NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[Vortiaganica]

From what I can tell, you're implying that one of the uses for firearms is to protect the people from their own government in the case that it becomes non-democratic.

Your potential tyrannical government has gunships and M1 Abrams.

Any legal firearm in the United States will not do jackshit.

Small arms are a good start, seriously I'm sick of this " guns don't do shit against tanks"

YOU DON'T SAY?

Small arms are a good start?

Did you want Patriot missiles available for open carry or would bouncing betties suffice?

[New Babylonia]

Call of Poopy? ArmA 2 FTW.

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They're not telling you that you can't have a gun... they're calling on public awareness to get the public to push to legislate against guns. BIG difference. The NRA loves to get people like Ted Nugent to talk about guns because hes a musician, but someone speaking against guns? Nah, they shouldn't talk outside their fields (Fox had a fun time with this when a sports personality recently spoke against the gun violence, and they commented how people listen to him about sports, not news).

I'm disgusted that people value their guns over other people's lives.

You understand, what is most likely the biggest reason for the 'stars' calling public awareness, is for extra attention, and therefore money. Don't act like it isn't. This world is fueled by greed. By money. Infact, the first thing they probably thought of when they saw it was "YES!!! Something for me to pretend i'm a good person and get more money!"

And The U.S., will NEVER mess with gun ownership, nothing major. The society is too militaristic as it is, and as a wise man once said "A good revolution every couple of hundred of years never hurt anyone." Been over 230 years since American revolution. We're overdo. Ak-47, anyone?

[Greed and Death]

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

From what I can tell, you're implying that one of the uses for firearms is to protect the people from their own government in the case that it becomes non-democratic.

Your potential tyrannical government has gunships and M1 Abrams.

Any legal firearm in the United States will not do jackshit.

Then you run and hide where the tank can not go.

when the guy in his tank gets out to come chase you, you shoot him and steal his tank.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Small arms are a good start, seriously I'm sick of this " guns don't do shit against tanks"

YOU DON'T SAY?

Small arms are a good start?

Did you want Patriot missiles available for open carry or would bouncing betties suffice?

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"Small arms" is a good phrase to know the meaning of.

[North Calaveras]

Small arms are a good start, seriously I'm sick of this " guns don't do shit against tanks"

YOU DON'T SAY?

Small arms are a good start?

Did you want Patriot missiles available for open carry or would bouncing betties suffice?

I don't think you can open carry a patriot missile

i can't even take your post serioously, your no better than when people use the strawman " Why don't we all carry nukes!"

[Galloism]

From what I can tell, you're implying that one of the uses for firearms is to protect the people from their own government in the case that it becomes non-democratic.

Your potential tyrannical government has gunships and M1 Abrams.

Any legal firearm in the United States will not do jackshit.

Then you run and hide where the tank can not go.

when the guy in his tank gets out to come chase you, you shoot him and steal his tank.

I'll be honest... I have no idea how to drive a tank.

Now, get me an F-22, and we're talking.

[Vortiaganica]

Small arms are a good start?

Did you want Patriot missiles available for open carry or would bouncing betties suffice?

...
"Small arms" is a good phrase to know the meaning of.

As I have suddenly realized. Although, the implication was that there was more after small arms.

By small arms, though, surely you're not implying the whole kit and caboodle?

[Ferkas]

My thoughts...

1.) Don't most schools already have a SRO (School Resource Officer, a member of the local or county police), or something of that sort? My school (poor, rural, no real issues with weapons on school property) had one, and all the schools in the surrounding area did too.

2.) Unless you are going to put these armed "good guys" at every point of entry, how effective are they going to be? If the intruder comes in from the other side of the building they pretty much have a free pass for however long it takes the guard to get over there.

3.) The NRA (and those who see this only as a gun control issue on both sides of the argument) are employing an overly simplistic argument. Armed "good guys" to fight "bad guys"? What is this, cops and robbers? Our society needs to realize something. By the time someone has acquired a weapon and decided that a shooting is the best course of action for them, society has failed that individual. We, as a society, should focus more on how we approach and handle issues of mental health and well being, to prevent something like this at its source.

[Enadail]

They're not telling you that you can't have a gun... they're calling on public awareness to get the public to push to legislate against guns. BIG difference. The NRA loves to get people like Ted Nugent to talk about guns because hes a musician, but someone speaking against guns? Nah, they shouldn't talk outside their fields (Fox had a fun time with this when a sports personality recently spoke against the gun violence, and they commented how people listen to him about sports, not news).

