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Armed "Good Guys" in Schools

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No
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Vareiln
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:03 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Vareiln wrote:You DO realize that it's very much a real gun, no?

No, I don't. I'm not a gun enthusiasts. I've shot a few times, but would hardly pretend to know all the makes or models or keep up with all the new toys. I'm unfamiliar with the product, and vague references are not very illuminating.

This is so very rich.
You know little about guns, yet you debate gun politics.

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Postby Defensor » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:04 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Defensor wrote:Same :) I love the smell, how accomplished you feel afterward, it's just all around a good experiance.

The smell? I dunno if you shoot trap, but I can tell you that the smell is not the enjoyable part. :?
Or maybe that's just because of shotgun.

I was more thinking target shooting with a bolt or carbine, but yes, shotguns in general = messy :p
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Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

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Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:04 pm

I like that "hur hur, you're not as in to guns as we are," is a counter argument. Absolutely brilliant.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:04 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Thah was a real gun. See, most anti-gun people do not know much beyond the "it's a gun, it's bad" mantra.

Please show me where I have sad guns are bad.


Most of your posts have been along the lines of "guns are bad".
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:05 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Choronzon wrote:No, I don't. I'm not a gun enthusiasts. I've shot a few times, but would hardly pretend to know all the makes or models or keep up with all the new toys. I'm unfamiliar with the product, and vague references are not very illuminating.

This is so very rich.
You know little about guns, yet you debate gun politics.

I do not have to be a fire arms enthusiast to know about gun politics or understand facts and statistics.

Whats rich is that you think there is a connection. Arguably (and this thread is really good proof of this) gun enthusiasts are less qualified to debate gun politics.

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Postby Defensor » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:05 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Defensor wrote:Same :) I love the smell, how accomplished you feel afterward, it's just all around a good experiance.


Range time is a good, relaxing way of spending money. No different from say a dinner and a movie.

I agree :geek:
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Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby Ralnis » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:06 pm

well all i have to say is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP_n4ENwh3A
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:06 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Choronzon wrote:No, I don't. I'm not a gun enthusiasts. I've shot a few times, but would hardly pretend to know all the makes or models or keep up with all the new toys. I'm unfamiliar with the product, and vague references are not very illuminating.

This is so very rich.
You know little about guns, yet you debate gun politics.


Most people against abortions will never have one (for physiological reasons). Doesn't stop them.
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:06 pm

Choronzon wrote:I like that "hur hur, you're not as in to guns as we are," is a counter argument. Absolutely brilliant.

Great way to misrepresent my counter argument.
You don't know about the thing you're arguing about. That's pretty much similar to what goes on in the average "lol communism is teh bad" threads in NSG.

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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:06 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Please show me where I have sad guns are bad.


Most of your posts have been along the lines of "guns are bad".

No, most of my posts have been along the lines of, "The NRA's idea is stupid," "Our gun policies aren't working" and "Guns are designed to kill."


Tell me, do you actually read my posts, are do you just conjure up a statement you think I'm making and go from there.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:07 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I like that "hur hur, you're not as in to guns as we are," is a counter argument. Absolutely brilliant.

Great way to misrepresent my counter argument.
You don't know about the thing you're arguing about. That's pretty much similar to what goes on in the average "lol communism is teh bad" threads in NSG.


Actually most of those threads are pro-socialist or communist from what ive seen, and there is always the classic anti-israel/america thread.
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:07 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Vareiln wrote:This is so very rich.
You know little about guns, yet you debate gun politics.

I do not have to be a fire arms enthusiast to know about gun politics or understand facts and statistics.

Whats rich is that you think there is a connection. Arguably (and this thread is really good proof of this) gun enthusiasts are less qualified to debate gun politics.

You don't have to be an enthusiast, but you should know quite a bit about them. Otherwise, you're opinion is about as valid as a public-schooled 12 year old's on communism.

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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:07 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I like that "hur hur, you're not as in to guns as we are," is a counter argument. Absolutely brilliant.

Great way to misrepresent my counter argument.
You don't know about the thing you're arguing about. That's pretty much similar to what goes on in the average "lol communism is teh bad" threads in NSG.



Vareiln wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I do not have to be a fire arms enthusiast to know about gun politics or understand facts and statistics.

Whats rich is that you think there is a connection. Arguably (and this thread is really good proof of this) gun enthusiasts are less qualified to debate gun politics.

You don't have to be an enthusiast, but you should know quite a bit about them. Otherwise, you're opinion is about as valid as a public-schooled 12 year old's on communism.


No, I do know quite a bit about what I'm arguing about. I am talking about gun crime rates and gun crime rate solutions. I understand how to read a graph or a chart.

I am not arguing about make, models, or types of guns. Because I don't care.
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:07 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Vareiln wrote:This is so very rich.
You know little about guns, yet you debate gun politics.


Most people against abortions will never have one (for physiological reasons). Doesn't stop them.

Good point.

