Should the British monarchy be abolished?

[The Godly Nations]

While we are at it, since all the people of America and Britain are supporting a government that is, or historically has, supported oppression, expliotation, and genocide, let's kill every single citizen.

LOL trying to twist my logic aren't you?

No, it is your logic, your argument was basically saying that the Monarchy was guilty by association, therefore, since the people are even more guilty for their association (they were the ones who elected the people in the first place), it follows that they should all be killed off.

[The Godly Nations]

Why not non-peaceful ones?

I support some violent separatist movements, not all. It depends on whether I believe that violence is justified in their situation. But I support ALL nonviolent separatist movements, as a matter of principle.

So, how about if several shops in the Walmart chain decides to break off and seperate peacefully?

[The Two Jerseys]

Hell no.

As an American, I would in fact prefer a hereditary monarch over an elected head of state who is more concerned with advancing their party's agenda than actually running the country for the benefit of the people.

[Cvtopia]

Hell no.

As an American, I would in fact prefer a hereditary monarch over an elected head of state who is more concerned with advancing their party's agenda than actually running the country for the benefit of the people.

What if that hereditary monarch has a mental disability or is a communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

[The Godly Nations]

Hell no.

As an American, I would in fact prefer a hereditary monarch over an elected head of state who is more concerned with advancing their party's agenda than actually running the country for the benefit of the people.

What if that hereditary monarch has a mental disability or is a communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

What if the people elected someone with a mental disability, or a Communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

[Great Nepal]

Hell no.

As an American, I would in fact prefer a hereditary monarch over an elected head of state who is more concerned with advancing their party's agenda than actually running the country for the benefit of the people.

What if that hereditary monarch has a mental disability or is a communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

Then, there is no difference. If s/he tries to do anything: people will remove the monarch with support of government.

[Cvtopia]

What if that hereditary monarch has a mental disability or is a communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

What if the people elected someone with a mental disability, or a Communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

I trust that the majority is not going to elect someone who fits that criteria.

You never answered my question.
Plus, we split from the UK for the VERY REASON of anti-monarchism, along with the problem of taxation without representation.

[The UK in Exile]

What if that hereditary monarch has a mental disability or is a communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

What if the people elected someone with a mental disability, or a Communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

then there is an opportunity to correct that mistake every four years, as opposed to never.

[Dumb Ideologies]

They're pretty harmless and good for fobbing off all the hand-shaking diplomatic wankery while the real politicans make the decisions. They also occasionally throw up an interesting scandal. I'm not sure what isn't to like.

[Great Nepal]

What if the people elected someone with a mental disability, or a Communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

then there is an opportunity to correct that mistake every four years, as opposed to never.

Elizabeth tries to rename UK into "United Soviet Communist Kingdom", announces genocide against Jews and declares war on France. One guess on what will happen one hour latter.

[The Godly Nations]

What if the people elected someone with a mental disability, or a Communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

then there is an opportunity to correct that mistake every four years, as opposed to never.

Monarchs usually can get booted out, and peacefully- like when we got rid of James II because he was Catholic. The vast Majority of the people no longer supported him so, and evidently so, that when Billy came to our shore, James just packed up and went to France.

[Cvtopia]

I support some violent separatist movements, not all. It depends on whether I believe that violence is justified in their situation. But I support ALL nonviolent separatist movements, as a matter of principle.

So, how about if several shops in the Walmart chain decides to break off and seperate peacefully?

Fine by me. But I'm not going to interfere with the internal affairs of a business corporation.

[The Godly Nations]

What if the people elected someone with a mental disability, or a Communist/Neo-Nazi/Neo-Fascist?

I trust that the majority is not going to elect someone who fits that criteria.

You never answered my question.
Plus, we split from the UK for the VERY REASON of anti-monarchism, along with the problem of taxation without representation.

No, you split not because of the Monarch (most of the Americans were fairly supportive of the monarch in the beginning, and certainly liked him better than the wankers in parliament then), they were pissed off that they were taxed for the War they started. The Anti-Monarchism came very much latter, after they've broken off and were fighting.

[Cvtopia]

then there is an opportunity to correct that mistake every four years, as opposed to never.

Elizabeth tries to rename UK into "United Soviet Communist Kingdom", announces genocide against Jews and declares war on France. One guess on what will happen one hour latter.

I wouldn't mind a war on those damn French...

[The Godly Nations]

Elizabeth tries to rename UK into "United Soviet Communist Kingdom", announces genocide against Jews and declares war on France. One guess on what will happen one hour latter.

I wouldn't mind a war on those damn French...

You are an American, you wouldn't mind war against anyone, so long as everyone fight against each other first, tire themselves out, and you can come in latter to claim the glory. Either that, or you fight against people armed with sticks and stones.