I'm disgusted that people value their guns over other people's lives.

lol you should see Chris Mathews i can provide a link if you want

What's disgusting is blowing this way out of proportion to fuel the Democrats agenda which is immediately what they did.

How many times do I have to whip out statistics? I hate getting sources but this is just to easy.

Wait, did Chris Mathews pass some sort of law saying you can't have a gun? I didn't know he could do that now... Oh, you mean he said you shouldn't have guns? Yah, I see that's totally the same as preventing you form having a gun... Fine, I'll admit I could have worded it better, but you're talking like these celebrities are somehow stopping you from owning a weapon.

And how is this blown out of proportion for the Democratic agenda? How many gun control legislations have they put up for vote recently? What are they attempting to do, besides making it EASIER to carry a gun around, in more locations?

And WHO is making a mass push to get rid of all guns? I mean, even in this thread its a rarity. Most people are pushing for CONTROL. And somehow, a bunch of gunowners are translating that to "Dem librl smarties want mai guns!"

[L Ron Cupboard]

To reiterate: The official NRA position isn't "Arm teachers! Arm Students! They'll blow the bad man away!" it's "Armed security in schools."

Which is honestly the only practical answer to school massacres like this that has a chance in hell of being even partially accomplished.

Because people would have criticized them heavily if they came out and pointed out that such events as these are incredibly rare.

So they want an armed citizenship to prevent government tyranny, and they want armed government agents in schools to kill armed citizens?

[Khodoristan]

Really? Where does the constitution say that?

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

You do realize that's fluff for maintaining a standing army and police force, right?

[New Babylonia]

From what I can tell, you're implying that one of the uses for firearms is to protect the people from their own government in the case that it becomes non-democratic.

Your potential tyrannical government has gunships and M1 Abrams.

Any legal firearm in the United States will not do jackshit.

Then you run and hide where the tank can not go.

when the guy in his tank gets out to come chase you, you shoot him and steal his tank.

Mhm. See. Perfect tactic. But really, think about it. If the nation the rebels, then the NATION rebels. The U.S. military, plus national guard, is, from memory, around 6-7 million. The potential number of rebels over throwing the government, somewhere around 312+ million. You have tanks, cool! I have 312 million people with assault rifles, homemade explosives, and the wanting need to murder your government! Good luck with that.

[North Calaveras]

lol you should see Chris Mathews i can provide a link if you want

What's disgusting is blowing this way out of proportion to fuel the Democrats agenda which is immediately what they did.

How many times do I have to whip out statistics? I hate getting sources but this is just to easy.

Wait, did Chris Mathews pass some sort of law saying you can't have a gun? I didn't know he could do that now... Oh, you mean he said you shouldn't have guns? Yah, I see that's totally the same as preventing you form having a gun... Fine, I'll admit I could have worded it better, but you're talking like these celebrities are somehow stopping you from owning a weapon.

And how is this blown out of proportion for the Democratic agenda? How many gun control legislations have they put up for vote recently? What are they attempting to do, besides making it EASIER to carry a gun around, in more locations?

And WHO is making a mass push to get rid of all guns? I mean, even in this thread its a rarity. Most people are pushing for CONTROL. And somehow, a bunch of gunowners are translating that to "Dem librl smarties want mai guns!"

whow wtf are you smoking? I never said any of that, Chris Mathews was in response to fox news. Control is just as bad and illogical. Your more likley to intentionally off yourself than be killed by a shooter.

classy, making gun-owners out to be rednecks who dont' have good grammar, nice...

[The Kingdom Of Griffins with Swords]

Kinda

[Vortiaganica]

Then you run and hide where the tank can not go.

when the guy in his tank gets out to come chase you, you shoot him and steal his tank.

Mhm. See. Perfect tactic. But really, think about it. If the nation the rebels, then the NATION rebels. The U.S. military, plus national guard, is, from memory, around 6-7 million. The potential number of rebels over throwing the government, somewhere around 312+ million. You have tanks, cool! I have 312 million people with assault rifles, homemade explosives, and the wanting need to murder your government! Good luck with that.

That 6-7 million also includes a standing airforce with air-carriers.

US government has the capability to run itself indefinitely without any ground assets, through contingency plans, using naval and aerial assets, to my knowledge.

Also, I 'think' your number includes children, the elderly, and the infirm.

[North Calaveras]

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

You do realize that's fluff for maintaining a standing army and police force, right?

No it's fluff for the Militia as stated in the 2nd amendment, not the standing army or the police force

[Galloism]

Then you run and hide where the tank can not go.

when the guy in his tank gets out to come chase you, you shoot him and steal his tank.

