NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[North Calaveras]

No it's fluff for the Militia as stated in the 2nd amendment, not the standing army or the police force

This is 2012. Our armed forces are what the militia was 200 years ago. Except, we have these iron horses called 'tanks' and these weird flying contraptions called 'A-10s'.

To quote a famous American hero: "You mention the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets .We have these things called aircraft carriers and planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."

America's nature of defense has changed. The 2nd Amendment is elastic, and it can change with the times. But the idea of 'defending our glorious republic from the darkie muslim preziduhnt' doesn't hold water.

The idea that im trying to defend America from the president is downright horseshit as well as offensive as your making me out to be a ignorant redneck.

The constiution was written after the war when we had a colonial army.

[Romic]

I agree that we should have armed security in schools. Teachers only if they go under a psych test (The same test that is required by all law enforcement officers), Gun safety course, secure place in the classroom where students cannot get a hold of it. If we had armed security I would put an on duty cop. Two schools the next town over has two officers in the high school, and one in middle school (Both separate buildings). If they were to put non-police security I believe they need to be former Military but still undergo the psych test.

[Khodoristan]

They are telling you no such thing. They're telling(asking, really) you to lobby the government to do something about the gun violence in the US. They very much have the right to do that. First Amendment.

Them exercising their 1st Amendment rights is fine with me. It's them going on T.V. and trying to guilt trip people on an issue that these celebrities have no real knowledge over. Does Beyonce go out hunting? Does Gabrielle Union go sport shooting? No. They should stop trying to politicize this, and plead for better mental illness care, if anything.

[Obamacult]

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They are telling you no such thing. They're telling(asking, really) you to lobby the government to do something about the gun violence in the US. They very much have the right to do that. First Amendment.

The feigned angst of these elitist kiss asses is misdirected. If they really cared about kids, they would be screaming for the heads of the government officials responsible for making public schools soft targets by denying the teachers and adminstrators their 2nd Amendment rights while at the same time not providing a sufficient level of security for our most precious and vulnerable young citizens.

But no, these cynical self-serving elites like Beyonce and Cruise are simply playing to mental midgets that buy their product.

[Tmutarakhan]

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They are telling you no such thing. They're telling(asking, really) you to lobby the government to do something about the gun violence in the US. They very much have the right to do that. First Amendment.

The feigned angst of these elitist kiss asses is misdirected. If they really cared about kids, they would be screaming for the heads of the government officials responsible for making public schools soft targets by denying the teachers and adminstrators their 2nd Amendment rights while at the same time not providing a sufficient level of security for our most precious and vulnerable young citizens.

But no, these cynical self-serving elites like Beyonce and Cruise are simply playing to mental midgets that buy their product.

It is possible for people to really care about kids, and yet disagree with your political approach. Your inability to accept the notion that people sincerely disagree with you is a symptom of what is wrong with the Republican party today.

[Geilinor]

lol you should see Chris Mathews i can provide a link if you want

What's disgusting is blowing this way out of proportion to fuel the Democrats agenda which is immediately what they did.

How many times do I have to whip out statistics? I hate getting sources but this is just to easy.

Wait, did Chris Mathews pass some sort of law saying you can't have a gun? I didn't know he could do that now... Oh, you mean he said you shouldn't have guns? Yah, I see that's totally the same as preventing you form having a gun... Fine, I'll admit I could have worded it better, but you're talking like these celebrities are somehow stopping you from owning a weapon.

And how is this blown out of proportion for the Democratic agenda? How many gun control legislations have they put up for vote recently? What are they attempting to do, besides making it EASIER to carry a gun around, in more locations?

And WHO is making a mass push to get rid of all guns? I mean, even in this thread its a rarity. Most people are pushing for CONTROL. And somehow, a bunch of gunowners are translating that to "Dem librl smarties want mai guns!"

If the Democrats put gun control legislation up for vote, many wackos would call for revolution to "DEFEND OUR GUNS!!"

[Chateau Chevalier]

I agree that we should have armed security in schools. Teachers only if they go under a psych test (The same test that is required by all law enforcement officers), Gun safety course, secure place in the classroom where students cannot get a hold of it. If we had armed security I would put an on duty cop. Two schools the next town over has two officers in the high school, and one in middle school (Both separate buildings). If they were to put non-police security I believe they need to be former Military but still undergo the psych test.

Maybe that nice psychiatrist from Ft. Hood could administer the tests. The one currently on trail for shooting 42 people, 13 of whom died.
The best way to end gun violence is to make it extremely difficut to get a gun. Period.

[Galloism]

I agree that we should have armed security in schools. Teachers only if they go under a psych test (The same test that is required by all law enforcement officers), Gun safety course, secure place in the classroom where students cannot get a hold of it. If we had armed security I would put an on duty cop. Two schools the next town over has two officers in the high school, and one in middle school (Both separate buildings). If they were to put non-police security I believe they need to be former Military but still undergo the psych test.

Maybe that nice psychiatrist from Ft. Hood could administer the tests. The one currently on trail for shooting 42 people, 13 of whom died.
The best way to end gun violence is to make it extremely difficut to get a gun. Period.

Ok, and since we have a constitutional right to guns, how are you going to make it extremely difficult to get a gun without the courts striking it down?

Theories. I'm genuinely curious.

[Ifreann]

Well, cower and run. Gunmen can't kill you when you're not there, eh?

Well lets see, the average person runs at about 15mph.

Bullets travel at 100-3000mph, depending on the bullet and gun used.

"running away" is really not a viable option unless you have immediately accessible cover to cover your escape.

