NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[Zutroy]

I'll support arming teachers if we triple their pay. They don't make enough to be bodyguards.

Your move, right wing.

I will support a total gun ban just as soon as you can insure the security of the average citizen.

Your move, Left wing.

Alright. We'll start by rebuilding police forces that have been gutted by cuts, then we'll rebuild the mental health infrastructure that's been gutted by cuts? How's that?

Willing to pay for it? Or are you not that interested in ensuring the security of the average citizen?

[North Calaveras]

I will support a total gun ban just as soon as you can insure the security of the average citizen.

Your move, Left wing.

I don't see many people talking about a total gun ban. But keep fighting phantoms.

No but I see a lot of hypocrites coming from the left

" Oh lets not punish the majority for the acts of the minority.....except guns...then well be fat hypocrites"

[Big Jim P]

Missed my earlier post about arming the law abiding weeding out the lunatics, did we? Not everyone carrying a gun is insane (although a certain part of the populations does tend to demonize ANY gun owner).

I grasped your earlier point. Even better would be arming the law-enforcing to weed out the lunatics, instead of obsessively looking for a way to get out of paying for the law enforcement and mental health infrastructure that we all need to buckle down and pay for. Doing the latter is taking real responsibility---not hoping some cream-of-the-crop private gun-owners will fix it all and blaming gun-averse people for being cowards.

Why pay for something that you can do yourself? If you are dependent on another for your security, then you are a child. Like many of the dead who depended upon the adults responsible for their care. The adults that failed through no fault of their own.

[Uiiop]

source for the citizens bit please.

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/j ... protection

Looks like a think tank so let's have a look....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... a#Decision ah a source in your source it seems to not be a supreme court decision so it only holds in Washington d.c the other one appears to be in California and not a national level and the rest seem to be biased sources so sorry but not very moving.

[Ostroeuropa]

If guns are going to be available, this is probably a good idea to be honest.
Better that the guns were made unavailable though.

[Choronzon]

I don't see many people talking about a total gun ban. But keep fighting phantoms.

No but I see a lot of hypocrites coming from the left

" Oh lets not punish the majority for the acts of the minority.....except guns...then well be fat hypocrites"

Making guns harder to get is not punishing anyone. Its a matter of public safety.

Really, this isn't that hard to grasp.

[Big Jim P]

I will support a total gun ban just as soon as you can insure the security of the average citizen.

Your move, Left wing.

Alright. We'll start by rebuilding police forces that have been gutted by cuts, then we'll rebuild the mental health infrastructure that's been gutted by cuts? How's that?

Willing to pay for it? Or are you not that interested in ensuring the security of the average citizen?

Or we can just take responsibility for our own security.

[Big Jim P]

I don't see many people talking about a total gun ban. But keep fighting phantoms.

No but I see a lot of hypocrites coming from the left

" Oh lets not punish the majority for the acts of the minority.....except guns...then well be fat hypocrites"

Nicer than I would have put it.

[North Calaveras]

No but I see a lot of hypocrites coming from the left

" Oh lets not punish the majority for the acts of the minority.....except guns...then well be fat hypocrites"

Making guns harder to get is not punishing anyone. Its a matter of public safety.

Really, this isn't that hard to grasp.

Lies, this shooting happened and now all the liberals are pissed and pushing this as hard as they can over a dumb ass incident that is rare compared to the amount of gun-owners that are law abiding citizens, the situation has been blow sky high out of proportion and using it as an excuse to push their anti-gun agenda.

one bad thing happens and now everyone has to deal with more regulations, if that's not punishment I don't know what is.

[Choronzon]

Lies, this shooting happened and now all the liberals are pissed

Fucking assholes. Being pissed that 20 kids are now dead because of asinine policies pushed for by the gun lobby.

and pushing this as hard as they can over a dumb ass incident that is rare compared to the amount of gun-owners that are law abiding citizens,

Yep. There is no problem. Gun violence is not a huge issue in America. Keep your head in the sand and keep buying the propaganda the NRA feeds you.

the situation has been blow sky high out of proportion

20 kids were gunned down while at school. Are you seriously saying this is being blown out of proportion?

and using it as an excuse to push their anti-gun agenda.

Fuck off. Trying to prevent the massacre of children after a massacre is called trying to prevent a fucking massacre.

one bad thing happens and now everyone has to deal with more regulations, if that's not punishment I don't know what is.

What a childish view of things.

