fuckup" Montbatton.

[Pesda]

British monarchy being Welsh tradition =/= historic fact. British monarchy being welsh tradition = insulting lie.

The British Monarch is a Welsh Tradition is as much a fact as Wales is part of Britain

No, it's not. Wales is on the island of Britain but Welsh people generally don't identify as British.

[Ifreann]

so did Katie Price, where's her Parade?

Exactly, what's so special about the royal family support charities, seeing as it's fairly common to have big names attached to it?

Who said it was special? You asked what they do, I told you.

[The UK in Exile]

Besides the Princes being dragged through the military, what have the royal family actually done? I can't think of anything groundbreaking that they've done off the top of my head...

Lizzie volunteered as a driver-mechanic during WW2 and drove an ambulance through the streets of Blitz torn London.

she drove through the streets of Blitz torn London once, to buckingham palace, to attend a party.

[Pesda]

Of course our English brothers are still nice, except for their fetish for the queen.

You're about as Celtic as we Englishmen are.

Okay. It doesn't really matter though, does it?

[Pesda]

Of course our English brothers are still nice, except for their fetish for the queen.

Of course !! I firmly believe in Independence for England, they should take their rightful place in the world.

England the forgotten Nation.

Horay for England.

[Machtergreifung]

Lizzie volunteered as a driver-mechanic during WW2 and drove an ambulance through the streets of Blitz torn London.

she drove through the streets of Blitz torn London once, to buckingham palace, to attend a party.

While the rest of London was in bomb shelters amidst their collapsed houses. Yeah, the royal family really were one of the people during the Blitz.

Also, her parents were trying to push her through without taking the exam. Great article there on the royals.

[The UK in Exile]

she drove through the streets of Blitz torn London once, to buckingham palace, to attend a party.

While the rest of London was in bomb shelters amidst their collapsed houses. Yeah, the royal family really were one of the people during the Blitz.

Also, her parents were trying to push her through without taking the exam. Great article there on the royals.

Fair play to Elizabeth, she wanted to do her bit, demanded to do her bit and did it with relish.

[Johz]

Of those, three demonstrate the importance of a grammar system that has been all but destroyed, one was the privately-educated son of a Mayor, and the other two are shining examples that were born in the 1800s. Try again.

nope. I've adressed your point. the fact that you've now seen fit to caveat it is your problem. nothing stopping you going to a good school. hell, Ed Milliband when to a State school.

Nothing stopping me from going to a good school? What world do you live in, one where money drips off trees? I haven't created a caveat here, I have continued along the same line: if you want to get into serious politics today, where you are born (or at least the people you are born to, a factor which affects one's birthplace) cannot be underestimated. You have provided six examples which no longer apply to the current situation - fee-paying schools are, obviously, fee-paying, and grammar schools exist in a scattered mess that in most cases requires tuition (either from a fee-paying primary school, or private tuition) to get into due to most state primary schools woefully underpreparing their pupils for it - because SATs are, obviously, more important.

You talk about Ed Miliband, the son of a Marxist academic, living in Primrose Hill, and attending 'Labour's Eton', as some have called it, and do not see that this is a world away from John Smith, born in a council estate in Smethwick, and going to the only school that is close enough. Until this gap is closed, the argument that 'not everyone can become Queen' is nonsense.

[Machtergreifung]

While the rest of London was in bomb shelters amidst their collapsed houses. Yeah, the royal family really were one of the people during the Blitz.

Also, her parents were trying to push her through without taking the exam. Great article there on the royals.

Fair play to Elizabeth, she wanted to do her bit, demanded to do her bit and did it with relish.

Yes, but using that truck she's learned to drive to go to a party kind of kills it.

[Kilgrammie]

it helped show britain is still great. Life isnt all about getting free librarys and crap

Britain is "great" free library's & crap?

This is how "Great" Britain is................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2155894/Staffing-Diamond-Jubilee-unpaid-workers-work-experience-exploitation.html

I bet they would have liked a "Free" Library to sleep in.

I'll bet the "Windsors " didnae huv tae worry aboot the rain or the cold that night!!!

[The Godly Nations]

The British Monarch is a Welsh Tradition is as much a fact as Wales is part of Britain

No, it's not. Wales is on the island of Britain but Welsh people generally don't identify as British.