[The Oan Isles]

The British Monarchy is a symbol of British unity and continuity regardless of how shallow the people can be. The Monarchy maintains powers beyond that nominally accepted by the people and the monarchy gives their sad little rock a little something else besides how much they swear and how much they can complain about.

[The Two Jerseys]

I trust that the majority is not going to elect someone who fits that criteria.

You never answered my question.
Plus, we split from the UK for the VERY REASON of anti-monarchism, along with the problem of taxation without representation.

No, you split not because of the Monarch (most of the Americans were fairly supportive of the monarch in the beginning, and certainly liked him better than the wankers in parliament then), they were pissed off that they were taxed for the War they started. The Anti-Monarchism came very much latter, after they've broken off and were fighting.

Plus if I remember the numbers correctly, 1/4 of the population were rebels and 1/4 were loyalists, and the other half just wanted to mind their own business. So according to the will of the people, America should still be British.

[Cvtopia]

I wouldn't mind a war on those damn French...

You are an American, you wouldn't mind war against anyone, so long as everyone fight against each other first, tire themselves out, and you can come in latter to claim the glory. Either that, or you fight against people armed with sticks and stones.

Not true. I despise war. It is a tool of inperialist oppression. You obviously couldn't detect the sarcasm in that post.

[The UK in Exile]

then there is an opportunity to correct that mistake every four years, as opposed to never.

Monarchs usually can get booted out, and peacefully- like when we got rid of James II because he was Catholic. The vast Majority of the people no longer supported him so, and evidently so, that when Billy came to our shore, James just packed up and went to France.

and there are certainly no problems that linger to this day because of that.


alls well that ends well aye?

[The Godly Nations]

Monarchs usually can get booted out, and peacefully- like when we got rid of James II because he was Catholic. The vast Majority of the people no longer supported him so, and evidently so, that when Billy came to our shore, James just packed up and went to France.

and there are certainly no problems that linger to this day because of that.


alls well that ends well aye?

Ah, Irrational and Provocative Anti-Catholicism, a proud British Tradition.

♪It was old, but it was beautiful, and its colours they were fine,
It was worn in Derry, Aughrim, Einniskillen and the Boyne...

[Falcania]

So is the central thrust of your argument that no nation should be governed according to a hereditary system? If so, I agree - but the UK is not governed by the royal family any more than the USA is governed by the Washington Monument.

Or is it a privilege thing? That these people were born into privilege and that's unfair? Yes it is, you're completely right - but that's a bigger can of worms than just booting out the royals. Everyone carries privilege around with them. I suppose abolishing royal families would be a start, but you'd be a fool to assume that would set any real sort of ball rolling, because to eradicate unfairness through birth we would need to drastically reshape our entire culture. Lenin had a go. Mixed results, I hear.

[Viet Trung]

So is the central thrust of your argument that no nation should be governed according to a hereditary system? If so, I agree - but the UK is not governed by the royal family any more than the USA is governed by the Washington Monument.

Or is it a privilege thing? That these people were born into privilege and that's unfair? Yes it is, you're completely right - but that's a bigger can of worms than just booting out the royals. Everyone carries privilege around with them. I suppose abolishing royal families would be a start, but you'd be a fool to assume that would set any real sort of ball rolling, because to eradicate unfairness through birth we would need to drastically reshape our entire culture. Lenin had a go. Mixed results, I hear.

Let's have another go whilst trying not to repeat the mistakes/worst excesses of Lenin (i.e. some of the terror) - good idea, comrade!

[Forsher]

It balances.

A flippant response. The thing about monarchists is that their answers are inconsistent.

We shall see.

Either the monarch is symbolic or vitally important to government.

It can be both and it is. You see, the monarch is symbolic but even with what little power is still around they are important. You'll note that the GG's powers are derived from the Crown while the Queen is a symbol.

In the UK things are slightly different but the monarch is more symbollic of certain tradtions and the like rather than power itself.

Power rests with parliament or we need a monarch with reserve powers in case "democracy fails".

That is also not inconsistent. Parliament rules, yes. The thing about powers being in reserve is that they are used in reserve... not to rule as a matter of course.

The answer is straightforward you either accept we are equal or you don't. And monarchy is inconsistent with that value regardless of what caveats you impose on it.

I disagree.

I cannot vote in the Maori electorate but I consider myself to be equal with those who can. I see no difference.

[Valkalan]

No royalty. No untouchables. Meritocracy!

Who said a Monarchy had untouchables? That's the Moguls. You wouldn't believe how democratically similar the UK and the US are.

By "No royalty. No untouchables" I meant that I broadly disagree with the idea that one's worth is defined by birthright. And yes, I am aware that the differences between the US and UK are mainly cosmetic. I do however doubt in the integrity of their "democratic" machinations.

[Krownsinburg]

If they want it abolished, they'll march on Buckingham Palace, until then, the term 'King of England' still makes sense.