That's where the cowering comes in. Doing so behind something big and solid. And there's the greater difficulty of hitting a moving, shrinking target, that helps too.

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But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They are telling you no such thing. They're telling(asking, really) you to lobby the government to do something about the gun violence in the US. They very much have the right to do that. First Amendment.

The feigned angst of these elitist kiss asses is misdirected. If they really cared about kids, they would be screaming for the heads of the government officials responsible for making public schools soft targets by denying the teachers and adminstrators their 2nd Amendment rights while at the same time not providing a sufficient level of security for our most precious and vulnerable young citizens.

But no, these cynical self-serving elites like Beyonce and Cruise are simply playing to mental midgets that buy their product.

People can care about kids and not agree with you. Shocking, but true.

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They are telling you no such thing. They're telling(asking, really) you to lobby the government to do something about the gun violence in the US. They very much have the right to do that. First Amendment.

Them exercising their 1st Amendment rights is fine with me. It's them going on T.V. and trying to guilt trip people on an issue that these celebrities have no real knowledge over...

AKA, exercising their First Amendment rights.

[Romic]

I agree that we should have armed security in schools. Teachers only if they go under a psych test (The same test that is required by all law enforcement officers), Gun safety course, secure place in the classroom where students cannot get a hold of it. If we had armed security I would put an on duty cop. Two schools the next town over has two officers in the high school, and one in middle school (Both separate buildings). If they were to put non-police security I believe they need to be former Military but still undergo the psych test.

Maybe that nice psychiatrist from Ft. Hood could administer the tests. The one currently on trail for shooting 42 people, 13 of whom died.
The best way to end gun violence is to make it extremely difficut to get a gun. Period.

The main problem with that people can still get them. The shrink that's on trial had a break down, as we all do (not to that magnituted)

[Geilinor]

"Good guys" to fight "bad guys"? These NRA people are quite black and white.

[Galloism]

Well lets see, the average person runs at about 15mph.

Bullets travel at 100-3000mph, depending on the bullet and gun used.

"running away" is really not a viable option unless you have immediately accessible cover to cover your escape.

That's where the cowering comes in. Doing so behind something big and solid. And there's the greater difficulty of hitting a moving, shrinking target, that helps too.

And you do not see the virtue in taking cover behind something big and solid, and sending a projectile back at the shooter at 100-3000mph (just in case you have a concealed rifle, I put in the high figure. also for my amusement.)?

[Genivaria]

"Good guys" to fight "bad guys"? These NRA people are quite black and white.

Such a childish mentality.

[Borgyn]

This is incredibly disappointing, but not surprising. The NRA is in the gun industry's pocket, so, their obvious answer is "more guns = less crime." Because, you know, science?

[Occupied Deutschland]

"Good guys" to fight "bad guys"? These NRA people are quite black and white.

Generally, I'd think it was acceptable short-hand to classify people who go to schools with the intent of shooting every motherfucker there as "bad".

Guess I'm not as hip and in-with-the-kids as I used to be.

[Vortiaganica]

"Good guys" to fight "bad guys"? These NRA people are quite black and white.

Generally, I'd think it was acceptable short-hand to classify people who go to schools with the intent of shooting every motherfucker there as "bad".

Guess I'm not as hip and in-with-the-kids as I used to be.

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

[Kleomentia]

Generally, I'd think it was acceptable short-hand to classify people who go to schools with the intent of shooting every motherfucker there as "bad".

Guess I'm not as hip and in-with-the-kids as I used to be.

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

It is if the person want to protect innocent people.

[Galloism]

Generally, I'd think it was acceptable short-hand to classify people who go to schools with the intent of shooting every motherfucker there as "bad".

Guess I'm not as hip and in-with-the-kids as I used to be.

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

Bad guys and the other bad guys we call to shoot the first bad guys?

[Romic]

also it is a set test done on paper, not a shrink asking questions.

[Vortiaganica]

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

Bad guys and the other bad guys we call to shoot the first bad guys?

I may be biased against the American state somewhat. Also it's late in the night and I really shouldn't be discussing things right now.

I suppose what I meant was whether or not anyone else with a gun would fulfill the role of a good guy as a competent opposition to the bad guys - which is not what the NRA means by the statement, but is the apparent oversimplification they try to present.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Generally, I'd think it was acceptable short-hand to classify people who go to schools with the intent of shooting every motherfucker there as "bad".

Guess I'm not as hip and in-with-the-kids as I used to be.

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

Possession of a gun excludes one from being a 'good guy' now?
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Huh.

[Galloism]

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

Possession of a gun excludes one from being a 'good guy' now?
...
Huh.

Party at my place later.

Remember, the bad guys have the best parties.

[Communist Winnipeg]

The Second Amendment
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Why do Americans always ignore the first half of this amendment? To me it reads that you have the right to keep and bear arms as a member of the state militia. It doesn't state ownership of arms. Doesn't mention bullets, body armor. If you want to be part of the military, you should have and carry weapons.
I call BS on those who say this gives Americans the right to buy as many weapons as they think they need for private use.

[Vortiaganica]

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

Possession of a gun excludes one from being a 'good guy' now?
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Huh.

Said anyone, meant everyone. NRA attempting to present false dichotomy through the use of good guy/bad guy slogan as a simplification of their argument.

[Uiiop]

The problem is if it's acceptable to classify anyone else with a gun as a good guy.

Possession of a gun excludes one from being a 'good guy' now?
...
Huh.

i think it doesn't exclude from it just doesn't make just like a beard doesn't make a philosopher