[Big Jim P]

Lies, this shooting happened and now all the liberals are pissed

Fucking assholes. Being pissed that 20 kids are now dead because of asinine policies pushed for by the gun lobby.

and pushing this as hard as they can over a dumb ass incident that is rare compared to the amount of gun-owners that are law abiding citizens,

Yep. There is no problem. Gun violence is not a huge issue in America. Keep your head in the sand and keep buying the propaganda the NRA feeds you.

the situation has been blow sky high out of proportion

20 kids were gunned down while at school. Are you seriously saying this is being blown out of proportion?

and using it as an excuse to push their anti-gun agenda.

Fuck off. Trying to prevent the massacre of children after a massacre is called trying to prevent a fucking massacre.

one bad thing happens and now everyone has to deal with more regulations, if that's not punishment I don't know what is.

What a childish view of things.

You know, Boths sides of the gun debate politicizing the deaths of 20 children is pretty godsdamn sickening.

Edit: And yes, even I am guilty.

[Cvtopia]

Lies, this shooting happened and now all the liberals are pissed

Fucking assholes. Being pissed that 20 kids are now dead because of asinine policies pushed for by the gun lobby.

and pushing this as hard as they can over a dumb ass incident that is rare compared to the amount of gun-owners that are law abiding citizens,

Yep. There is no problem. Gun violence is not a huge issue in America. Keep your head in the sand and keep buying the propaganda the NRA feeds you.

the situation has been blow sky high out of proportion

20 kids were gunned down while at school. Are you seriously saying this is being blown out of proportion?

and using it as an excuse to push their anti-gun agenda.

Fuck off. Trying to prevent the massacre of children after a massacre is called trying to prevent a fucking massacre.

one bad thing happens and now everyone has to deal with more regulations, if that's not punishment I don't know what is.

What a childish view of things.

Stop ingesting the Brady campaign propaganda.

[Occupied Deutschland]

No but I see a lot of hypocrites coming from the left

" Oh lets not punish the majority for the acts of the minority.....except guns...then well be fat hypocrites"

Making guns harder to get is not punishing anyone. Its a matter of public safety.

Really, this isn't that hard to grasp.

I want to buy an AR-15 (I don't, but let's assume I do).

I want a number of features on it, including high-capacity magazines, an adjustable stock and a "shoulder thingie that goes up" (barrel shroud). So it is more comfortable to use for my intended purpose, putting holes in paper from a hundred yards away.

If the assault weapons ban gets re-instituted, guess what I can't get anymore? I am being punished for the actions of another.

[North Calaveras]

Lies, this shooting happened and now all the liberals are pissed

Fucking assholes. Being pissed that 20 kids are now dead because of asinine policies pushed for by the gun lobby.

and pushing this as hard as they can over a dumb ass incident that is rare compared to the amount of gun-owners that are law abiding citizens,

Yep. There is no problem. Gun violence is not a huge issue in America. Keep your head in the sand and keep buying the propaganda the NRA feeds you.

the situation has been blow sky high out of proportion

20 kids were gunned down while at school. Are you seriously saying this is being blown out of proportion?

and using it as an excuse to push their anti-gun agenda.

Fuck off. Trying to prevent the massacre of children after a massacre is called trying to prevent a fucking massacre.

one bad thing happens and now everyone has to deal with more regulations, if that's not punishment I don't know what is.

What a childish view of things.

there are 39 to 50% of housholds with guns in the US and this tiny event happens, YES they are blowing it out of proportion, get off your high horse and get real.

[Choronzon]

Fucking assholes. Being pissed that 20 kids are now dead because of asinine policies pushed for by the gun lobby.


Yep. There is no problem. Gun violence is not a huge issue in America. Keep your head in the sand and keep buying the propaganda the NRA feeds you.


20 kids were gunned down while at school. Are you seriously saying this is being blown out of proportion?

Fuck off. Trying to prevent the massacre of children after a massacre is called trying to prevent a fucking massacre.

What a childish view of things.

You know, Boths sides of the gun debate politicizing the deaths of 20 children is pretty godsdamn sickening.

Edit: And yes, even I am guilty.

No one is politicizing anything. Talking about preventing further tragedies after a tragedy is not politicizing an issue. Pretending otherwise is an argument in favor of a broken status quo, and that is "godsdamn sickening."

[Socialist EU]

I don't see why people think this is a bad idea.

So you're not really a libertarian then.

[Choronzon]

there are 39 to 50 of housholds with guns in the US and this tiny event happens,

Tiny event?
Christ, I didn't think it was possible for me to have any less respect for you. Way to continue to surprise.

YES they are blowing it out of proportion

Tell that to the town that just saw 20 children gunned down.

get off your high horse and get real.

I am getting real. It is the gun lobby that needs to "get real." There is a correlation between number of guns in a region and the number of gun deaths. States with tighter gun laws tend to have lower rates of gun violence.These are facts. Statistics. Numbers. Ignoring them or suppressing them in favor of rhetoric and propaganda (the gun lobby's preferred method for dealing with arguments it finds inconvenient) doesn't make them go away.

