NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[Choronzon]

I want crystal meth. I wont hurt anyone while on it.

Why am I being punished for other people's actions?

The argument that you're being punished because we regulate killing machines is absurd.

I think we should ban cars because they're more dangerous than guns.

What's going to kill more people, a 5,000 lbs piece of steel and fiberglass moving at 30 mph, or a .22", 62 grain piece of metal flying at 900 m/s in a straight line?

Because cars have other purposes aside from killing.

[Vazdania]

Guys, why are we even talking about this shooting out in that place called Connecticut (wherever that is!)? Its not a big deal! Only 20 kids were gunned down while in school, and only a few of teachers! Why do we need to talk about guns? Why do we even care? You're all blowing it way out of proportion!

I guess you can just not take into account the lives of 20 first graders.....

[Galla-]

I think we should ban cars because they're more dangerous than guns.

What's going to kill more people, a 5,000 lbs piece of steel and fiberglass moving at 30 mph, or a .22", 62 grain piece of metal flying at 900 m/s in a straight line?

Because cars have other purposes aside from killing.

So do firearms.

[Big Jim P]

I think we should ban cars because they're more dangerous than guns.

What's going to kill more people, a 5,000 lbs piece of steel and fiberglass moving at 30 mph, or a .22", 62 grain piece of metal flying at 900 m/s in a straight line?

Because cars have other purposes aside from killing.

So do guns.

[Genivaria]

Because cars have other purposes aside from killing.

So do guns.

Such as?

[Machtergreifung]

Well, the US has a lot of unemployed veterans who I suspect would be delighted to look after children, so you could potentially kill two birds with one stone by lowering the amount of unemployed veterans and having personnel onsite already trained and knowing how to responsibly use firearms. Plus, if you have a former medic at each school, they can provide immediate first-aid and more to any victim.

If they asked for veterans I'm sure this might be more support.

"No PTSD sufferers in my classrooms!" Average American response so said proposal.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I want to buy an AR-15 (I don't, but let's assume I do).

I want a number of features on it, including high-capacity magazines, an adjustable stock and a "shoulder thingie that goes up" (barrel shroud). So it is more comfortable to use for my intended purpose, putting holes in paper from a hundred yards away.

If the assault weapons ban gets re-instituted, guess what I can't get anymore? I am being punished for the actions of another.

I want crystal meth. I wont hurt anyone while on it.

Why am I being punished for other people's actions (1)?

The argument that you're being punished because we regulate killing machines is absurd (2).

1) You act as if that doesn't entirely contradict your point. The whole argument for banning or strictly regulating drugs like crystal meth is they have a profound impact on one's mental faculties and whilst on them one may not reason as well as they should and take actions they otherwise wouldn't that could harm another. Guess what guns don't affect? Mental faculties. Guess who is already prohibited from purchasing guns? People who have been proven to not have fully functioning mental faculties.

2) The argument that somehow no one should be able to own one of these rifles because a wackjob stole one from someone who legally owned it is significantly more absurd. In fact, it borders on a mental condition that should probably restrict one from being able to purchase a firearm.

[Northern Dominus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130

The US has observed a moment of silence for the 26 victims of the Connecticut school shooting, as a gun lobby group called for armed security at schools.

Bells in Newtown tolled 26 times, one week after 20 children and six adults died at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

In Washington, the National Rifle Association called for "good guys" to be armed for "absolute protection".

More via link.


Good idea? Or bad?

I say bad...not good to have more guns in schools. What good would it do?

Ah the NRA. Blaming gun violence on everything else except the proliferation of firearms in this country without regulation keeping pace.

I'd love to say I'm shocked, but I'm not. And somehow that's even more depressing, that they can't take the hint that things can't be the same from here on out.

Making guns harder to get is not punishing anyone. Its a matter of public safety.

Really, this isn't that hard to grasp.

I want to buy an AR-15 (I don't, but let's assume I do).

I want a number of features on it, including high-capacity magazines, an adjustable stock and a "shoulder thingie that goes up" (barrel shroud). So it is more comfortable to use for my intended purpose, putting holes in paper from a hundred yards away.

If the assault weapons ban gets re-instituted, guess what I can't get anymore? I am being punished for the actions of another.

Oh no, you'll have to use a 5 to 15 round magazine instead of a 30 round magazine. Whatever will you do!....

Ooor you could buy a Mossberg Plinkster which is just as comfy as an AR-15 clone. Hell it even has a fun name, plinkster.

Or, even better, you could find a simple internal-magazine bolt-action or lever-action rifle and become a better shooter that way. I've never understood that, aside from the military fetish there's really no reason not to get a firearm where you have to work the action in order to reload and re-cock. It's simpler, less prone to breakage, plus it's more gratifying in the way, feeling the parts do their thing.

[Liriena]

I am being punished for the actions of another.

No. You are merely being asked to contribute to a greater overall safety to your population by relinquishing the idea of purchasing military grade weapons you most likely will NEVER need in real life, when a simple .38 could do the job for home security, and you don't need an assault weapon to hunt deer.

[Choronzon]

Source please.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ed-states/

6. The South is the most violent region in the United States.
In a subsequent post, Healy drilled further into the numbers and looked at deaths due to assault in different regions of the country. Just as the United States is a clear outlier in the international context, the South is a clear outlier in the national context:

8. More guns tend to mean more homicide.
The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found that there’s substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you’re looking at different countries or different states. Citations here.

9. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.
Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:

But this data is probably just biased against our Second Amendment rights. I bet its made up of those liberal numbers I keep hearing so much about.

[Big Jim P]

So do guns.

Such as?

Self defense for one.