Welsh people are historically British- in fact, the term British use to refer to Welsh folks only, before it referred to everyone living on the British Isle, so, tough luck there, my Taffy friend.

[The Godly Nations]

You're about as Celtic as we Englishmen are.

Okay. It doesn't really matter though, does it?

It means that the whole basis for 'Celtic nation' has no genetic foundation.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, it's not. Wales is on the island of Britain but Welsh people generally don't identify as British.

Welsh people are historically British- in fact, the term British use to refer to Welsh folks only, before it referred to everyone living on the British Isle, so, tough luck there, my Taffy friend.

Incidentally, British sentiment in wales is very high.
At least in the south. (I.E, where 90% of the population is.)
The North Welsh are extremely "Welsh" and because of their nationalism and anti-britishness, essentially disown the south welsh.
Seeing as we have to somewhat admit that the north welsh are more traditionally welsh, we've had to carve our own identity.
Typically you'll see people identify as anglo-celtic, and insist that Britishness means anglo-celticism.
The fact that our "Nationalist" party has to fervently deny that they are seperatist every election, actively denounces the SNP, etc. is all evidence of this.
Plaid is basically a regional issues party, and an alternative to Labour seeing as Wales is a very strong Left-wing area, and we need two socialist parties in order to have a viable opposistion.

[Old Tyrannia]

Britain is "great" free library's & crap?

This is how "Great" Britain is................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2155894/Staffing-Diamond-Jubilee-unpaid-workers-work-experience-exploitation.html

I bet they would have liked a "Free" Library to sleep in.

I'll bet the "Windsors " didnae huv tae worry aboot the rain or the cold that night!!!

Slipping randomly into Scots disnae make yer argument mare convincing, lad.

[The UK in Exile]

nope. I've adressed your point. the fact that you've now seen fit to caveat it is your problem. nothing stopping you going to a good school. hell, Ed Milliband when to a State school.

Nothing stopping me from going to a good school? What world do you live in, one where money drips off trees? I haven't created a caveat here, I have continued along the same line: if you want to get into serious politics today, where you are born (or at least the people you are born to, a factor which affects one's birthplace) cannot be underestimated. You have provided six examples which no longer apply to the current situation - fee-paying schools are, obviously, fee-paying, and grammar schools exist in a scattered mess that in most cases requires tuition (either from a fee-paying primary school, or private tuition) to get into due to most state primary schools woefully underpreparing their pupils for it - because SATs are, obviously, more important.

You talk about Ed Miliband, the son of a Marxist academic, living in Primrose Hill, and attending 'Labour's Eton', as some have called it, and do not see that this is a world away from John Smith, born in a council estate in Smethwick, and going to the only school that is close enough. Until this gap is closed, the argument that 'not everyone can become Queen' is nonsense.

son of a jewish immigrant who went to a non-fee paying school, yes, that Ed Milliband. who as you say, now leads the party previously lead by John smith and had john prescott as deputy PM.

[Kilgrammie]

Yeah i think they were Great, showed we were still a big power and we have contributed SO much to the world

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

[The UK in Exile]

Yeah i think they were Great, showed we were still a big power and we have contributed SO much to the world

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

we will trade them Islay for the falklands.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yeah i think they were Great, showed we were still a big power and we have contributed SO much to the world

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

No nation acts alone these days.
In the event of an actual war between developed nations, Britain has the industrial capacity to quickly build more ships and guns than most of the other nations except other major powers.

[The Godly Nations]

No, and it should be obvious why- there is no reason.

That as a society we are unequal and it is decided at birth.

So, let's assume you are born to a bourgeois family, since you are born into an unequal situation, should it follow that we should round up all babies, put them in poorly staffed, poorly managed, and poorly funded Government Nurseries in the name of Egalitarianism?

[The Godly Nations]

No, and it should be obvious why- there is no reason.

It is an artifact of the atrocities of old Britain and the British Empire, among many other reasons.

So we should abolish the monarchy because:
1. It is a reminder of our glory days
and
2. Because it was minimally to uninvolved in the various atrocities we have committed in our Empire days.

Makes sense, Americans should burn the original Bill of Rights, Constitution, and your Declaration of Independence because they have committed autrocities to the Philipinos, the Latin Americans, and the Amerindians.

[Kilgrammie]

So what planet are you on then??