[Choronzon]

Making guns harder to get is not punishing anyone. Its a matter of public safety.

Really, this isn't that hard to grasp.

I want to buy an AR-15 (I don't, but let's assume I do).

I want a number of features on it, including high-capacity magazines, an adjustable stock and a "shoulder thingie that goes up" (barrel shroud). So it is more comfortable to use for my intended purpose, putting holes in paper from a hundred yards away.

If the assault weapons ban gets re-instituted, guess what I can't get anymore? I am being punished for the actions of another.

I want crystal meth. I wont hurt anyone while on it.

Why am I being punished for other people's actions?

The argument that you're being punished because we regulate killing machines is absurd.

[Saiwania]

If any guns become illegal I will choose to never relinquish it to the authorities. I will hide it in a secret location just for the sake of having it. I couldn't use it for anything and it would be a constant liability to worry about, but it is thrilling to have an item the vast majority of everyone else won't have after being disarmed.

[Galla-]

I want to buy an AR-15 (I don't, but let's assume I do).

I want a number of features on it, including high-capacity magazines, an adjustable stock and a "shoulder thingie that goes up" (barrel shroud). So it is more comfortable to use for my intended purpose, putting holes in paper from a hundred yards away.

If the assault weapons ban gets re-instituted, guess what I can't get anymore? I am being punished for the actions of another.

I want crystal meth. I wont hurt anyone while on it.

Why am I being punished for other people's actions?

The argument that you're being punished because we regulate killing machines is absurd.

I think we should ban cars because they're more dangerous than guns.

What's going to kill more people, a 5,000 lbs piece of steel and fiberglass moving at 30 mph, or a .22", 62 grain piece of metal flying at 900 m/s in a straight line?

[Torisakia]

Yes. They're just thinking of this now? Put the damn national guard in every school.

...Why? Most schools, contrary to popular belief, are not in danger of being shot up.

Which are the ones that get targeted the most. Sandy Hook Elementary School wasn't in danger of being shot up because they got a new security system. And look what happened.

[Choronzon]

Guys, why are we even talking about this shooting out in that place called Connecticut (wherever that is!)? Its not a big deal! Only 20 kids were gunned down while in school, and only a few of teachers! Why do we need to talk about guns? Why do we even care? You're all blowing it way out of proportion!

[Liriena]

A) Teachers are already the people with one of the most demanding jobs in the world. Already, teachers as a whole are stretched too thin and stressed out because of all their responsibilities (some of which are the product of schools cutting expenses and, thus, leaving more tasks in the hands of less people). Asking them now to also take care of the security of children by handling a firearm in a responsible manner in the face of, for instance, a mass murderer with automatic weapons, in the middle of the mayhem and panic of the moment is nothing short of irresponsible and abusive. Not to mention many teachers might be mentally unstable and, thus, they could be a direct liability to their students (and lets not even talk about the possibility of someone stealing the teacher's gun).

B) Related to point (A): You are putting more guns in a crowded area in the middle of a mass shooting, with dozens if not hundreds of panicking children in the crossfire. It most likely will lead to more casualties.

C) The United States has had countless of this sort of tragedies in the past two decades. Maybe it's time to take a new approach (one that requires more effort and expense): Give troubled students the necessary help and make any dangerous person getting guns as unlikely as possibly.

D) Now, moving on to the obvious gun control arguments: The whole argument that "if you take guns from 'good guys' you just leave all guns in the hands of the 'bad guys' who buy in the black market" is, put quite simply, irrelevant. The police, with enough effort and funding, could crack down on the black market and get rid of firearms in the hands of such individuals. And if you add in the reality that, countless times, guns used in violent crimes were legally purchased, it only makes the case for gun control even stronger, since it only follows, through simply logic, that less guns in the hands of the citizenship would obviously decrease gun crimes to some extent, whether large or small.

[Big Jim P]

there are 39 to 50 of housholds with guns in the US and this tiny event happens,

Tiny event?
Christ, I didn't think it was possible for me to have any less respect for you. Way to continue to surprise.

YES they are blowing it out of proportion

Tell that to the town that just saw 20 children gunned down.

get off your high horse and get real.

I am getting real. It is the gun lobby that needs to "get real." There is a correlation between number of guns in a region and the number of gun deaths. States with tighter gun laws tend to have lower rates of gun violence.These are facts. Statistics. Numbers. Ignoring them or suppressing them in favor of rhetoric and propaganda (the gun lobby's preferred method for dealing with arguments it finds inconvenient) doesn't make them go away.

Source please.

[Post War America]

There are so many holes in that plan that I ain't counting them all.