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Armed "Good Guys" in Schools

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No
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Gauthier
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:55 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:Anyways, you could just, you know, abide by the 2nd Amendment and let people own guns.

Not sure who's arguing people can't use guns.

Are you done with the straw men?


You should know standard procedure by now.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:55 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Choronzon wrote:More of this childish "reasonable gun control laws are punishing meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" bullshit?

The laws that the Obama administration are trying to push through are by NO means reasonable.

Background checks are unreasonable?
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Bafuria wrote:
Choronzon wrote:More of this childish "reasonable gun control laws are punishing meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" bullshit?


I'm in favor of reasonable gun control laws.

An assault weapons ban isn't one of them.


I don't think I've ever advocated for an assault weapon ban.

I'm undecided on the assault weapon ban. I'm far more concerned with things like magazine capacity.

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Postby Vazdania » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Vazdania wrote:The laws that the Obama administration are trying to push through are by NO means reasonable.

Background checks are unreasonable?


Quite. XD
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Choronzon wrote:More of this childish "reasonable gun control laws are punishing meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" bullshit?

The laws that the Obama administration are trying to push through are by NO means reasonable.

I wasn't aware he was pushing ANY gun laws yet. Are you done with the fear-mongering?
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Postby Forsher » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130

The US has observed a moment of silence for the 26 victims of the Connecticut school shooting, as a gun lobby group called for armed security at schools.

Bells in Newtown tolled 26 times, one week after 20 children and six adults died at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

In Washington, the National Rifle Association called for "good guys" to be armed for "absolute protection".


More via link.


Good idea? Or bad?

I say bad...not good to have more guns in schools. What good would it do?


I'm fundamentally opposed to the idea. Schools shouldn't have police officers in them. The police shouldn't have guns. And money should be spent sensibly.

Seriously, there are better and cheaper ways of trying to reduce these massacres. Gun licences are a good idea.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:56 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Background checks are unreasonable?


Quite. XD

Why?
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:57 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Just because you don't like an argument doesn't mean its wrong.

You're right.

The argument being bullshit is what makes it wrong.

What a superior counter argument.

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Postby Vazdania » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:57 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:The laws that the Obama administration are trying to push through are by NO means reasonable.

I wasn't aware he was pushing ANY gun laws yet. Are you done with the fear-mongering?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/us/po ... d=all&_r=0
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:57 pm

Forsher wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130



More via link.


Good idea? Or bad?

I say bad...not good to have more guns in schools. What good would it do?


I'm fundamentally opposed to the idea. Schools shouldn't have police officers in them. The police shouldn't have guns. And money should be spent sensibly.

Seriously, there are better and cheaper ways of trying to reduce these massacres. Gun licences are a good idea.


Notice the exact same people who call public school teachers parasites now demand they be armed bodyguards.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Abatael » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:57 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:Anyways, you could just, you know, abide by the 2nd Amendment and let people own guns.

Not sure who's arguing people can't use guns.

Are you done with the straw men?


This one British boy on here. Though he is a Communist, and you two probably don't see eye to eye.

But, out of curiosity, what system do you want concerning gun policy?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:57 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:
Quite. XD

Why?

Because spamming is fun.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:57 pm

Forsher wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130



More via link.


Good idea? Or bad?

I say bad...not good to have more guns in schools. What good would it do?


I'm fundamentally opposed to the idea. Schools shouldn't have police officers in them. The police shouldn't have guns. And money should be spent sensibly.

Seriously, there are better and cheaper ways of trying to reduce these massacres. Gun licences are a good idea.


Maybe not police, but a school security officer? Like a security guard in a mall. One for every school, first line of defence etc.
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:
Quite. XD

Why?

because.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Abatael wrote:This one British boy on here. Though he is a Communist, and you two probably don't see eye to eye.

But, out of curiosity, what system do you want concerning gun policy?

So no one?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I wasn't aware he was pushing ANY gun laws yet. Are you done with the fear-mongering?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/us/po ... d=all&_r=0

the president signaled his support for new limits on high-capacity clips and assault weapons, as well as a desire to close regulatory loopholes affecting gun shows.

Entirely reasonable.
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Maybe not police, but a school security officer?

Northern Illinois University has an armed and trained state police force on campus at all times.

It did not help when NIU was shot up.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Forsher wrote:
I'm fundamentally opposed to the idea. Schools shouldn't have police officers in them. The police shouldn't have guns. And money should be spent sensibly.

Seriously, there are better and cheaper ways of trying to reduce these massacres. Gun licences are a good idea.


Maybe not police, but a school security officer? Like a security guard in a mall. One for every school, first line of defence etc.


Virginia Tech had police, and that did shitall to reduce casualties.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:59 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Why?

because.

Your joking right? Hold old are you?
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Postby Abatael » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:59 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:This one British boy on here. Though he is a Communist, and you two probably don't see eye to eye.

But, out of curiosity, what system do you want concerning gun policy?

So no one?


No, I didn't make him up: here's his post, viewtopic.php?p=12159906#p12159906

And answer my question please.
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:because.

Your joking right? Hold old are you?

Not too old to spam.

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Postby The Mercenary Peoples » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:00 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Maybe not police, but a school security officer? Like a security guard in a mall. One for every school, first line of defence etc.


Virginia Tech had police, and that did shitall to reduce casualties.


VT is a hell of alot bigger then most schools 2-5 police officers in a average size school should be reasonable.
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:00 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Maybe not police, but a school security officer? Like a security guard in a mall. One for every school, first line of defence etc.


Virginia Tech had police, and that did shitall to reduce casualties.

If NSG's gun owners had been allowed to carry their boomsticks on them then they'd have saved everyone's life, Bruce Willis style.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:00 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:You're right.

The argument being bullshit is what makes it wrong.

What a superior counter argument.

It contains just as much substance as the original argument. With zero carbs!

Because there exist people in this world who fire guns yet never hunt.
In fact, there exist people in this world who fire guns at human-shaped targets and never hunt.
It's fuckin' mind-blowing I know.
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Postby Vazdania » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:because.

Your joking right? Hold old are you?

Background checks are fine...I suppose....the only people who shouldn't have guns are those who've committed a felony, the mentally unstable, the mentally handicapped, and that's about it...
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