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Postby Defensor » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:08 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Vareiln wrote:This is so very rich.
You know little about guns, yet you debate gun politics.

I do not have to be a fire arms enthusiast to know about gun politics or understand facts and statistics.

Whats rich is that you think there is a connection. Arguably (and this thread is really good proof of this) gun enthusiasts are less qualified to debate gun politics.

Idk about that, but it does help to have a working knowledge of your subject before you making sound decisions on their fate :blink:
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Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby Zutroy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:08 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Fucking assholes. Being pissed that 20 kids are now dead because of asinine policies pushed for by the gun lobby.


Yep. There is no problem. Gun violence is not a huge issue in America. Keep your head in the sand and keep buying the propaganda the NRA feeds you.


20 kids were gunned down while at school. Are you seriously saying this is being blown out of proportion?

Fuck off. Trying to prevent the massacre of children after a massacre is called trying to prevent a fucking massacre.

What a childish view of things.


You know, Boths sides of the gun debate politicizing the deaths of 20 children is pretty godsdamn sickening.

Edit: And yes, even I am guilty.


No, it's not sickening. It's an inherently political issue whether people like it or not. What's sickening is when people attack any proposed action with the "this is not the time" crap and the gun law fatalism, and offer useless bromides like "prayer" and "thoughts" in place of anything qualitative.
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:08 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Most people against abortions will never have one (for physiological reasons). Doesn't stop them.

Good point.

That, and everything about the connection you're trying to make is asinine, because you have no other arguments. Its actually rather contemptible.

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Vareiln
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:09 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Great way to misrepresent my counter argument.
You don't know about the thing you're arguing about. That's pretty much similar to what goes on in the average "lol communism is teh bad" threads in NSG.

No, I do know quite a bit about what I'm arguing about. I am talking about gun crime rates and gun crime rate solutions. I understand how to read a graph or a chart.

I am not arguing about make, models, or types of guns. Because I don't care.

Hmm... It seems I was mistaken. I apologize.
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:10 pm

Defensor wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I do not have to be a fire arms enthusiast to know about gun politics or understand facts and statistics.

Whats rich is that you think there is a connection. Arguably (and this thread is really good proof of this) gun enthusiasts are less qualified to debate gun politics.

Idk about that, but it does help to have a working knowledge of your subject before you making sound decisions on their fate :blink:

I do have a working knowledge on the subject. I understand how to read charts and graphs. I understand gun crime rates and political lobbiests. I understand how gun policies work, and I know the history of gun policy.

I am not talking about types of guns. I wouldn't ever get into a debate about what model is better for this or what make is better for that. Because I don't know anything about that.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:10 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Most of your posts have been along the lines of "guns are bad".

No, most of my posts have been along the lines of, "The NRA's idea is stupid," "Our gun policies aren't working" and "Guns are designed to kill."


Tell me, do you actually read my posts, are do you just conjure up a statement you think I'm making and go from there.


Fair enough. I will adress (again) the points in this one post quoted:

The NRAs idea is not stupid. They wish to defend our most precious resource: Children.

Our gun policies are not working, because our gun policies enable the criminal be armed while putting up any number of roadblocks to the law-abiding.

Guns are not designed to kill. Some are, some aren't.
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Postby Defensor » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:11 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Defensor wrote:Idk about that, but it does help to have a working knowledge of your subject before you making sound decisions on their fate :blink:

I do have a working knowledge on the subject. I understand how to read charts and graphs. I understand gun crime rates and political lobbiests. I understand how gun policies work, and I know the history of gun policy.

I am not talking about types of guns. I wouldn't ever get into a debate about what model is better for this or what make is better for that. Because I don't know anything about that.

Good point. And tbh I agree with some of your standpoints, but why so aggressive towards the opposition?
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Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:11 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I like that "hur hur, you're not as in to guns as we are," is a counter argument. Absolutely brilliant.

Great way to misrepresent my counter argument.
You don't know about the thing you're arguing about. That's pretty much similar to what goes on in the average "lol communism is teh bad" threads in NSG.

Does one need to understand scriptwriting, casting, shooting, and editing throughout pre-production, production, and post-production to criticize whether or not a movie was good or not?

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Postby HOlY Christus Krieger » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:11 pm

I think its a good idea

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:12 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Choronzon wrote:No, I don't. I'm not a gun enthusiasts. I've shot a few times, but would hardly pretend to know all the makes or models or keep up with all the new toys. I'm unfamiliar with the product, and vague references are not very illuminating.

This is so very rich.
You know little about guns, yet you debate gun politics.

I bet that people who don't know "crank" from "crystal" still seek to control the spread of drugs.
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:12 pm

Gauntleted Fist wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Great way to misrepresent my counter argument.
You don't know about the thing you're arguing about. That's pretty much similar to what goes on in the average "lol communism is teh bad" threads in NSG.

Does one need to understand scriptwriting, casting, shooting, and editing throughout pre-production, production, and post-production to criticize whether or not a movie was good or not?

No, but one should if they're going to tell someone how to make a movie.

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