[Sdaeriji]

this worked so effectively in columbine. also, too, fort hood.


fuck the NRAMBLA. wanye lapierre's head should be on a stick.

This is why I'm no longer a member. I love my guns, but the NRA has gotten so singularly focused on "guns = good" at all times that they're press releasing themselves into irrelevancy instead of working with the other side to create sensible restrictions on firearms. If they continue on this scorched earth path when it comes to the gun control debate, they are going to marginalize themselves to such a degree that public opinion is going to swing inevitably towards blanket firearm bans, and there'll be no one with any sort of clout in Washington to actually defend gun owners if the government does actually try to take away legal firearms.

I want a lobbyist group that defends my right to own handguns and rifles for protection and/or hunting and/or recreation whilst recognizing that there's no practical civilian application to assault rifles, so maybe there's some ground to be given up there. The more times they react to mass shootings with "MOAR DAKKA", the more they caricaturize themselves as out-of-touch zealots who can be safely ignored.

Nidal Hasan was able to kill 13 people on a military base, for god's sake. Armed guards did not stop him and it won't stop anyone else determined to do things like this. The answer has to be in identifying and preempting the people who are planning these sorts of things, and not repeatedly ignoring the multitude of warning signs that we invariably learn were all over the place prior to their massacres.

[Ostroeuropa]

Such as?

Self defense for one.

That's killing by the way.
He never specified murder.

[Abatael]

Making guns harder to get is not punishing anyone. Its a matter of public safety.

Really, this isn't that hard to grasp.

Lies, this shooting happened and now all the liberals are pissed and pushing this as hard as they can over a dumb ass incident that is rare compared to the amount of gun-owners that are law abiding citizens, the situation has been blow sky high out of proportion and using it as an excuse to push their anti-gun agenda.

one bad thing happens and now everyone has to deal with more regulations, if that's not punishment I don't know what is.

What's worse is that the liberals are trying to capitalize on and politicize the death of over twenty innocent Americans.
Have they no shame? Are they that desperate and depraved?

[Genivaria]

Such as?

Self defense for one.

And what non-lethal way does one defend oneself with a gun?
Unless we're counting pistol-whipping here.

[Choronzon]

Because cars have other purposes aside from killing.

So do guns.

Honing ones killing skills through marksmanship competitions do not count as "other purposes."

Try again.

[Choronzon]

Such as?

Self defense for one.

How does that not count?

[Mavorpen]

What's worse is that the liberals are trying to capitalize on and politicize the death of over twenty innocent Americans.
Have they no shame? Are they that desperate and depraved?

Ah yes. People who want to discuss how we can prevent a tragedy from happening are the bad guys, while the people who bend over for the NRA and pretend as though there's nothing wrong are the good guys.

Seems legit.

[Gauthier]

Because cars have other purposes aside from killing.

So do guns.

So can guns do anything besides put projectiles into targets with the idea of making that target dead?

Cars can carry people and cargo to distant places. Guns can only carry bullets to distant places.

False Equivalence is a helluva drug.

[Abatael]

What's worse is that the liberals are trying to capitalize on and politicize the death of over twenty innocent Americans.
Have they no shame? Are they that desperate and depraved?

Ah yes. People who want to discuss how we can prevent a tragedy from happening are the bad guys, while the people who bend over for the NRA and pretend as though there's nothing wrong are the good guys.

Seems legit.

You don't care about them.
You just want to push your agenda by any means necessary.

[Choronzon]

1) You act as if that doesn't entirely contradict your point. The whole argument for banning or strictly regulating drugs like crystal meth is they have a profound impact on one's mental faculties and whilst on them one may not reason as well as they should and take actions they otherwise wouldn't that could harm another. Guess what guns don't affect? Mental faculties. Guess who is already prohibited from purchasing guns? People who have been proven to not have fully functioning mental faculties.

And this is clearly working!

I didn't contradict my own point. I illustrated why yours was absurd. You're now bringing up another point.

2) The argument that somehow no one should be able to own one of these rifles because a wackjob stole one from someone who legally owned it is significantly more absurd. In fact, it borders on a mental condition that should probably restrict one from being able to purchase a firearm.

Luckily no one has said no one should be able to own a firearm.

Real, this FOX News style false dichotomy where you either support arming every backwoods yokel with an automatic weapon to defend us from tyranny or you want to TAKE AWAY OUR BOOMSTICKS needs to stop.

[Genivaria]

Ah yes. People who want to discuss how we can prevent a tragedy from happening are the bad guys, while the people who bend over for the NRA and pretend as though there's nothing wrong are the good guys.

Seems legit.

You don't care about them.
You just want to push your agenda by any means necessary.

Thats a rather bold claim to make, I assume you have proof Mr. Mindreader?

[Mavorpen]

You don't care about them.
You just want to push your agenda by any means necessary.

Decreasing the amount of gun violence is indeed an agenda. I'm still waiting on why that's a bad agenda.

[Gauthier]

Ah yes. People who want to discuss how we can prevent a tragedy from happening are the bad guys, while the people who bend over for the NRA and pretend as though there's nothing wrong are the good guys.

Seems legit.

You don't care about them.
You just want to push your agenda by any means necessary.

Why do people make a big deal about 20 children gunned down anyways? More people die every day by other means.

[Liriena]

What's worse is that the liberals are trying to capitalize on and politicize the death of over twenty innocent Americans.
Have they no shame? Are they that desperate and depraved?

More like we are rightfully outraged at the fact that this sort of horror keeps happening over and over and the right-wing still hasn't even dared give a thought to the possibility that maybe guns are not the solution but part of a bigger problem. And maybe we are so shocked by this atrocity that we desperately want this to NEVER happen again, and are willing to talk about sensible ways to prevent it.