"UK" has only done one military engagement on its own since the Suez Crisis ever since it has danced to Americas tune, that's right it's former colony holds its hand.

They managed to take on Argentina, could they do that now? with no aircraft carriers? What will they do Nuke Buenos Aires over a few thousand islanders?
I dont think they'll get away with that one!

No nation acts alone these days.
In the event of an actual war between developed nations, Britain has the industrial capacity to quickly build more ships and guns than most of the other nations except other major powers.

This being the nation that can not afford to put planes on their aircraft carriers for 10 years after they are built.

[The Godly Nations]

Welsh people are historically British- in fact, the term British use to refer to Welsh folks only, before it referred to everyone living on the British Isle, so, tough luck there, my Taffy friend.

Incidentally, British sentiment in wales is very high.
At least in the south. (I.E, where 90% of the population is.)
The North Welsh are extremely "Welsh" and because of their nationalism and anti-britishness, essentially disown the south welsh.
Seeing as we have to somewhat admit that the north welsh are more traditionally welsh, we've had to carve our own identity.
Typically you'll see people identify as anglo-celtic, and insist that Britishness means anglo-celticism.
The fact that our "Nationalist" party has to fervently deny that they are seperatist every election, actively denounces the SNP, etc. is all evidence of this.
Plaid is basically a regional issues party, and an alternative to Labour seeing as Wales is a very strong Left-wing area, and we need two socialist parties in order to have a viable opposistion.

Ever since the Irish, almost every single region wants to seperate- Scotland, Cornwall,...Yorkshire.

[Ostroeuropa]

Incidentally, British sentiment in wales is very high.
At least in the south. (I.E, where 90% of the population is.)
The North Welsh are extremely "Welsh" and because of their nationalism and anti-britishness, essentially disown the south welsh.
Seeing as we have to somewhat admit that the north welsh are more traditionally welsh, we've had to carve our own identity.
Typically you'll see people identify as anglo-celtic, and insist that Britishness means anglo-celticism.
The fact that our "Nationalist" party has to fervently deny that they are seperatist every election, actively denounces the SNP, etc. is all evidence of this.
Plaid is basically a regional issues party, and an alternative to Labour seeing as Wales is a very strong Left-wing area, and we need two socialist parties in order to have a viable opposistion.

Ever since the Irish, almost every single region wants to seperate- Scotland, Cornwall,...Yorkshire.

That's overstated.
None of those regions want to seperate. they have individuals in them, regarded by mainstream society as extremist, who want to seperate.

[Johz]

Nothing stopping me from going to a good school? What world do you live in, one where money drips off trees? I haven't created a caveat here, I have continued along the same line: if you want to get into serious politics today, where you are born (or at least the people you are born to, a factor which affects one's birthplace) cannot be underestimated. You have provided six examples which no longer apply to the current situation - fee-paying schools are, obviously, fee-paying, and grammar schools exist in a scattered mess that in most cases requires tuition (either from a fee-paying primary school, or private tuition) to get into due to most state primary schools woefully underpreparing their pupils for it - because SATs are, obviously, more important.

You talk about Ed Miliband, the son of a Marxist academic, living in Primrose Hill, and attending 'Labour's Eton', as some have called it, and do not see that this is a world away from John Smith, born in a council estate in Smethwick, and going to the only school that is close enough. Until this gap is closed, the argument that 'not everyone can become Queen' is nonsense.

son of a jewish immigrant who went to a non-fee paying school, yes, that Ed Milliband. who as you say, now leads the party previously lead by John smith and had john prescott as deputy PM.

Eh, it's a matter of which angle you choose to describe him from, isn't it? Certainly, his parents were rich enough to move to America and back, twice, and his school has been considered a finishing school for Labour politicians. It was not an underprivilaged upbringing.

Gordon Brown, although at the time he denied the use of it, was actually lucky enough to be given a very special education resulting from educational experiments. His high school was at the time considered 'a beacon of excellence amongst high schools' by the Times, and he was clearly an exceptional child. If it takes all the stars colliding at once to get a John Smith in power, I think we're kidding ourselves if we say our system is entirely free. Prescott is one example of a union member who worked to the top from a relatively non-privilaged position. I'll give you one out of the ten or so you've mentioned so far. It's not sounding like a very fair system to me.