Mhm. See. Perfect tactic. But really, think about it. If the nation the rebels, then the NATION rebels. The U.S. military, plus national guard, is, from memory, around 6-7 million. The potential number of rebels over throwing the government, somewhere around 312+ million. You have tanks, cool! I have 312 million people with assault rifles, homemade explosives, and the wanting need to murder your government! Good luck with that.

Ok, all this revolution crap is absurd.

You guys need to watch waaaaay less TV.

If there was a real revolution, it's likely that some portion of the population would be on side A, some portion of the population would be on side B, some portion of the population wouldn't care, some portion of the military would be on side A, some portion of the military would be on side B.

In short, it would be army against army, and whoever controlled the refueling/repairing facilities and pipeline would undoubtedly win. The population is probably not going to be that amazingly fired important in comparison to the two portions of the military fighting each other.

[Ifreann]

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who assume that a mass of civilians armed with guns will remain calm in a shootout and possess the pinpoint accuracy of Call of Duty champions.

Yeah, that is a little... unrealistic. Actually, it's a lot unrealistic.

It never ceases to amaze me that people's plan for dealing with a crisis like an armed shooter trying to kill as many people as he can is to cower and take it until some other armed people arrive and take care of it.

Well, cower and run. Gunmen can't kill you when you're not there, eh?

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It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who assume that a mass of civilians armed with guns will remain calm in a shootout and possess the pinpoint accuracy of Call of Duty champions.

Call of Poopy? ArmA 2 FTW.

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They are telling you no such thing. They're telling(asking, really) you to lobby the government to do something about the gun violence in the US. They very much have the right to do that. First Amendment.

[Galloism]

Yeah, that is a little... unrealistic. Actually, it's a lot unrealistic.

It never ceases to amaze me that people's plan for dealing with a crisis like an armed shooter trying to kill as many people as he can is to cower and take it until some other armed people arrive and take care of it.

Well, cower and run. Gunmen can't kill you when you're not there, eh?

Well lets see, the average person runs at about 15mph.

Bullets travel at 100-3000mph, depending on the bullet and gun used.

"running away" is really not a viable option unless you have immediately accessible cover to cover your escape.

[Kleomentia]

I have a cop in my school who watches over. All he really does is jerk off on his mobile in the bathroom and chat on the phone while kids are getting in fights next to him.

[Khodoristan]

You do realize that's fluff for maintaining a standing army and police force, right?

No it's fluff for the Militia as stated in the 2nd amendment, not the standing army or the police force

This is 2012. Our armed forces are what the militia was 200 years ago. Except, we have these iron horses called 'tanks' and these weird flying contraptions called 'A-10s'.

To quote a famous American hero: "You mention the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets .We have these things called aircraft carriers and planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."

America's nature of defense has changed. The 2nd Amendment is elastic, and it can change with the times. But the idea of 'defending our glorious republic from the darkie muslim preziduhnt' doesn't hold water.

[Vortiaganica]

Well, cower and run. Gunmen can't kill you when you're not there, eh?

Well lets see, the average person runs at about 15mph.

Bullets travel at 100-3000mph, depending on the bullet and gun used.

You don't have to outrun the bullet, you just have to outrun as many people as the gunman has bullets.

Which, granted, isn't a particularly small number.

[Tagmatium]

Well lets see, the average person runs at about 15mph.

Bullets travel at 100-3000mph, depending on the bullet and gun used.

You don't have to outrun the bullet, you just have to outrun as many people as the gunman has bullets.

Which, granted, isn't a particularly small number.

What about if the bullet goes through multiple people?

[Galloism]

Well lets see, the average person runs at about 15mph.

Bullets travel at 100-3000mph, depending on the bullet and gun used.

You don't have to outrun the bullet, you just have to outrun as many people as the gunman has bullets.

Which, granted, isn't a particularly small number.

If I'm going to be going by odds, I think I'll just try to take him out instead. I feel better about those odds.

[Chateau Chevalier]

Since yesterday's attempt at a mass shooting was on a rural road in Pennsylvania, and the first victim was at a small chapel, can we assume the NRA would like to see armed guards at all small churches and chapels? Of course we can! The NRA is just the mouthpiece for death merchants and would like every American to own multiple guns. They will twist a tragedy to sell more guns. They want anarchy - it is good for their business.

I, like many here at NS do not live in the US, and I no longer travel there. We, non Americans, have to guard against the gun lust the US suffers from. Here in Canada, the federal Conservatives have been weakening the gun laws, while claiming to tighten them. Non Americans must be vigilant. We don't want your sad gun culture.